I can only see, from every post you have made here, that you are trying to convey that as long as ANY woman can opt out of undesired body/organ donation, then ALL men can opt out of supporting the children they father.
That is not at all what I mean. And I've said so, more than once.
But your posts keep conveying it when you bring up the issue of abortion as having a single thing whatsover to do with child support.
The CHILD has no say in the gestational permission, the support is for THE CHILD and it is, in my personal opinion a gutless and immoral position to take anything the woman has done as a reason to punish the CHILD with lack of support.
People, regardless of gender, who choose potentially fertile sex are choosing the risk of a big responsibility. Nobody has to choose having the sex. Even the minimum requirements of a child are quite large. But they're also pretty clear. Since the woman must provide the gestation, I'm fine with requiring the man to provide financial support.
Here’s where you convey, again, that you don’t give a shit about the child, you’re just trying to get even with the woman.
I don't see organ donation as a particularly relevant metaphor. Unless you caused the organ failure you've no responsibility for fixing anything.
And here’s why it is relevant;
even if you DID cause the organ failure, it is still a violation of your rights to be forced to donate an organ,
even if your body is dead!
Only people who want to punish women for having sex wish to create a violation of that right.
More relevant is an automobile accident. If you cause an accident you owe whoever you hit with your car.
You owe them EVERYRTTHING, right? Even your organs?
No. No you do not. They have no right to your organs, even if you hit them with your car.
The difference there is that nobody expects you to personally get the victim to the hospital, set their bones, repair their car... Other people are far better qualified to do those things. All the motorist is expected to do is pay. But they are expected to do that. No matter how inconvenient or burdensome.
Not when it is a no-fault accident.
You made the choice when you put the car in drive.
You can't unChoose it.
Tom
And here’s where you AGAIN convey that you don’t give a shit about the child who is the one who gets support, you only care about punishing the woman for having sex, because she’s the only one you harp on about in a thread about child support. The woman and her right to terminate a pregnancy. You think the child should live in poverty because the woman chose to not have an abortion, which you think lets the man off the hook, even though you don’t approve of abortions.
The man does not get to have a say in whether his birth control fails. He does not get to have a say in whether his sperm are sufficiently motile. He does not get to have a say in whether the woman’s luteal phase is long enough to sustain implantation. He does not get to have a say in whether a miscarriage occurs. (Well, he could beat the woman until she miscarries, so maybe that’s what you advocate?) He does not get to have a say in genetic mutations that lead to fetal death. He does not get to have a say in abortion. He does not get to have a say in preeclampsia leading to premature labor and fetal death. He doesn’t get to have a say in any of that.
But without his decision to have sex, none of it matters, and without his decision to have sex, a live birth cannot result.
WHEN the live birth results, our society says he and the mother are both responsible to support THE CHILD that he fathered and she birthed, unless both he and the mother decide for adoption instead.
It is utterly without logic to say that if at any point in that process he loses control over the outcome that he is no longer responsible for the outcome.
