Why it's ok to be a rambling fool.

[pood]

here is a little exercise for you. What are YOU going to say if swing voters or independents decide to favor Trump in November. Will THEY all be Nazis in your eyes????????

That won’t happen, but if it did, then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

 

[RamblingFool]

I have had this debate on other forums. Every Trump voter is now labeled with something. Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Except Clinton never did that.

Ok, half. But inflation has increased that number. Now we on the left like to think of that lot as ALL deplorables.

 

[RamblingFool]

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

PLZ!! Look up the definition of a strawman argument. And then come back and point out WHERE I said "do nothing."
Sheesh!

 

[pood]

I have had this debate on other forums. Every Trump voter is now labeled with something. Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Except Clinton never did that.

Ok, half. But inflation has increased that number. Now we on the left like to think of that lot as ALL deplorables.

Yeah, it was half, and that was indeed impolitic of her. Worse, she was wrong. It WAS all of them. I’m not running for office, so I calls ‘em as I sees ‘em.

 

[RamblingFool]

the right laughed at Trump's jokes about it.

Absolutely right. They did. Hence my point. MAGA is extreme, not every Republican, not every Conservative is a MAGA. I mean, we ARE talking about half the electorate. We want to say HALF of America are MAGA? I guess that means the other half are all Commies?

 

[pood]

the right laughed at Trump's jokes about it.

Absolutely right. They did. Hence my point. MAGA is extreme, not every Republican, not every Conservative is a MAGA. I mean, we ARE talking about half the electorate. We want to say HALF of America are MAGA? I guess that means the other half are all Commies?

False equivalency. The VAST majority of Republicans ARE MAGGOT followers. They are all in for Drumpf. Practically none of the other half of the electorate, the sane half, are Communists. You are setting up false equivalency between REAL MAGGOTS and virtually non-existent Communists.

 

[Janice Rael]

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

PLZ!! Look up the definition of a strawman argument. And then come back and point out WHERE I said "do nothing."
Sheesh!

Hi @RamblingFool , what do you do? How do you do it? With whom, when, where, and how? I'm curious.

 

[Ford]

I have had this debate on other forums. Every Trump voter is now labeled with something. Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Except Clinton never did that.

Ok, half. But inflation has increased that number. Now we on the left like to think of that lot as ALL deplorables.

I have to look back through my paperwork, but I don't recall signing something that allowed you to speak on my behalf. I looked in the folder right next to my old Liberal Media Conspiracy membership card, and there was nothing there.

 

[Janice Rael]

Now we on the left like to think of that lot as ALL deplorables.

I have to look back through my paperwork, but I don't recall signing something that allowed you to speak on my behalf. I looked in the folder right next to my old Liberal Media Conspiracy membership card, and there was nothing there.

Can we get a glossary for this thread going so we can all be on the same page, other than literally? I mean literally.

Let's please define our terms:

Please provide a definition of the term "The Left" as used in the context of this thread.

I wish to reply but it's impossible to be sure about such hazy terms, I hope you understand. Plural You.

Thanks!

 

[thebeave]

Yeah but also, the uncivility problem is not a both sides issue.

IT IS on both sides. We call THEM Nazis and Fascists. They call us Socialists, commies, woke, anti-American. ONE SIDE is MORE extreme, the MAGA side. SO yes, one side is worse, but does that give our side an excuse to be uncivil to them?

When Trump was shot at, the left was aghast. When Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, the right laughed at Trump's jokes about it.

Well, I don't know about the first part. Do you want me to show you some posts just on this forum alone from people who were disappointed that the shooter didn't have better aim? The sentiment was not limited to just this forum...

 

[bilby]

It's all repeating whatever nonsense is spouted off on FOX or CNN

In my defence, I never see FOX or CNN, so any opinions I might be infected by from those outlets I get from right here.

I watch very little TV, and when I do see it - at home or out-and-about - it's not American newsertainment; If I watch TV news, it will be SBS or the ABC (the real ABC, not the seppo version).

 

[bilby]

Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Clinton explicitly didn't do that. She referred to a "basket of deplorables", with whom she was contrasting the rest of the Republicans - the ones who were calmly ignoring the detrimental effect of those deplorables on their once respectable party.

You appear to have fallen victim to the very disease you are warning about. Physician, heal thyself!

 

[RamblingFool]

Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Clinton explicitly didn't do that. She referred to a "basket of deplorables", with whom she was contrasting the rest of the Republicans - the ones who were calmly ignoring the detrimental effect of those deplorables on their once respectable party.

You appear to have fallen victim to the very disease you are warning about. Physician, heal thyself!

Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables”
That is millions of Americans. Millions. Wrap your head around that.
As for fallen victim, see what I was responding to:

I call them Nazis and fascists if they support someone who is clearly calling for a theocracy and they clearly don't care about that.

SO...................... here is a little exercise for you. What are YOU going to say if swing voters or independents decide to favor Trump in November. Will THEY all be Nazis in your eyes????????

That won’t happen, but if it did, then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

In short, my question about swing voters and independents would STILL be regarded as Nazis if they voted for Trump.
So, it appears, some on here NOW would go as far as to consider ALL Trump voters deplorable, because.........
then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

As you can see under my username, I am a liberal, I have also repeatedly said on here I have no use for the MAGA types, but my original argument was quite clear.........

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[pood]

Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Clinton explicitly didn't do that. She referred to a "basket of deplorables", with whom she was contrasting the rest of the Republicans - the ones who were calmly ignoring the detrimental effect of those deplorables on their once respectable party.

You appear to have fallen victim to the very disease you are warning about. Physician, heal thyself!

Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables”
That is millions of Americans. Millions. Wrap your head around that.
As for fallen victim, see what I was responding to:

I call them Nazis and fascists if they support someone who is clearly calling for a theocracy and they clearly don't care about that.

SO...................... here is a little exercise for you. What are YOU going to say if swing voters or independents decide to favor Trump in November. Will THEY all be Nazis in your eyes????????

That won’t happen, but if it did, then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

In short, my question about swing voters and independents would STILL be regarded as Nazis if they voted for Trump.
So, it appears, some on here NOW would go as far as to consider ALL Trump voters deplorable, because.........
then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

As you can see under my username, I am a liberal, I have also repeatedly said on here I have no use for the MAGA types, but my original argument was quite clear.........

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Yeah, well, I stand by my statement. Fuck ‘em all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why not just follow Clinton's example and call them ALL deplorables.

Clinton explicitly didn't do that. She referred to a "basket of deplorables", with whom she was contrasting the rest of the Republicans - the ones who were calmly ignoring the detrimental effect of those deplorables on their once respectable party.

You appear to have fallen victim to the very disease you are warning about. Physician, heal thyself!

Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables”
That is millions of Americans. Millions. Wrap your head around that.
As for fallen victim, see what I was responding to:

I call them Nazis and fascists if they support someone who is clearly calling for a theocracy and they clearly don't care about that.

SO...................... here is a little exercise for you. What are YOU going to say if swing voters or independents decide to favor Trump in November. Will THEY all be Nazis in your eyes????????

That won’t happen, but if it did, then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

In short, my question about swing voters and independents would STILL be regarded as Nazis if they voted for Trump.
So, it appears, some on here NOW would go as far as to consider ALL Trump voters deplorable, because.........
then they will have to wear the shoe that fits them.

As you can see under my username, I am a liberal, I have also repeatedly said on here I have no use for the MAGA types, but my original argument was quite clear.........

• #11

The Trump base are deplorable. They are also self deluded thanks to decades of right wing propaganda. They hate America, they dream of tyranny.

At this point the conservatives who actually exist have to choose whether to vote for the guy who orchestrated Jan 6th, tried to get the Ukrainian President to announce a fake investigation into Biden, mocked the brutal attack of Pelosi's husband, which was aimed for Pelosi herself, helped convince an unknown number of people to die of Covid.

Doesn't matter what you call it, I am finding hard to look those people in the eye.

 

[steve_bank]

Biden claimed the border is secure. You mean like democratic spokespersons and surrogates then rambling on about how the border is now secure when we see in the news it is not?

Or Biden surrogates rambling on how Biden was really mentally fine when we all so he was not? Hey, he just had a cold.

The left and the right are no different in political form. Trump is an outlier on an extreme fringe.

 

[TomC]

Hillary Clinton said half of Donald Trump’s supporters belong in a “basket of deplorables”
That is millions of Americans. Millions. Wrap your head around that.

But that's not what you said.
What Clinton said was utterly true. Millions of Trump supporters were "deplorable" to be charitable about it.
And she was talking before Trump and his Deplorables had come to thoroughly dominate what used to be the GOP.
Wrap your head around that. The Teaparty Wing of the Republican Party is utterly deplorable and they are now planning to take over the country.
Everyone is saying it, all the best people. The question is "Are you okay with that?". I'm not.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Biden claimed the border is secure. You mean like democratic spokespersons and surrogates then rambling on about how the border is now secure when we see in the news it is not?

Or Biden surrogates rambling on how Biden was really mentally fine when we all so he was not? Hey, he just had a cold.

The left and the right are no different in political form. Trump is an outlier on an extreme fringe.

FFS, over half the GOP in thr House voted to skull fuck the 2020 election. Enough of the Moore Coulter shit.

 

[Angry Floof]

Because that is exactly what we all think of each other when the other is on the other side.
Republicans are rambling fools. Democrats too. Americans in general if we disagree with their points of view.
Civil discourse has died. Maybe this place will be the exception, it would be grand if that turns out to be true.

I just responded to someone who posted the acronym TDS to explain away any criticism of Trump. THAT is so lame, it is laughable.
Meanwhile Joe sniffs hair, poops his pants, and falls asleep
It's like NO ONE wants to actually talk about policy, direction of the country, the future for our children, or discuss a topic with a level head and some researched material

It's all repeating whatever nonsense is spouted off on FOX or CNN.

So, I appreciate rambling fools, as you can all see, I started this thread rambling. But don't be a babbling fool. There IS a difference.

Thanks.

Gee, I wonder what side of humanity this one is on.

"bOFe SiDeS r tEh sAmEz" is the mantra of people who don't actually know what's going on and have no principles or conscience to help them tell the difference, so this is what they say to try to appear to be reasonable and above it all. You're not fooling anybody.

 

[RamblingFool]

Because that is exactly what we all think of each other when the other is on the other side.
Republicans are rambling fools. Democrats too. Americans in general if we disagree with their points of view.
Civil discourse has died. Maybe this place will be the exception, it would be grand if that turns out to be true.

I just responded to someone who posted the acronym TDS to explain away any criticism of Trump. THAT is so lame, it is laughable.
Meanwhile Joe sniffs hair, poops his pants, and falls asleep
It's like NO ONE wants to actually talk about policy, direction of the country, the future for our children, or discuss a topic with a level head and some researched material

It's all repeating whatever nonsense is spouted off on FOX or CNN.

So, I appreciate rambling fools, as you can all see, I started this thread rambling. But don't be a babbling fool. There IS a difference.

Thanks.

Gee, I wonder what side of humanity this one is on.

"bOFe SiDeS r tEh sAmEz" is the mantra of people who don't actually know what's going on and have no principles or conscience to help them tell the difference, so this is what they say to try to appear to be reasonable and above it all. You're not fooling anybody.

Well, let's tactic your rebuttal. Disrespectful, petulant and childish come to mind. Not very original either.
However, I clearly did NOT say "bOFe SiDeS r tEh sAmEz" as I DID say............

ONE SIDE is MORE extreme, the MAGA side. SO yes, one side is worse, but does that give our side an excuse to be uncivil to them?

Of course they are and we have to keep pointing that out. However, focusing on Trump's tan, or his weight, or how often he stumbles or walks awkwardly, or mocking him for riding around in a golf cart, is as immature as they saying Biden sniffs hair and poops his pants. That was the POINT of my OP. We can certainly challenge THEM on their world view and support of Trump, but it's the kindergarten grade insults and put downs that make us look just like them. Think about it.

However, your childish rebuttal spoke volumes about the maturity level we find on debate forums nowadays, and only enhanced my theme about our inability to have civil conversations with each other. YOU must be so proud!