What liberals (still) get wrong about Trump's support

[untermensche]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

 

[Harry Bosch]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Let's assume that a "democratic structure" similar to what you like arises in a country. Let's further assume that at first everyone is happy. How would the "democratic structure" stop a group of people who wanted to start a traditional capitalistic company?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The devastation to Venezuela's economy was from the nationalization--socialism.

The nationalization happened long before the collapse.

The collapse did not begin until after Chavez was dead.

His policies did not cause it.

Only to the blind. We saw the collapse happening in the Chavez era. It's just it's a slow process, it was only now that it became impossible to keep pretending.

 

[untermensche]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Let's assume that a "democratic structure" similar to what you like arises in a country. Let's further assume that at first everyone is happy. How would the "democratic structure" stop a group of people who wanted to start a traditional capitalistic company?

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

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The devastation to Venezuela's economy was from the nationalization--socialism.

The nationalization happened long before the collapse.

The collapse did not begin until after Chavez was dead.

His policies did not cause it.

Only to the blind. We saw the collapse happening in the Chavez era. It's just it's a slow process, it was only now that it became impossible to keep pretending.

Show me some evidence.

You're full of shit.

You saw nothing. You merely defend every immorality that exists.

 

[Harry Bosch]

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

Well, it's going to take some time in order "indoctrinate" everyone. How do you keep everyone in line while this occurs? By the way, I think that it would be so boring if everyone believed the same. I'm glad to live in a country where a person can believe in capitalism, socialism or anarchism; or whatever.

 

[untermensche]

I'm not going to do anything except help people break free from the sick indoctrination that makes them more dog than human

You have been so thoroughly indoctrinated you call a system of dictatorships freedom.

But human advancement is not easy.

Sick twisted dictatorial monarchies lasted for centuries.

Supported by people like you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

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The devastation to Venezuela's economy was from the nationalization--socialism.

The nationalization happened long before the collapse.

The collapse did not begin until after Chavez was dead.

His policies did not cause it.

Only to the blind. We saw the collapse happening in the Chavez era. It's just it's a slow process, it was only now that it became impossible to keep pretending.

Show me some evidence.

You're full of shit.

You saw nothing. You merely defend every immorality that exists.

We told you what was happening at the time and you denied it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm not going to do anything except help people break free from the sick indoctrination that makes them more dog than human

You have been so thoroughly indoctrinated you call a system of dictatorships freedom.

But human advancement is not easy.

Sick twisted dictatorial monarchies lasted for centuries.

Supported by people like you.

You're trying to impose a dictatorship of the majority. There's a reason we don't use direct democracy! It causes wild swings based on the popular opinion of the moment.

 

[untermensche]

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

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The nationalization happened long before the collapse.

The collapse did not begin until after Chavez was dead.

His policies did not cause it.

Only to the blind. We saw the collapse happening in the Chavez era. It's just it's a slow process, it was only now that it became impossible to keep pretending.

Show me some evidence.

You're full of shit.

You saw nothing. You merely defend every immorality that exists.

We told you what was happening at the time and you denied it.

No. You were chicken little's crying the sky was falling everyday.

He was in power for 11 years and you cried the world would end day 1.

Chavez came and went and no collapse.

You were all wrong.

 

[untermensche]

I'm not going to do anything except help people break free from the sick indoctrination that makes them more dog than human

You have been so thoroughly indoctrinated you call a system of dictatorships freedom.

But human advancement is not easy.

Sick twisted dictatorial monarchies lasted for centuries.

Supported by people like you.

You're trying to impose a dictatorship of the majority. There's a reason we don't use direct democracy! It causes wild swings based on the popular opinion of the moment.

Every vote taken has a different majority.

There is no single majority to be a dictator.

Majority is only known after the election.

It cannot dictate anything.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Only if they vote the way you tell them to, otherwise you're more than ready to override the will of the majority.

 

[untermensche]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Only if they vote the way you tell them to, otherwise you're more than ready to override the will of the majority.

What way do I want them to vote?

Once people are free of sick dictators they will not vote to bring them back.

 

[Harry Bosch]

All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Only if they vote the way you tell them to, otherwise you're more than ready to override the will of the majority.

What way do I want them to vote?

Once people are free of sick dictators they will not vote to bring them back.

This is just fantasy. Despite overwhelming evidence, we can't get a sizable majority to agree that global warming is a threat. Again, you want a county that will only allow one type of company. All others would be outlawed. Not very democratic to me.

 

[untermensche]

What way do I want them to vote?

Once people are free of sick dictators they will not vote to bring them back.

This is just fantasy. Despite overwhelming evidence, we can't get a sizable majority to agree that global warming is a threat. Again, you want a county that will only allow one type of company. All others would be outlawed. Not very democratic to me.

We are not trying to get any kind of majority on anything.

The system in not democratic.

No matter is put to a national vote except the president.

And in that the last winner was Clinton. But a whole lot of people said the process is a joke and didn't participate.

The system is not democratic.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

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Only to the blind. We saw the collapse happening in the Chavez era. It's just it's a slow process, it was only now that it became impossible to keep pretending.

Show me some evidence.

You're full of shit.

You saw nothing. You merely defend every immorality that exists.

We told you what was happening at the time and you denied it.

No. You were chicken little's crying the sky was falling everyday.

He was in power for 11 years and you cried the world would end day 1.

Chavez came and went and no collapse.

You were all wrong.

We cried the sky is falling because it was. You just stuck your head in the sand until it actually hit.

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All this nonsense is just a defense of the sick capitalist dictatorships all around us. Dictatorships destroying the planet.

I advocate replacing them with democratic structures.

Only if they vote the way you tell them to, otherwise you're more than ready to override the will of the majority.

What way do I want them to vote?

Once people are free of sick dictators they will not vote to bring them back.

You've already said that a vote that doesn't agree with you isn't a fair vote.

 

[Emily Lake]

As opposed to being in a top down rigid hierarchy.

I was in one. It was called the Marine Corps.

This really surprises me. You're about as un-marine as I think it's possible to get. I mean, you're pretty much an "anti-marine" so far as I can tell.

 

[untermensche]

A person won't willfully submit to a dictatorship unless they have been carefully indoctrinated to accept one.

Minus the indoctrination nobody would even consider having an immoral dictatorship.

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Show me some evidence.

You're full of shit.

You saw nothing. You merely defend every immorality that exists.

We told you what was happening at the time and you denied it.

No. You were chicken little's crying the sky was falling everyday.

He was in power for 11 years and you cried the world would end day 1.

Chavez came and went and no collapse.

You were all wrong.

We cried the sky is falling because it was.

He was in power for 11 years and no collapse.

They got desperate and staged an anti-democratic coup.

The opposition to Chavez you love so much began that coup by shooting protestors in the streets.

You just stuck your head in the sand until it actually hit.

Chavez died and no collapse.

Things went bad after he was long gone.

All you chicken little's were totally wrong.

You've already said that a vote that doesn't agree with you isn't a fair vote.

Never said it.

Total fabrication is not an argument.

What I have said is that once dictators are gone next to nobody will vote to bring them back. Only people wanting to be dictators and those with no spine but very brown noses will want dictators.

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As opposed to being in a top down rigid hierarchy.

I was in one. It was called the Marine Corps.

This really surprises me. You're about as un-marine as I think it's possible to get. I mean, you're pretty much an "anti-marine" so far as I can tell.

You wouldn't know.

The people that actually serve are not as naive as you believe.

Never heard anyone when I was in talk about duty or serving the nation, whatever that is.

Most people just wanted some action. The civilian world was slow and dull.