Who is responsible for pregnancies? (Derail from: Policies that will reduce abortions)

[TSwizzle]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

 

[Toni]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

 

[ZiprHead]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

This one?

 

[TSwizzle]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

And abstinence.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But no one ever suggests that the man lose bodily autonomy because he had sex.

I know you support the right of women to make their own choices about their bodies. I’m just trying to make the point for those who need to hear it that pregnancy is not a punishment for women for having sex.

I've said the "pro-life" nuts see it as punishment--that doesn't mean I agree with them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A woman allowing sperm near her vagina is voluntary.

At least 6,378 Australians and 463,634 Americans every single year disagree with you.

What on earth are you talking about?

Rape, obviously. That's a separate issue.

 

[TSwizzle]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

Heck, go all the way and just castrate men!

 

[steve_bank]

We need to work harder! I'm certain if we try hard enough we can muddle in even less likely scenarios, wasting everyone's time and never actually discuss the actual baseline situation.

Evolution made us in heat 24/7 from puberty to old age. What else is there to say?

Responsibility is more an issue for the morality forum than politics.

How we deal with procreation and child rearing as a culture is political.

In our culture today it is the man, the woman, or both depending on how a civil court rules on responsibility if the two can't work it out. If the two can't work it out the court can place the kid in a foster home. The theme has been played out in movies and TV ad nauseum.

 

[steve_bank]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

Heck, go all the way and just castrate men!

Don't give women any ideas.

 

[steve_bank]

Mandatory sterilization and procreation in test tubes. That way we can fuck like rabbits without worries.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

 

[Tigers!]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

Phew. Good idea I made sure that I did not father children I had no intention of supporting.

 

[Tigers!]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Its controversial on this site but knowing where babies come from is not a mystery.
The word "No" is a powerful, but sadly not fool-proof, way of keeping unwanted pregnancy numbers down.

 

[Toni]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Honestly? If women could just tell the guy not to release his sperm inside her—and enforce it—there would be very few unintended pregnancies and so women could dispense with birth control that is expensive, inconvenient, comes with varying degrees of side effects, etc.

But women do not control men’s ejaculations.

Its controversial on this site but knowing where babies come from is not a mystery.
The word "No" is a powerful, but sadly not fool-proof, way of keeping unwanted pregnancy numbers down.

Definitely not fool proof.

I suppose I should not be astonished at the number of men who believe that preventing pregnancy falls squarely on the shoulders of the woman.

 

[Emily Lake]

And of course the coil. Wriggle all you like.

There are also vasectomies.

Yep. Quick procedure causing a couple of days of tenderness and no other side effects. Easily reversible.

 

[Emily Lake]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

How exactly does a woman refuse to allow sperm to be released into her vagina? Walk me through how you think this works, please.

 

[Emily Lake]

I suppose I should not be astonished at the number of men who believe that preventing pregnancy falls squarely on the shoulders of the woman.

I used to be surprised by the one-sidedness in discussions where men and women have different experiences and burdens... but I no longer am.

Those few moments of pleasure are worth more to most men than the health, safety, and burden placed on their female partner.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But not the release of sperm in a vagina.

It's voluntary--on both sides. A woman who allows sperm to be released into her vagina is just as responsible as the man who released it.

Real men are responsible for his actions and his sperm.

Phew. Good idea I made sure that I did not father children I had no intention of supporting.

That you are aware of. You have no idea regarding instances where there was luck and there wasn't a cling-on.