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US Base In Jordan Attacked

To get back on topic, US should definitely retaliate, and not just against the proxies. It's time to hit the IRGC directly.

Unfortunately, Biden is the king of pussyfooting. See his anodyne response against Houthis in Yemen.
 
Derec said:
To get back on topic, US should definitely retaliate, and not just against the proxies. It's time to hit the IRGC directly.

Unfortunately, Biden is the king of pussyfooting. See his anodyne response against Houthis in Yemen.
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Why are you such a warmonger?
 
ZiprHead said:
Why are you such a warmonger?
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Warmonger? No. It is the Tehran regime who are the warmongers, and should not be given a pass any longer.
Why do you think their aggression should remain unanswered? What do you think Biden should do? Send them even more cash?
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
Why are you such a warmonger?
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Warmonger? No. It is the Tehran regime who are the warmongers, and should not be given a pass any longer.
Why do you think their aggression should remain unanswered? What do you think Biden should do? Send them even more cash?
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Yes, Ziprhead thinks the US should cut a check to Iran for money that wasn't their's to begin with. And he thinks we should supply Iran with weapons too.

Yes, the US should respond, but people such as yourself talk big about reprisal, forgetting that the people we are reprising against... can strike back again. You know, escalating tit for tat. For a nice example of that, you could look up how WWI started. So responses need to be targeted, strategic, and impactful. Bombing Tehran isn't stopping anything at this point.
 
Some people are just scared of the world, and the idea of "doing something" about the other people that live in it is the only thing that relieves their anxiety. They wouldn't personally shoot a baby's head off, rape someone, take a tooth as a memento, or blow up a hospital. At the end if the day, most of them are cowards, not vigilantes. But exactly because they are cowards, they'll only vote for a politician who promises they would hit that button when the time comes. Such voters wouldn't have the stomach for the actual experience of war, but the thought of a world without war terrifies them. And of course, such people are found within every nation. So the cycle of violence continues with end, and without any real purpose.

It's pretty obvious why this bombing happened, isn't it? The IRGC is under no less pressure to look like they are "doing something" about the scary bad people next door. And now all of the various suborganizations of the IRGC will have to do likewise, to avoid being shown up by whatever group actually carried out this attack. It's a poor excuse to murder a man, but it's been the same stupid excuse since the rise of the city-state.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Yes, Ziprhead thinks the US should cut a check to Iran for money that wasn't their's to begin with. And he thinks we should supply Iran with weapons too.
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Well he certainly thinks it's "warmongering" to respond to an attack by the vassals of the Shiite Entity.
Yes, the US should respond, but people such as yourself talk big about reprisal, forgetting that the people we are reprising against... can strike back again.
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We have a bigger stick than Tehran does.
We cannot forego a strong response based on what they might to in response. That way lies paralysis. Even you admit that. "The US should respond". Indeed. But nothing.
You know, escalating tit for tat. For a nice example of that, you could look up how WWI started.
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Are you sure? I do not recall any "tit for tat" leading to WWI. Care to cite a source for that?
In any case, developments leading to WWII may be a better analogy. Hitler wasn't confronted militarily when he started escalating. First by reoccupying Rheinland and exceeding limits placed on its military by the Versailles treaty. Then by annexing Austria. Then by occupying first the Sudetenland and then the remainder of Czechoslovakia. Finally when he marched into Poland, Nazi Germany's war machine was so powerful that it took six years and tens of millions of dead to defeat it.
So responses need to be targeted, strategic, and impactful. Bombing Tehran isn't stopping anything at this point.
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I agree. The pinpricks Biden is doing in Yemen are not that - Houthi forces needed to be hit directly.
Same thing here. I am not advocating randomly bombing Tehran. But hitting IRGC bases and assets would be appropriate. Tehran may be willing to fight US and Israel to the last Iraqi and the last Palestinian, but not to the last Iranian.
 
Politesse said:
It's pretty obvious why this bombing happened, isn't it? The IRGC is under no less pressure to look like they are "doing something" about the scary bad people next door.
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So we should just let them continue to escalate all over the region with no consequences? Because to do something is, what, cowardly? What a crock of BS!
 
Our forces were put into potential harms way by being in that area. "Doing something" put those soldiers in harms way.
 
Derec said:
Politesse said:
It's pretty obvious why this bombing happened, isn't it? The IRGC is under no less pressure to look like they are "doing something" about the scary bad people next door.
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So we should just let them continue to escalate all over the region with no consequences? Because to do something is, what, cowardly? What a crock of BS!
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Big words from a guy who wouldn't have to join the fight.
 
Derec said:
Politesse said:
It's pretty obvious why this bombing happened, isn't it? The IRGC is under no less pressure to look like they are "doing something" about the scary bad people next door.
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So we should just let them continue to escalate all over the region with no consequences? Because to do something is, what, cowardly? What a crock of BS!
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We are mutually escalating the conflict, and have been doing so without a break for many decades now. Further escalation is not going to bring peace. While some sort of retaliation is no doubt politically necessary, were I in Biden's position, I would authorize as much force as minimally necessary to "defend our honor" in the eyes of the idiot public and not a wooden bullet more. Those who think like children but play with guns deserve no respect at all.
 
Politesse said:
We are mutually escalating the conflict, and have been doing so without a break for many decades now.
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Facile false equivalence between US and Iran.
Further escalation is not going to bring peace.
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If it eventually leads to the fall of the illegitimate ayatollah regime, it might.
While some sort of retaliation is no doubt politically necessary, were I in Biden's position, I would authorize as much force as minimally necessary to "defend our honor" in the eyes of the idiot public and not a wooden bullet more.
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That's exactly the wrong approach. Military force should not be used lightly, but when it is used it should be serious, not window dressing. Not that Biden is not already doing this nonsense. See him minimal response against the Houthis.
Those who think like children but play with guns deserve no respect at all.
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Funny. I was thinking the same of your position.
 
Derec said:
If it eventually leads to the fall of the illegitimate ayatollah regime, it might.
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It obviously won't. You try the same stupid thing over and over for 71 years, and you think a few more years of aggression will somehow finally do the trick?

And even if your wet dream happened exactly as you suppose, with the Armies of Good triumphantly marching through the ruined city onto the smoldering pile of steel that was once the IranMall, with Ayatollah Khomeini's head risen aloft a silver pike of exceeding girth,.... you would only have created a new martyr for the next angry "Middle Eastern" state.

And the cycle begins again.
 
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