J842P
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Um, that's not true. They technically do have rights.
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What do you want to do with the little people?
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Um, that's not true. They technically do have rights.
bilby
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Not only did they come illegibly, their English skills aren't up to scratch either.
steve_bank
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I see it here in Seattle up close and personal. Unless you have to deal with it you can sit back in comfort and moralize and intellectualizedas you please.
They do not have the rights of citizens. There are some progressives who want to grant any and all ilegal immigraaaaants.,
I watched a eattle school board meeting on a govt channe;. A black African womn who could barely speak English was outraged that her kid who does not speak English was falling behind in school, and what was going to be dome about other. There were several others with similar complaints.
The primary ducation system as we have it began in the early 20th century as in part a systm to facilitate immigrant assimilation. IOW rading and writing English.
The education system can not possibly coope with an uncontrolled steam of immigrants without English, education, and skills.
The progressive mantra is that we railways had immigration. That was in a different era.
Our immigration policy or lack of it is creating a permanent 'little people' underclass with little hope of breaking out.
On the flip side there are legal immigrant success stories. Search on Chobani yougurt. A mid east immigrant bought out a yougurt company and turned it into a success. Makes a point of hiring immigrants.
Sp,e may rember Wang Laboratories.
In the 90os I spent time at a large m
Legal immigration is good, always has been in context of the times. Uncontrolled illegal immigration is bad.
I spent time at a large contract m manufacturing company started by immigrants from Taiwan. It was a clearing house for legal immigrants. It is a long list. A smaller vision was stared in Seattle by Vietnamese immigrants.
I can go places in Settle where there are Latino families living on the street in tents. Neat, clean, and orderly but on th streets.
In 51 wgen I was born an Italian or other immigrant who arrived did not need a lot of English to work contruction or manufacturing. Those days are gone.
I spent some time in the 90s in the Silver Valley in Idaho. Silver mines. I talked with an old retired miner. He talked about where the different immigrant groups lived in the valley and how they could not communicate with each other. They did not have to. Hard rock mining was not rocket science..
They do not have the rights of citizens. There are some progressives who want to grant any and all ilegal immigraaaaants.,
I watched a eattle school board meeting on a govt channe;. A black African womn who could barely speak English was outraged that her kid who does not speak English was falling behind in school, and what was going to be dome about other. There were several others with similar complaints.
The primary ducation system as we have it began in the early 20th century as in part a systm to facilitate immigrant assimilation. IOW rading and writing English.
The education system can not possibly coope with an uncontrolled steam of immigrants without English, education, and skills.
The progressive mantra is that we railways had immigration. That was in a different era.
Our immigration policy or lack of it is creating a permanent 'little people' underclass with little hope of breaking out.
On the flip side there are legal immigrant success stories. Search on Chobani yougurt. A mid east immigrant bought out a yougurt company and turned it into a success. Makes a point of hiring immigrants.
Sp,e may rember Wang Laboratories.
In the 90os I spent time at a large m
Legal immigration is good, always has been in context of the times. Uncontrolled illegal immigration is bad.
I spent time at a large contract m manufacturing company started by immigrants from Taiwan. It was a clearing house for legal immigrants. It is a long list. A smaller vision was stared in Seattle by Vietnamese immigrants.
I can go places in Settle where there are Latino families living on the street in tents. Neat, clean, and orderly but on th streets.
In 51 wgen I was born an Italian or other immigrant who arrived did not need a lot of English to work contruction or manufacturing. Those days are gone.
I spent some time in the 90s in the Silver Valley in Idaho. Silver mines. I talked with an old retired miner. He talked about where the different immigrant groups lived in the valley and how they could not communicate with each other. They did not have to. Hard rock mining was not rocket science..
J842P
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Steve, respectfully, I was correcting your *flat out wrong* assertion that illegal immigrants "technically have no rights". They do not enjoy the privileges of citizenship, or other legal statuses (e.g. permanent resident), but that does not mean they "technically have no rights". This is America. You have many rights by virtue of being a human being in our jurisdiction.
Worldtraveller
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Yeah, but apparently, we now see what a lot of people want to do with the 'little people'. I mean, if they have no rights, just feed them to the fucking sharks, right?
Worldtraveller
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The irony of all the typos and misspellings in the above post is.. *chef's kiss*
Swammerdami
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So why don't you just go back to Denmark, Sweden, Germany, France, Canada or whatever communist hell-hole you come from; and let real American men make the brave decisions we need, like which cultural/ethnic/gender groups are getting too uppity? JWNRU.
I wish the people who want the little people to just starve out of sight would have the honesty to just say that.
To say, “I don’t want to give them food, I don’t want them to have jobs, I don’t want them in my schools. I want to be one of the remote elite who does not have to see that.” “Let them eat cake.”
But it’s interesting to have the discussion where they say all the reasons that leave an implication that they don’t want to know what happenes to them, they give all kinds of reasons why one should not have to be responsible for what happens to them, how their plight is their own fault, how their (poor people’s) presence is taking away some of their (person answering’s) comfort, but they somehow realize how awful it feels to be honest and answer the question, “what do you want to do with them?” With what they REALLY want to DO with them. And that is, not see, not care, and if it’s starvation, it is not their problem.
Let me be clear - what is interesting here is not that they say they don’t care, it’s that they don’t say that - they only imply it. But they work really really hard to make sure the implication is clear. It is that they very much want to be in the conversation to talk about why it’s not monstrous to not care, but they have that twinge of realization that it’s really bad to say so.
Very interesting.
Steve in answer to the question “what do you want to do with the little people,”. What’s you honest answer? I stipulate all of your points about how underserving they are. Now what do you want to do with all those starving undeserving people? So far you’ve not expressed any desire to keep them from dying, so is that your answer? Let them die, kids and all?
To say, “I don’t want to give them food, I don’t want them to have jobs, I don’t want them in my schools. I want to be one of the remote elite who does not have to see that.” “Let them eat cake.”
But it’s interesting to have the discussion where they say all the reasons that leave an implication that they don’t want to know what happenes to them, they give all kinds of reasons why one should not have to be responsible for what happens to them, how their plight is their own fault, how their (poor people’s) presence is taking away some of their (person answering’s) comfort, but they somehow realize how awful it feels to be honest and answer the question, “what do you want to do with them?” With what they REALLY want to DO with them. And that is, not see, not care, and if it’s starvation, it is not their problem.
Let me be clear - what is interesting here is not that they say they don’t care, it’s that they don’t say that - they only imply it. But they work really really hard to make sure the implication is clear. It is that they very much want to be in the conversation to talk about why it’s not monstrous to not care, but they have that twinge of realization that it’s really bad to say so.
Very interesting.
Steve in answer to the question “what do you want to do with the little people,”. What’s you honest answer? I stipulate all of your points about how underserving they are. Now what do you want to do with all those starving undeserving people? So far you’ve not expressed any desire to keep them from dying, so is that your answer? Let them die, kids and all?
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Thank you for pointing out this obvious fact that is so often forgotten.
Angra Mainyu
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Do you have anyone in mind?
As far as I can tell, I haven't seen anyone on this thread that seems to resemble that distinction.
Really.
Steve Bank is one. RVonse is one. Loren skirts close to it.
I have no idea what they really think, but this is the way they are answering this thread, so it seems to be their own opinion.
ANyway, thats my observation.
Angra Mainyu
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Do you have any posts in mind? Any posts where it looks like they feel something like "I wish the people who want the little people to just starve out of sight" ? (I'm asking because if you give me specifics, I can try to see where you're getting that from).
steve_bank
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'Little People' is part of the free market system and alwys has been.
In the 19thj and early 20th centuries there was room for expansion west. There was no social support systems. If you failed, got sick, or injured you died. As areas developed in the west local economies grew in proportion to population .
Land was given away.
Today people stuck at the bottom, like illegal immigrants, have absolute no where to go but cities.
My view we are beginning to the limits of our wide open free market system evidenced by the extreme wealth imbalance.
The conservative idea is that the free market system will always provide high employment at good wages. It was true when the labor market was limited to white males.
The idea that the system as it is now is going to support living wages for each and every man and woman regardless of background is a fantasy.
The question as I see it ls if we change in a controlled manner or do we fail catastrophically.
The disruption to the system by COVID and the BLM demonstrations/riots are just the beginning.
It is not just at the bottom. The OWS movement was essentially 'I got my college degree, where are the freaking jobs?'
I do not want to starve them out. We should provide survival to all our citizens, I just feel the able-bodied shouldn't be handed more than the minimum.
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Which is how much? What do you think is the minimum?
DBT
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No limits or barriers set for building tremendous wealth and power through exploitation, where an individual may accumulate greater wealth than some nation states.....yet heaven forbid that we help people who get left behind, those, who for any number of reasons, are excluded.
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“able-bodied”.
Connotes a dumb animal approach. Think beyond if just the body is fit for labor.
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steve_bank
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W have speed limits and DUI laws for the common good.
Conservatives support unrestricted profit by any means deemed legal even when it is destructive in the long run.
ASeattle Seahawks free agent just signed a two year deal wirh another tem for around 20 million dollars.
Those focused on the wealth disparity pick on corporations but ignore areas like sports and entertainment.
Tacoma is moving to end single family home zoning. The intent s induce more affordable multiple family buildings across tye city. As conditions worsen for growing numbers of people at some point it is pitchfork's in the street.
When I was growing up a family held a home fpr life. It was their retirement fund when they sold. That gave way to flipping.Buy a house and when e market spikes seel and buy smething else.
Unrestricted real estate speculation.
Despite the economy home prices in Seattle are going up.
Conservatives support unrestricted profit by any means deemed legal even when it is destructive in the long run.
ASeattle Seahawks free agent just signed a two year deal wirh another tem for around 20 million dollars.
Those focused on the wealth disparity pick on corporations but ignore areas like sports and entertainment.
Tacoma is moving to end single family home zoning. The intent s induce more affordable multiple family buildings across tye city. As conditions worsen for growing numbers of people at some point it is pitchfork's in the street.
When I was growing up a family held a home fpr life. It was their retirement fund when they sold. That gave way to flipping.Buy a house and when e market spikes seel and buy smething else.
Unrestricted real estate speculation.
Despite the economy home prices in Seattle are going up.