What Would Happen if Trump Refused to Leave Office?

[Cheerful Charlie]

If Orango the Clown manages to get covid and die, the right wing rumor mill will leap into life with a bang. George Soros had him poisoned. Or Obama had him assassinated with novichok. Or Hillary killed him with witch craft.

 

[Elixir]

...just imagine if any state comes in as close as Florida in 2000. And most of all, remember what the GOP did in 2000.

My hope has to do with exactly that, and the optics related thereto. I think Bloomy sees it this way too, and that's why he'd dumping $100m into FL. It is widely anticipated that the FL vote will be counted well before midnight on the 3rd. If Trump loses FL, there's no way he will have a "lead" when the sun comes up on the 4th. That will go a long way toward muting the anguished and baseless cries of "Democrats rigged it!". Since there is already a catalog of ways that the right is already cheating (soliciting foreign interference, mucking up the Postal Service etc) and only Trump's cry of "RIGGED!" to support any idea that Democrats are cheating, it's hard to see him gaining any traction for that invention if he never gets a lead in the electoral vote count.
On the flipside, what we should all be concerned about are actions that could be undertaken by Bill Barr to curtail the counting of votes in other States. As a person who will probably end up in jail or worse if Trump is deposed, he is just as desperate as Trump, just as dishonest and twice as smart.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I know we have talked about this in other threads, but I thought it was time for a focused re-visit given the overt signs emerging lately...
Some here are very dismissive of the chances that Trump would ever do such a thing as to refuse to leave office

HERE is a pretty good take IMO.

It's a chilling thought that in America "the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader", but I'm afraid that is indeed the case. And with Trump we have a guy with no character and nothing to lose by attempting insurrection - he knows he's in for disgrace and probable jail time if he becomes a private citizen. So why not put everyone else's lives on the line and at worst, go out in a blaze of glory?

I am reassured by only one thing: In three years, Trump has never even had the guts to fire anyone face to face. He will try to get others to walk over the line for him, but he is not a leader, he is just a boss. Normally that doesn't mean putting his own ass on the line by leading the way in a forcible takeover. So he might come down with a last minute case of bone spurs. Other than that, I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

 

[Elixir]

I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

B-b-b-ut @Jason Harvestdancer is so very fond of his made up term "feargasm" that he cannot now (or ever) admit that he was wrong, let alone that he remains totally deluded despite batting ZERO with his assessments.

However, @Don2 (Don1 Revised), I was not 100% correct, at least not yet.
I predicted that he'd be Epsteined once he lost. Maybe the opportunity has not yet arisen, but it seems that the GQP "leaders" have fallen in behind him - at least superficially. I'm sure they'd all like to see an end put to him, but they are characteristically too cowardly to do anything about it.

 

[Jarhyn]

I know we have talked about this in other threads, but I thought it was time for a focused re-visit given the overt signs emerging lately...
Some here are very dismissive of the chances that Trump would ever do such a thing as to refuse to leave office

HERE is a pretty good take IMO.

It's a chilling thought that in America "the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader", but I'm afraid that is indeed the case. And with Trump we have a guy with no character and nothing to lose by attempting insurrection - he knows he's in for disgrace and probable jail time if he becomes a private citizen. So why not put everyone else's lives on the line and at worst, go out in a blaze of glory?

I am reassured by only one thing: In three years, Trump has never even had the guts to fire anyone face to face. He will try to get others to walk over the line for him, but he is not a leader, he is just a boss. Normally that doesn't mean putting his own ass on the line by leading the way in a forcible takeover. So he might come down with a last minute case of bone spurs. Other than that, I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

It's almost as if Jason is secretly the one who enjoys whipping themselves into a fearful frenzy for their "alone time", hence why they would easily confuse someone exploring completely founded and reasonable expectations of negative behavior with their own behavior, the behavior they engage in that is the only kind that remotely seems remotely similar.

The fact is, most of us concern ourselves with the momentum of our culture and what vectors we need to apply to even start to move it in a different direction.

And then from some humans, who benefit shamelessly from the current path of the society that runs roughshod over many lives, we see instead a perception of fear as some kind of masturbatory aid and mechanism of control.

I wonder why that is.

 

[Elixir]

Trump will never allow himself to be labeled as LOSER. That's death to him. Whiny little bitch, but not loser. So, if he goes, my prediction is that he skips the inauguration -- c'mon, if he's such a pussy that he can't wear a face mask, can you see him sharing a limo with Joe? He'll depart the White House at noon, probably leaving a double-flusher in the Oval Office toilet. And he spends the rest of his days moaning and shrieking that the election was stolen.

Well... THAT was dead on.

 

[Toni]

I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

B-b-b-ut @Jason Harvestdancer is so very fond of his made up term "feargasm" that he cannot now (or ever) admit that he was wrong, let alone that he remains totally deluded despite batting ZERO with his assessments.

However, @Don2 (Don1 Revised), I was not 100% correct, at least not yet.
I predicted that he'd be Epsteined once he lost. Maybe the opportunity has not yet arisen, but it seems that the GQP "leaders" have fallen in behind him - at least superficially. I'm sure they'd all like to see an end put to him, but they are characteristically too cowardly to do anything about it.

Maybe he will be Epsteined. I think it would be relatively easy to ensure he has a fatal heart attack or stroke. But I think it would take more intelligence and competence than most of Trump's inner circle possesses. I would go so far as to say that I think the fact that Putin is a bit distracted in Ukraine is keeping Trump alive.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump likely knows nothing of value to harm Putin's interests. The best he can say is Putin blackmailed him or Russian oligarchs used properties he was attached to in order to launder money, so he could make money.

Epstein is dead because he didn't want to live in prison for the rest of his life. This seems to come as a surprise to so many. He was the king pin of some very dirty stuff. He was the big fish, not the guys who partook in it (also criminals). There is nothing he could spill on them to keep him out of prison for life.

 

[Elixir]

If the number of disputed votes exceeds the margin, you have a universe in which there is an unclear winner.

Jason apparently believes there are more than SEVEN MILLION "disputed" votes. He can't even identify seven of them, though.
His definition of "disputed" must be quite liberal. So much so, that the fact that I dispute ALL of the supposed 74m Trump votes, means Trump must have lost!
See how that works?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If the number of disputed votes exceeds the margin, you have a universe in which there is an unclear winner.

Jason apparently believes there are more than SEVEN MILLION "disputed" votes. He can't even identify seven of them, though.
His definition of "disputed" must be quite liberal. So much so, that the fact that I dispute ALL of the supposed 74m Trump votes, means Trump must have lost!
See how that works?

He is peculiar. He claims to be a Libertarian, but his posts scream he is simply a Contrarian.

 

[Toni]

Trump likely knows nothing of value to harm Putin's interests. The best he can say is Putin blackmailed him or Russian oligarchs used properties he was attached to in order to launder money, so he could make money.

Epstein is dead because he didn't want to live in prison for the rest of his life. This seems to come as a surprise to so many. He was the king pin of some very dirty stuff. He was the big fish, not the guys who partook in it (also criminals). There is nothing he could spill on them to keep him out of prison for life.

Eh, I doubt that Trump could not hurt Putin. If nothing else, providing evidence that Putin interfered in our elections or sought to control POTUS would hurt Putin as his efforts would be laid plain. It would make it harder for Putin to repeat. But the fact that Trump is no longer useful to Putin would be enough reason to eliminate him.

I am not sold on the fact that Epstein committed suicide. Trump will never commit suicide.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm not certain why people find it so hard to believe man who lived in luxury didn't want to live in prison for the second half of his life.

 

[Elixir]

I'm not certain why people find it so hard to believe man who lived in luxury didn't want to live in prison for the second half of his life.

You think he’s gonna live to be 150???
What are you - his fucking Doctor??

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm not certain why people find it so hard to believe man who lived in luxury didn't want to live in prison for the second half of his life.

You think he’s gonna live to be 150???
What are you - his fucking Doctor??

Yipes, okay, last 20 to 30 years.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If the number of disputed votes exceeds the margin, you have a universe in which there is an unclear winner.

Jason apparently believes there are more than SEVEN MILLION "disputed" votes. He can't even identify seven of them, though.
His definition of "disputed" must be quite liberal. So much so, that the fact that I dispute ALL of the supposed 74m Trump votes, means Trump must have lost!
See how that works?

I recommend you look up the meaning of the word "if".

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I know we have talked about this in other threads, but I thought it was time for a focused re-visit given the overt signs emerging lately...
Some here are very dismissive of the chances that Trump would ever do such a thing as to refuse to leave office

HERE is a pretty good take IMO.

It's a chilling thought that in America "the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader", but I'm afraid that is indeed the case. And with Trump we have a guy with no character and nothing to lose by attempting insurrection - he knows he's in for disgrace and probable jail time if he becomes a private citizen. So why not put everyone else's lives on the line and at worst, go out in a blaze of glory?

I am reassured by only one thing: In three years, Trump has never even had the guts to fire anyone face to face. He will try to get others to walk over the line for him, but he is not a leader, he is just a boss. Normally that doesn't mean putting his own ass on the line by leading the way in a forcible takeover. So he might come down with a last minute case of bone spurs. Other than that, I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

???

Oh, I get it, you are referring to the Jan 6 protest.

Given that, I can see why you would believe you are right.

 

[Swammerdami]

I know we have talked about this in other threads, but I thought it was time for a focused re-visit given the overt signs emerging lately...
Some here are very dismissive of the chances that Trump would ever do such a thing as to refuse to leave office

HERE is a pretty good take IMO.

It's a chilling thought that in America "the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader", but I'm afraid that is indeed the case. And with Trump we have a guy with no character and nothing to lose by attempting insurrection - he knows he's in for disgrace and probable jail time if he becomes a private citizen. So why not put everyone else's lives on the line and at worst, go out in a blaze of glory?

I am reassured by only one thing: In three years, Trump has never even had the guts to fire anyone face to face. He will try to get others to walk over the line for him, but he is not a leader, he is just a boss. Normally that doesn't mean putting his own ass on the line by leading the way in a forcible takeover. So he might come down with a last minute case of bone spurs. Other than that, I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.
Jill Biden thinks I'm a breakfast taco.
No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

Just posting to congratulate Elixir on his prognostication.

I see Mr. Harvestdancer thinks he won the exchange. How cute.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I know we have talked about this in other threads, but I thought it was time for a focused re-visit given the overt signs emerging lately...
Some here are very dismissive of the chances that Trump would ever do such a thing as to refuse to leave office

HERE is a pretty good take IMO.

It's a chilling thought that in America "the key to the peaceful transfer of power is the conduct of the outgoing leader", but I'm afraid that is indeed the case. And with Trump we have a guy with no character and nothing to lose by attempting insurrection - he knows he's in for disgrace and probable jail time if he becomes a private citizen. So why not put everyone else's lives on the line and at worst, go out in a blaze of glory?

I am reassured by only one thing: In three years, Trump has never even had the guts to fire anyone face to face. He will try to get others to walk over the line for him, but he is not a leader, he is just a boss. Normally that doesn't mean putting his own ass on the line by leading the way in a forcible takeover. So he might come down with a last minute case of bone spurs. Other than that, I think overthrowing the government is exactly what he would like to do. Or rather, what he'd like someone else to do for him. Apparently a lot of respected ex-military personnel think so too; there's a lot of preventative messaging coming from that quarter.

It means you're having a feargasm. Nothing more.

In reviewing old posts, I see that Elixir called it 100%. You were completely wrong.

???

Oh, I get it, you are referring to the Jan 6 protest.

Given that, I can see why you would believe you are right.

Protest... yes... the protest that people died in... the protest hundreds of people are being put in jail (for a while) over. The protest to overthrow the election and was instigated by Trump... starting the night of December 18th, when it appeared that any technical way to win via the electoral college via swapping votes had failed.

That umm... "protest". And Lee Harvey Oswald was merely hunting and Bill Clinton was just getting to know the Intern better.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just posting to congratulate Elixir on his prognostication.

I see Mr. Harvestdancer thinks he won the exchange. How cute.

Aw thanks.
But don't be too hard on Jason.
The nature of <consistency edit> is that they are each masters of their own imaginary domains.

A couple objections, name calling isn't allowed. Also, he isn't a Libertarian anyway, merely a Contrarian.

 

[Elixir]

he isn't a Libertarian anyway, merely a Contrarian.

I thought name calling wasn’t allowed!
Cuntrarian? WUT?