Wgat did Jesus look like?

[Rhea]

Why do atheists fake interest in what some bible character may have looked like?

Because we hear incessantly from Christians that he is supposed to be A, B, C and here’s his picture, and we’re all, “wot!? You jus contradicted yourself, dude!” And they’re all, “did not, he’s totally like my picture.” And we’re all, “yeah real human being people believe weird shit, check this out.”

Honestly, if there weren’t so many of you trying to inject your weird beliefs on us all the time, we wouldn’t talk about it at all.

Because atheists never opine on "what the Bible says" in rather ideologically biased ways, then accuse Christians of inconsistency when they disagree...

You do realize that we are bombarded with Christians telling us what the bible "means" and then a different Christian with a completely different "what the bible means," all the damn time? And you do realize that most of us have read it, right? And are hit hard by them making it into law and forcing us to cleave to their stupid religion?

Of course we opine on what the bible says, when people are trying to shove it up our vaginas. And every single Christian is inconsistent to their holy book. Every one. Which demonstrates a lot of interesting things.

 

[Politesse]

Because atheists never opine on "what the Bible says" in rather ideologically biased ways, then accuse Christians of inconsistency when they disagree...

You do realize that we are bombarded with Christians telling us what the bible "means" and then a different Christian with a completely different "what the bible means," all the damn time? And you do realize that most of us have read it, right? And are hit hard by them making it into law and forcing us to cleave to their stupid religion?

Of course we opine on what the bible says, when people are trying to shove it up our vaginas. And every single Christian is inconsistent to their holy book. Every one. Which demonstrates a lot of interesting things.

Indeed. But you seem to enjoy playing the same game, and in a rather similar fashion, at least from the perspective of someone like myself who does not belong to either camp.

How are your arm-wavey "Christians why do you believe so and so" threads any different from a Baptist logging on to a Catholic website and demanding to know why they worship statues? It is a very similar mindset, it seems to me.

 

[Minnemooseus]

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I do not care what his skin colour was.
Jesus' skin colour or looks are irrelevant to his task.

 

[Iznomneak]

Take your pick:

Jesus Image Gallery
What did Jesus look like?
A gallery of images of Jesus, arranged in chronological order from the most ancient to the most recent.

http://www.religionfacts.com/jesus/gallery

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

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Although Jesus' body isn't depicted, the average Semite man of that time was 5-foot-1 and about 110 pounds, so Jesus was probably a lot shorter than you'd imagine, too.

Gospel Jesus was barely five feet tall and weighed 110 pounds. Certainly not the classical image of the godman we've been hearing about.

 

[Elixir]

Is MbS Jesus (only happier)?

 

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I do not care what his skin colour was.
Jesus' skin colour or looks are irrelevant to his task.

Tell that to the white Christian anti-Semites. Until post WWII Jews and Jewish features were hated in the USA.

Looks irrelevant to task? The white European image of Jesus is central to western Christianity. It wasn't until I took college philosophy of religion I learned St Augustine was North African. Christianity advanced in Africa before Europe.

As to task, in the gospels JC was preaching doom to Israel under Rome, and was reinforcing Mosaic Law. He did not push it out into the gentiles, that was Paul.

 

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I do not care what his skin colour was.
Jesus' skin colour or looks are irrelevant to his task.

Tell that to the white Christian anti-Semites. Until post WWII Jews and Jewish features were hated in the USA.

That tells me something about those white Christian anti-Semite. But again has nothing to do with Jesus'' looks or skin colour.

Looks irrelevant to task? The white European image of Jesus is central to western Christianity. It wasn't until I took college philosophy of religion I learned St Augustine was North African. Christianity advanced in Africa before Europe.

St Augustine being north african merely reinforces that Christianity is not bound by colours, looks, geography etc. It's founder's description was never noted for the very reason that there could be no supposed superiority based upon skin colour, height, looks etc.

 

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I do not care what his skin colour was.
Jesus' skin colour or looks are irrelevant to his task.

Do you care that various peoples create a Jesus image that does things other than his own look? I mean, I guess not, they even created a new name for him because his own name didn't allow them to OTHER the Jews and Semites so successfully.

It's so interesting that this is accepted. Don't like the Jesus you were given and everything he stands for? Meh, create your own, plus idols and images to worship.

S'all good.

 

[Rhea]

Because atheists never opine on "what the Bible says" in rather ideologically biased ways, then accuse Christians of inconsistency when they disagree...

You do realize that we are bombarded with Christians telling us what the bible "means" and then a different Christian with a completely different "what the bible means," all the damn time? And you do realize that most of us have read it, right? And are hit hard by them making it into law and forcing us to cleave to their stupid religion?

Of course we opine on what the bible says, when people are trying to shove it up our vaginas. And every single Christian is inconsistent to their holy book. Every one. Which demonstrates a lot of interesting things.

Indeed. But you seem to enjoy playing the same game, and in a rather similar fashion, at least from the perspective of someone like myself who does not belong to either camp.

How are your arm-wavey "Christians why do you believe so and so" threads any different from a Baptist logging on to a Catholic website and demanding to know why they worship statues? It is a very similar mindset, it seems to me.

Oh, you're just talking about discussion groups?
I don't think any of us would care if it was just discussion groups.

I thought you were talking about the EVERY DAY assault on the civil rights of non-believers that Christians perpetrate. Which is a problem and deserves an opinion.

And without which, you wouldn't find atheists giving two shits about their beliefs, even the ones with only one foot in their "spiritual" camp. Seriously, how meany threads on voodoo do I start? I don't have any curiosity sparked by them other than maybe looking something up from time to time, because they don't assault my civil rights DAILY, leaving me with a constant reminder that they are thinking and acting on something that makes no sense.

Similarly, I'm about to start a thread somewhere about Borderline Personality Disorder because I find myself affected by it and I have no idea HOW they THINK, and thence no idea how to interact with such a brain.

That's how it works.

 

[Rhea]

Tell that to the white Christian anti-Semites. Until post WWII Jews and Jewish features were hated in the USA.

That tells me something about those white Christian anti-Semite. But again has nothing to do with Jesus'' looks or skin colour.

Well it does, actually. Is says that Yeshua's looks and skin color get in the way of his message - he can't overcome prejudice. Christians can "love Jesus" while simultaneous hating him, and loving the gospels doesn't correct that.

Looks irrelevant to task? The white European image of Jesus is central to western Christianity. It wasn't until I took college philosophy of religion I learned St Augustine was North African. Christianity advanced in Africa before Europe.

St Augustine being north african merely reinforces that Christianity is not bound by colours, looks, geography etc. It's founder's description was never noted for the very reason that there could be no supposed superiority based upon skin colour, height, looks etc.

No, it doesn't really, since the Christians successfully hide it. Did you know?

Looks like you edited while I was replying? ... (either that or I was thinking one thing and typing another)

At any rate, no the fact that they hid it was not to show equality. They hid books written by women, too.

 

[Politesse]

Indeed. But you seem to enjoy playing the same game, and in a rather similar fashion, at least from the perspective of someone like myself who does not belong to either camp.

How are your arm-wavey "Christians why do you believe so and so" threads any different from a Baptist logging on to a Catholic website and demanding to know why they worship statues? It is a very similar mindset, it seems to me.

Oh, you're just talking about discussion groups?
I don't think any of us would care if it was just discussion groups.

I thought you were talking about the EVERY DAY assault on the civil rights of non-believers that Christians perpetrate. Which is a problem and deserves an opinion.

And without which, you wouldn't find atheists giving two shits about their beliefs, even the ones with only one foot in their "spiritual" camp. Seriously, how meany threads on voodoo do I start? I don't have any curiosity sparked by them other than maybe looking something up from time to time, because they don't assault my civil rights DAILY, leaving me with a constant reminder that they are thinking and acting on something that makes no sense.

Similarly, I'm about to start a thread somewhere about Borderline Personality Disorder because I find myself affected by it and I have no idea HOW they THINK, and thence no idea how to interact with such a brain.

That's how it works.

Well, I certainly do not approve of persecution of religious minorities, and I hope this is well understood. I've taken part in several Vodou fets, as it happens, and they seem perfectly nice.

But I also think that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[Rhea]

Well, I certainly do not approve of persecution of religious minorities, and I hope this is well understood.

Great. I assume you constantly lobby your representatives to take religious purpose out of laws, to stop the idea of "swearing on a bible," in courts, to take god off money and out of the pledge, to repeal laws that allow religious excuse to deny rights to others, to repeal the global gag rule and all non-scientific anti-abortion laws, to oppose the religious teaching of creationism in schools, to take ten commandments off of public buildings and off of courtroom walls, to remove the tax exempt status of churches for any portion not directly acting as a public service without preaching, and to immediately repeal all anti-gay laws.

 

[Opoponax]

Well, I certainly do not approve of persecution of religious minorities, and I hope this is well understood.

Great. I assume you constantly lobby your representatives to take religious purpose out of laws, to stop the idea of "swearing on a bible," in courts, to take god off money and out of the pledge, to repeal laws that allow religious excuse to deny rights to others, to repeal the global gag rule and all non-scientific anti-abortion laws, to oppose the religious teaching of creationism in schools, to take ten commandments off of public buildings and off of courtroom walls, to remove the tax exempt status of churches for any portion not directly acting as a public service without preaching, and to immediately repeal all anti-gay laws.

Right.

I do ask myself sometimes e.g. why the hell should I care what Jesus looked like, or what anyone believes in. Because I truly don't give a damn what someone else believes.

Nobody gives a shit about benign beliefs. This matters because American Christians are not benign. There is no other group in the nation so bent on diminishing the rights of others as American Christians. Marriage equality, abortion, religious tests for holding public office, superiority of rights in their religion with respect to teaching the Bible in public schools (but of course, the Koran can't be taught), etc.

There is no other group/affiliated groups of people in the U.S. who work so tirelessly to establish not only greater rights for themselves, but also to diminish the rights of others. Thus, having to constantly revisit seemingly irrelevant subjects like the one discussed in the OP becomes necessary. It's a constant battle because the religious right is constantly battling.

 

[steve_bank]

Tell that to the white Christian anti-Semites. Until post WWII Jews and Jewish features were hated in the USA.

That tells me something about those white Christian anti-Semite. But again has nothing to do with Jesus'' looks or skin colour.

Looks irrelevant to task? The white European image of Jesus is central to western Christianity. It wasn't until I took college philosophy of religion I learned St Augustine was North African. Christianity advanced in Africa before Europe.

St Augustine being north african merely reinforces that Christianity is not bound by colours, looks, geography etc. It's founder's description was never noted for the very reason that there could be no supposed superiority based upon skin colour, height, looks etc.

Have you formally studied Christian apologetics?

In the late 1st and 2nd century Christians were quite violent over differences. The Christian anti-Semitism starts when what was a heretic Jewish sect went over to Gentiles who claimed the bible for themselves and rejected Jews. Jesus was a Jew steeped in the prophets preaching to Jews. What was handed down to today was properly called Pauulism. He dispensed with Jewish requirements. Jesus in the gospels never renounced any aspect of Judaism.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Well, I certainly do not approve of persecution of religious minorities, and I hope this is well understood.

Great. I assume you constantly lobby your representatives to take religious purpose out of laws, to stop the idea of "swearing on a bible," in courts, to take god off money and out of the pledge, to repeal laws that allow religious excuse to deny rights to others, to repeal the global gag rule and all non-scientific anti-abortion laws, to oppose the religious teaching of creationism in schools, to take ten commandments off of public buildings and off of courtroom walls, to remove the tax exempt status of churches for any portion not directly acting as a public service without preaching, and to immediately repeal all anti-gay laws.

Right.

I do ask myself sometimes e.g. why the hell should I care what Jesus looked like, or what anyone believes in. Because I truly don't give a damn what someone else believes.

Nobody gives a shit about benign beliefs. This matters because American Christians are not benign. There is no other group in the nation so bent on diminishing the rights of others as American Christians. Marriage equality, abortion, religious tests for holding public office, superiority of rights in their religion with respect to teaching the Bible in public schools (but of course, the Koran can't be taught), etc.

There is no other group/affiliated groups of people in the U.S. who work so tirelessly to establish not only greater rights for themselves, but also to diminish the rights of others. Thus, having to constantly revisit seemingly irrelevant subjects like the one discussed in the OP becomes necessary. It's a constant battle because the religious right is constantly battling.

This is true. Benign beliefs are not like, "my wife is the most beautiful woman, red hair and blue eyes, so women with red hair and blue eyes enjoy special privilege in our society while brown eyes and brown hair do not. Blue is a special color and 17 is a special number. Do we really need to visit aryan supremacism?

It is a constant battle in the U.S. to keep the christian supremacists from having their way.

 

[bigfield]

Atheism is not an ideology philosophy, morality, or creed. It is a rejection of all things supernatural related to religion and as a specific rejection of all supernatural and most historical claims of the bible. The flood, parting the waters, walking on water...

Interesting. Usually I am told that it is "merely a lack of belief in god."

Yes. Steve is wrong. Atheism is "merely a lack of belief in god."

A "rejection of all things supernatural" is naturalism, and it is a philosophy.

 

[steve_bank]

Atheism is not an ideology philosophy, morality, or creed. It is a rejection of all things supernatural related to religion and as a specific rejection of all supernatural and most historical claims of the bible. The flood, parting the waters, walking on water...

Interesting. Usually I am told that it is "merely a lack of belief in god."

Yes. Steve is wrong. Atheism is "merely a lack of belief in god."

A "rejection of all things supernatural" is naturalism, and it is a philosophy.

ok. My error. One can be an atheist and believe in magic and levitation....which is my usual response.

 

[bigfield]

ok. My error. One can be an atheist and believe in magic and levitation....

That's correct. One can be an atheist and believe in psychics, UFOs, ghosts, and other paranormal activity--none of those things entail theism.

Many atheists are naturalists (in the metaphysical sense) but not all of them are.