Jason Harvestdancer
Contributor
After the way she treated Obama in the 2008 primaries, I'm very surprised that Hillary is doing as well as she is among black voters.
Jason said:After the way she treated Obama in the 2008 primaries, I'm very surprised that Hillary is doing as well as she is among black voters.
For once we're in agreement.I just listened to a town hall on whether the Iowa caucuses is a make or break situation for Sanders. It was hosted by an alleged "progressive," who said that Hillary has the vast majority of all the minority voters and that Sanders is only popular with whites. On that basis he said that Sanders could win in Iowa but will ultimately be sunk by the minority voter who are aligned with Clinton. At last look, it appeared to me that Hillary is easily as white and Sanders and has a lot of negatives with people of color in her own right. I am hoping that Clinton does not actually own minorities as has been assumed. She really has no reason to be able to claim them. She is just a money grubbing politician and that money is all white and corporate.![]()
If Hillary has the minorities and Sanders has the whites (nice attempt by Hillary to denigrate Sanders again - a white woman accusing a white man of being white) then Sanders has Iowa and New Hampshire locked up. Those are two very white states. She won't have a showing until South Carolina.
If Hillary has the minorities and Sanders has the whites (nice attempt by Hillary to denigrate Sanders again - a white woman accusing a white man of being white) then Sanders has Iowa and New Hampshire locked up. Those are two very white states. She won't have a showing until South Carolina.
That is what they are saying.
But I'm saying something else.
I'm saying the present polls reflect nothing but name recognition.
They don't know who Bernie Sanders is. So it is reasonable they don't trust him.
If Bernie can win a few primaries he will become better known.
One thing that is clear here though. The press wants Hillary. They want the story of the first woman president. They want a bigger story, nothing else. They have no brains beyond that.
That is what they are saying.
But I'm saying something else.
I'm saying the present polls reflect nothing but name recognition.
They don't know who Bernie Sanders is. So it is reasonable they don't trust him.
If Bernie can win a few primaries he will become better known.
One thing that is clear here though. The press wants Hillary. They want the story of the first woman president. They want a bigger story, nothing else. They have no brains beyond that.
But..with what they know about Hillary, how can they vote for her? The mainstream press want Hillary because it is corporate and consolidated and part of the corrupt politics for money scheme Hillary is banking on to make her president. They are their own political machine and it is clear they also mute criticism of Donald Trump. The mainstream press makes big money on political ads paid for by corporations and billionaires. Any news that reflects badly on their bought and paid for politicians is ignored...just like the Sanders campaign is ignored. Hillary and the Repugs remind me of murderers confronted with evidence of their guilt who still deny they have ever done anything wrong.
I'd rather see Bernie win the primary than Hillary. At least the former would lose fair and square based on his socialist politics, rather than some email handling bullshit.
Bernie is not so much as untrusted by minority voters as unknown. He has to gain minority voters to win. This is going to be hard. Another possible problem is religion. Bernie is simply not attractive to those who take their Christianity very seriously. Black voters represent a rather religious segment of the Democratic party voters. Clinton here has the advantage.
Based on what I know about American political discourse, yes. But for full disclosure I have to admit, I didn't think Hillary was going to run at all, or that Trump had any chance of being anything more than a joke candidate, so my predictions in this area are notoriously unreliable.I'd rather see Bernie win the primary than Hillary. At least the former would lose fair and square based on his socialist politics, rather than some email handling bullshit.
His socialist politics will kill him?
So telling the American people we should be more like Germany, have a good economy and good social services too, that will kill him?
Bernie is not so much as untrusted by minority voters as unknown. He has to gain minority voters to win. This is going to be hard. Another possible problem is religion. Bernie is simply not attractive to those who take their Christianity very seriously. Black voters represent a rather religious segment of the Democratic party voters. Clinton here has the advantage.
There are big black churches and big white ones...about equally considering the numbers of attendees. I feel it is wrong to characterize black voters as religious democrats. There are some but black people I know are not particularly instructed as to their politics by preachers...Cornell West excluded.
Based on what I know about American political discourse, yes. But for full disclosure I have to admit, I didn't think Hillary was going to run at all, or that Trump had any chance of being anything more than a joke candidate, so my predictions in this area are notoriously unreliable.His socialist politics will kill him?
So telling the American people we should be more like Germany, have a good economy and good social services too, that will kill him?
Yes, the Family/Fellowship member Hillary Clinton. On the other hand, that should disqualify her from getting support from anybody here.Bernie is simply not attractive to those who take their Christianity very seriously. Black voters represent a rather religious segment of the Democratic party voters. Clinton here has the advantage.
It's over today, finally. After a grueling 6 months of debates, ridiculous accusations, inane political speech, Palin endorsements, we'll finally know who the next President will be.
Me neither. I thought some of the younger senators and governors would rule the 2016 nomination battle. And the only one of those running, Martin O'Malley, can't get no traction at all. Of course, he went full pro-illegal and you never go full pro-illegal!But for full disclosure I have to admit, I didn't think Hillary was going to run at all,