Ramaraksha
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yes sir IN THIS WORLD! The world that we LIVE IN! I was talking about Heaven
Was that not clear? The very title asks that question - why are the two worlds so different?
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Why is the Afterworld or Heaven(H), as described my most religions, so different from the Real World(RW)?
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Was that not clear? The very title asks that question - why are the two worlds so different?
Ramaraksha
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"Like the previous section just above - the bible already addresses, and agrees with much of the "stating-the-obvious"in your post."
yes over and over - I was asking about Heaven! What WORK DOES ONE DO IN HEAVEN? AND WHY DOES GOD NEED TO GET IT DONE?
AND NEED OUR HELP?
The title itself is all about asking why THIS WORLD and the AFTERWORLD are different
yes over and over - I was asking about Heaven! What WORK DOES ONE DO IN HEAVEN? AND WHY DOES GOD NEED TO GET IT DONE?
AND NEED OUR HELP?
The title itself is all about asking why THIS WORLD and the AFTERWORLD are different
Ramaraksha
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"Sugar daddy? Hmmm ok,
that line, if we are to put in conjunction with the other lines you bring up about dictators or dictatorships...can confuse people but also sounds like a mind who has a grudge. I am wondering... did you have a bad experience that had some involvement of a Christian you knew?"
If you are not doing any work in Heaven and yet living the good life - that is the definition of a freeloader who is sponging of a Sugar Daddy
Again this is not that hard to figure out
that line, if we are to put in conjunction with the other lines you bring up about dictators or dictatorships...can confuse people but also sounds like a mind who has a grudge. I am wondering... did you have a bad experience that had some involvement of a Christian you knew?"
If you are not doing any work in Heaven and yet living the good life - that is the definition of a freeloader who is sponging of a Sugar Daddy
Again this is not that hard to figure out
Ramaraksha
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Again "Ok, the bible does mention quite a bit about not being lazy in the world. Using one verse from many: Thessalonians 3:10-12:
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Like the previous section just above - the bible already addresses, and agrees with much of the "stating-the-obvious"in your post.
No one asks? If it is the case that no one ever asks this question then, well done you!
I suppose regarding myself...I like building and making things, and so, I would believe that God wouldn't want to stop me or any other individual who wants to 'build and make things', or grow things, cultivate things by gladly putting their willing effort in to it, as they would with many other exciting projects still having achievements, and doing things together (that's just my little fantasy)
Sugar daddy? Hmmm ok,
that line, if we are to put in conjunction with the other lines you bring up about dictators or dictatorships...can confuse people but also sounds like a mind who has a grudge. I am wondering... did you have a bad experience that had some involvement of a Christian you knew?
see previous above
Heaven cannot be earned? Sounds like we also have to do particular works at the same time in order to get in.
It is threatening, yes I see that, if of course you are opposed to the idea of Heaven and people going there.
Everyone is judged according to what is in their hearts. To sum up in context: If it is a heart of anti-christ who in the knowledge of hearing but hating Jesus, hating the idea of what Jesus represents and teaches, then yes, it will be quite threatening to those who oppose Christ.
(*EDIT: not all non-Christians, believers who are not yet convinced hate Christ, obviously and especially if they've never heard of him at all, they are judged according to the good and evil in their hearts... depending on a case-by-case basis of many variables to judge on with each person.. Christ is Judge but can forgive..)
(I'll finish here, long post on phone is tedious)
Why is the Afterworld or Heaven(H), as described my most religions, so different from the Real World(RW)?"
THIS IS THE TITLE OF THE POST - READ IT, UNDERSTAND IT! THEN REPLYRamaraksha
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So what work do you DO in Heaven? And it is not just doing work, how much does it pay? is it enough to live? What are the rents like?
How much does food cost?
DETAILS, please
So in the afterworld you do what you like? So you are an engineer? how much does it pay? Who is asking you to build these things? Are you doing it just for fun? Then you are a freeloader sponging off God! God has all these people just enjoying themselves at his expense!
Like the previous section just above - the bible already addresses, and agrees with much of the "stating-the-obvious"in your post.
I suppose regarding myself...I like building and making things, and so, I would believe that God wouldn't want to stop me or any other individual who wants to 'build and make things', or grow things, cultivate things by gladly putting their willing effort in to it, as they would with many other exciting projects still having achievements, and doing things together (that's just my little fantasy
Yes a fantasy all right - Death is a gateway to a magic land where you get to sit and enjoy the easy good life doing whatever you want!
And so some people just want to sit and watch TV, they get to?
Whereas here on earth, you need to work to buy food, put a roof over your head, no one GIVES you anything, nothing is Free!
But Heaven - everything is free, the good life is GIVEN!
Yes sir - you are enjoying this good life - doing what pleases you - why does God need to get this done?
why is it useful for him? So he just lets you do what pleases you & gives you food, a nice place to stay - all for free?
so then you get to enjoy the easy good life at his expense?
Is that not what Freeloaders, prostitutes, cronies, sycophants, gigolos do?
They find rich Sugar Daddies and live the good life sponging off them?
So religion does not matter? When you are up for a job or a promotion - you want to be judged based on your works
But I was told that unless I believe in Jesus - I am going to hell
Is that not true? is that your personal opinion or one that your religion pushes?
Heaven is a fantasy - just a cheap religion making cheap promises that you drool over
Death is not a gateway to a magic land where some nice Sugar Daddy will let you do whatever you want
The world that you live in, the world that God made for you is very different - again nothing is Free here, no one GIVES you anything for free unless you are a gigolo, prostitute, freeloader, sycophant
You are rejecting the world that God made for you, the Laws that He Put in - drooling over cheap promises
It won't end well
All you want is the easy lazy life - have you heard of Occam's Razor - there is an easier way
Reborn as a Pet - a Dog, Cat - or a sheep, Pig - you will get your easy lazy life - you will get your Heaven
God doesn't need to create an entire world full of shameless freeloaders sponging off him
All he needs to do is change YOU!
Jesus came to preach good values - asking us to become better people - as ALL religions do - the Buddha, Allah, God Rama, Yahweh - and many more
Your religion has turned him into a Dictator rewarding only those who believe and support him & abusing the rest
You have turned Jesus into a Putin, a Kim Jong Un!
Ramaraksha
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My title was asking why the two worlds are sooo different - not why people do certain things - as in your first answer
As for your 2nd answer - these are made up worlds - fantasies and so they are different
And hence Heaven is different - because it is a fantasy - it is not real
Just like people enjoy watching a star wars movie - a world that we can only dream of - so is heaven
The easy lazy life where we get to just sit and enjoy the easy good life - God reduced to a Sugar Daddy
Worse is followers reduced to shameless freeloaders, prostitutes, yes-men, sycophants & Gigolos - amazingly not one of them seems to have a clue!
Ramaraksha
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You seem to be hung up on this view that your way is the only correct way. You are the only one insisting on this - plenty of people have no problem reading what I wroteFine! Do not read it nor reply! Again the world does not cater to your likes or dislikes! Grow up!Now I AM irritated - buddy, deal with it - not everyone is going to cater to you
Also, again, for the last time: Will you PLEASE put spaces between your graphs to facilitate ease of reading?
it is just a few short sentences - I am not writing pages after pages - deal with it
Dude, if you won’t want to put spaces between your graphs, then people will be less likely to read them. Deal with it.
It was just a suggestion. I’m sure others would agree. And so simple to do, while being a courtesy to your readers. Many people, especially older people, find it hard to read large blocks of text on a little screen.
Again it is just a couple of sentences - when I write long sentences I do break them up
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We have different understanding of the bible description, clearly.Again "Ok, the bible does mention quite a bit about not being lazy in the world. Using one verse from many: Thessalonians 3:10-12:
10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”
Like the previous section just above - the bible already addresses, and agrees with much of the "stating-the-obvious"in your post.
No one asks? If it is the case that no one ever asks this question then, well done you!
I suppose regarding myself...I like building and making things, and so, I would believe that God wouldn't want to stop me or any other individual who wants to 'build and make things', or grow things, cultivate things by gladly putting their willing effort in to it, as they would with many other exciting projects still having achievements, and doing things together (that's just my little fantasy
Sugar daddy? Hmmm ok,
that line, if we are to put in conjunction with the other lines you bring up about dictators or dictatorships...can confuse people but also sounds like a mind who has a grudge. I am wondering... did you have a bad experience that had some involvement of a Christian you knew?
see previous above
Heaven cannot be earned? Sounds like we also have to do particular works at the same time in order to get in.
It is threatening, yes I see that, if of course you are opposed to the idea of Heaven and people going there.
Everyone is judged according to what is in their hearts. To sum up in context: If it is a heart of anti-christ who in the knowledge of hearing but hating Jesus, hating the idea of what Jesus represents and teaches, then yes, it will be quite threatening to those who oppose Christ.
(*EDIT: [...] Christ is Judge but can forgive..)
(I'll finish here, long post on phone is tedious)
Why is the Afterworld or Heaven(H), as described my most religions, so different from the Real World(RW)?"
THIS IS THE TITLE OF THE POST - READ IT, UNDERSTAND IT! THEN REPLY
One hand it seems you are asking in the initial question in a 'hypothetical' manner, as one would ask a genuine question for a religious POV, a discussion, but then.. it's not really is it? Because at the same time, it's also an argument in the context of a religious "fantasy' versus "real-world", the perspective you hold. It's a linguistic shape-shift, if you will, that starts with an inquisitive line of questioning that turns into into an argumentative line of questioning; I.e. fantasy v reality etc.& etc.. Perhaps not your intention but I know these disingenuous types of questioning.
Similarly as previously mentioned, what can be confusing when portraying your opinionated view .... statement lines that contradict e.g. The"Sugar Daddy" who gives you everything...is also portrayed somehow as a "dictator" who wants everything you have.
It's like you are trying to make God look bad in all types ways, bearing false witness, so to speak - hence why I asked if you had been hard-done-by, having a bad experience by a Christian (or something similarly associated in that vein).
Anyway Rams, all the best.
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Yup.
Walls-o-text cross my eyes.
I probably miss the greatest nuggets of wisdom on these pages because of that.
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Elixir
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There are some very good writers here. If you pay attention you can learn.
Ramaraksha
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Well it does take a bit of understanding, using our intelligence, right?
A "God" who rewards only those who believe and support him, morals, values, who we as people does not matter, he only cares about whether we believe or not & those that do not believe & support him are dumped into hell - brutal torture for eternity! We are talking families, women, children, even babies!
Does that remind you of anyone? Putin? Kim Jong Un? Any tin-pot Dictator?
Putin rewards those who believe & support him blindly - they could be pure evil people, abusing children, raping girls but for the likes of Putin that does not matter, all he cares about is whether this guy supports him or not. We see the same thing now with Trump
And Putin has had innocent people killed - even children have not been spared
I see it so clearly, amazing that you can't see it
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As for Sugar Daddy, I keep asking what does one DO in Heaven? What value does one add to Heaven? Why does God need you in Heaven? Cheap easy promises of a wonderful life of ease & comfort for eternity! I see how greed for the easy lazy life promised has made people drool but should intelligent educated people not ask questions? If I say some rich guy is giving away bags of money over on the other side of town, are you running to get some? And yet billions of people drool over these cheap promises
No one asks what value do we add to Heaven. No one asks how do we repay God for his hospitality
Would you not ask? If you were shipwrecked on some island, and the islanders nursed you to health, give you food and a place to stay, and then you have to wait for a rescue ship to arrive, would you just sit and wait? Would you not help out? Do some work to repay their kindness?
And yet billions ask no such questions - they simply expect God to GIVE them a life of ease & comfort
That by definition IS a Sugar Daddy keeping his prostitutes, yes-men, sycophants, cronies, gigolos in cozy comfort!
Many people live that way - you see these rich guys, movie stars, music stars surrounded by yes-men, sycophants, family members - who sponge off them
These religions have reduced even the best of minds down to such disgusting level and amazingly they have no clue!
And i see that in your question - amazing that you have no clue!
You would question that right?
Christians and Muslims OPENLY spew threats of hell against unbelievers - we are to be the Jews in a Nazi afterworld - entire families, women, children, even babies - are to be set apart based on belief, religion and to be callously dumped into gas chambers in hell
Again, religion has done an amazing job of brainwashing it seems that you are completely unaware of their threats!
Just wow!
You are on an Atheist site - Atheists mock God, say that he is a sky daddy? Would you say they have been hard done by a Christian? or are they simply writing an opinion?
It seems when Christians and Muslims spew hate - you look the other way but if there is a pushback there must be something wrong with us
Ramaraksha
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That applies to you as well - not every person writes the same way - some adjustment is required
I am not going to cater to his needs - I will write the way I like to read - he needs smaller paragraphs - i don't
I can cut and paste paragraphs from books written by great authors & NONE of them break up sentences the way he wants
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It's entirely up to you how you write.
It's entirely up to your audience whether they bother to read your stuff.
One way to increase the chances that your stuff gets read, and to increase your total audience (if any), is to make every effort to render your writing easy to read.
It is perfectly fine to produce verbiage that nobody else reads, but doing so abdicates any right to expect that others will care one iota what you had to say.
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Yes I know. My last contract was with the Company I had just sold. My only job was technical writing for a military medical audience and it paid obscene amounts.
Have fun with Learner. You two deserve each other.
Ramaraksha
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Just pulled up an a few paragraphs from a book - quite famous - some bloke names Darwin wrote it -
"Nothing is easier than to admit in words the truth of the universal struggle for life, or more difficult at least I have found it so than constantly to bear this conclusion in mind. Yet unless it be thoroughly engrained in the mind, I am convinced that the whole economy of nature, with every fact on distribution, rarity, abundance, extinction, and variation, will be dimly seen or quite misunderstood. We behold the face of nature bright with gladness, we often see superabundance of food; we do not see, or we forget, that the birds which are idly singing round us mostly live on insects or seeds, and are thus constantly destroying life; or we forget how largely these songsters, or their eggs, or their nestlings are destroyed by birds and beasts of prey; we do not always bear in mind, that though food may be now superabundant, it is not so at all seasons of each recurring year.
II. As species of the same genus have usually, though by no means invariably, some similarity inhabits and constitution, and always in structure, the struggle will generally be more severe between species of the same genus, when they come into competition with each other, than between species of distinct genera. We see this in the recent extension over parts of the United States of one species of swallow having caused the decrease of another species. The recent increase of the missel-thrush in parts of Scotland has caused the decrease of the song-thrush. How frequently we hear of one species of rat taking the place of another species under the most different climates! In Russia the small Asiatic cockroach has everywhere driven before it its great congener. One species of charlock will supplant another, and so in other cases. We can dimly see why the competition should be most severe between allied forms, which fill nearly the same place in the economy of nature; but probably in no one case could we precisely say why one species has been victorious over another in the great battle of life."
What do you think? Think he could use some of your advice?
Ramaraksha
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See my reply above - again and again, not everyone is the same or writes the same or has the same likes and dislikesYes I know. My last contract was with the Company I had just sold. My only job was technical writing for a military medical audience and it paid obscene amounts.
Have fun with Learner. You two deserve each other.
The guy said he was over 70 and I assume his eyesight is not so good so he wants big letters, small paragraphs - understandable
But not everyone is the same way - i like small letters, a little bigger paragraphs are fine with me
Ramaraksha
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Over and over, the TITLE of the post says it all - why is the Afterworld sooo different from the REAL WORLD that we live in?
Zero evidence of any such world - a SEGREGATED, EXCLUSIVE world limited to members of X religion only - which basically says morals, values, who we are as people does not matter - the afterworld for billions of unbelievers - entire families, women, children, even babies - will be like being Jews in a Nazi Germany afterworld - set apart based on belief, religion and callously dumped into gas chambers in hell
The few, the favored of these Gods get to live in cozy comfort for eternity!
Their sole qualification being that they believed, supported this God blindly!
Reminds me of yes-men, cronies, sycophants, prostitutes, gigolos living the good life sponging off their rich & powerful Sugar Daddies like Putin, Kim Jong Un!
THIS is the afterworld?
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And so people like you resort to semantics, act as if you don't understand what I am saying
You are educated enough, intelligent enough - but greed for the easy lazy life promised has brainwashed people like you
But we can't live in Fantasies
We can build Mansions, Castles in the air but we can't live in them
One can live only in the REAL WORLD that we live in
But what kind of a life we want depends on us
If a life as a shameless dependent, a gigolo, a moocher is what we want, then there is a price to pay for it
Learner
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So what work do you DO in Heaven? And it is not just doing work, how much does it pay? is it enough to live? What are the rents like?
How much does food cost?
DETAILS, please
So in the afterworld you do what you like? So you are an engineer? how much does it pay? Who is asking you to build these things? Are you doing it just for fun? Then you are a freeloader sponging off God! God has all these people just enjoying themselves at his expense!
Like the previous section just above - the bible already addresses, and agrees with much of the "stating-the-obvious"in your post.
I suppose regarding myself...I like building and making things, and so, I would believe that God wouldn't want to stop me or any other individual who wants to 'build and make things', or grow things, cultivate things by gladly putting their willing effort in to it, as they would with many other exciting projects still having achievements, and doing things together (that's just my little fantasy
I see now why you put such effort in your rants against Christianity - its as I said, you have some sort of grudge,- it should have been obvious then, now having a glance at some of your other posts.
You must be some sort of Hindu guru who's losing his audience to the 'God of Abraham' and the idea of Heaven, leaving the many 'gods of Brahmin' and the many lives of "earn earn earn, work work work" which even after all that, with all your previous lives of "non sponging"... you may still end up being a turkey in your next life, happy gobbling along with other turkeys - you feel excited Christmas is a coming but you don't exactly know why.
You're not really atheist are you...just rounding up allies for the anti-theist/Christian cause. I get it. But can you acknowledge now, contrary to your statement about ruining from your questions ..
...can you acknowledge Christians don't run away from your questions? They were easy.
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Yes, for sure. The English writing style in the nineteenth century was incredibly longwinded and verbose, partly as a way to impress its gravity upon an audience who had no other measure of the writer's educational background, but mostly because writers at that time were typically paid by the word.
Fiction was even more plagued by this; Dickens is hard to read, Fenimore Cooper even more so. The unabridged Last of the Mohicans never uses one word where twenty would do.