untermensche
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Anecdote after anecdote.
Food for the sheep.
Food for the sheep.
It is not.I read the article and that is inaccurate.
That is very much word mincing. So you are saying Hook is defending another woke racist (also a university professor, btw), but that does not mean he is supporting what this other racist (Delport) is saying?That does not mean that White people committing suicide can be an ethical act.In the lecture, which was presented to Baltimore-based American Association for Psychoanalysis in Clinical Social Work in June, Hook quoted a South African philosophy professor, Terblanche Delport, who has written about White people committing suicide in South Africa, before further discussing the comments and arguing "there was something ethical in Delport’s statements."
Furthermore, Professor Hook is not interested in "the castration of whiteness". From your link
It is clear that the phrase "the castration of whiteness" is Professor Delport (who is in South Africa and who was speaking to a South African audience about South Africa)."I think that Delport took his White audience to the threshold of a type of symbolic extinction … he took them to a proposed end of whiteness," Hook said, adding that Delport "offered his White audience the opportunity to" contemplate "the castration of whiteness."
Your entire response is a complete misrepresentation of the content of your linked article.
What does supporting armed thugs like Dreasjon Reed have to do with "social justice"?Well, not Derec's or your BLM but the social justice the real BLM is calling for.
Not too big orange one, but only if you play in snow. Otherwise it's usually white.I couldn't care less about football. I live in central Indiana and couldn't name the head coach of the Colts. When someone asks me some opinion on football I often respond, "Football? Is that the brown pointy one or the big orange one?"
What principle? If you claim lofty principles, but honor armed thugs shot by police in self-defense just to appease some woke rioters, then your principles are not worth a damn.Anecdotes to attack principles.
What principle? If you claim lofty principles, but honor armed thugs shot by police in self-defense just to appease some woke rioters, then your principles are not worth a damn.Anecdotes to attack principles.
You conveniently omitted part of my response with the link from your articleThat is very much word mincing. So you are saying Hook is defending another woke racist (also a university professor, btw), but that does not mean he is supporting what this other racist (Delport) is saying?
Delport is saying that white people should kill themselves, and Hook is defending him. To say that Hook is not supporting what Delport is saying requires a lot of word mincing.
Which clearly indicates that your claim that Hook is teaching that White people committing suicide can be an ethical act is false.After reading the quotes, Hook said, "I want to suggest that psychoanalytically we could even make the argument that there was something ethical in Delport’s statements."
It is possible they are. Of course, it is quite possible they are not. Nothing in the report remotely indicates either is a self-hating racist.Both are self-hating racists.
You confuse explanation of _____ with support for _____.How is this not offered as a support of Delport's twisted ideas?
We have no idea because you cited a Fox News report which does not report the entire lecture. The notion that a lack of criticism means necessary support is illogical.Hook is certainly being supportive of Delport's ideas, and is in no way critical of them. If he was criticizing these ideas, it would be another thing, but he is quoting them approvingly.
Perhaps not essential, but still a very common trait among white wokesters.
Woke non-whites are usually supremacists for their race.
It is not essential, but it is not rare either.Is violent language an essential component or just one possible indication of 'wokeness' ?
It's these guys.I don't know about ID software,
True. Any problems could be fixed with training the software. However, I suspect that for the woke activists the problem is not one of accuracy but rather that blacks are overrepresented among street level criminals, and therefore disproportionally many blacks would be caught using this software.other than the fiasco with Wii and Apple's facial recognition systems not being able to see black people. Which is just plain laziness on the part of the developers who didn't bother to test their systems on anyone who was dark skinned.
These two sentences are contradictory. Many companies and pretty much all government agencies use so-called "affirmative action" in hiring.Hiring processes don't favor blacks. Yes, in some cases, affirmative action may assist some minorities...
You mean they have to meet some minimum requirements before given preferential treatment. Well, I hope so! Would you rather they be given preferential treatment even if they do not meet minimum criteria for being hired?but in order for that to happen they have to make it through the resume screening process first.
How so?And that process still tends to disfavor minorities and women.
Not somewhat, but by a lot. Racial preferences are common in universities and professional schools. I do not know about you, but I want my physicians to be well-qualified and not have lower standards because of the color of their skin. But exactly this is happening in medical school admissions.College admissions, yes, somewhat.
It varies by college, but to the extent that some colleges define target demographic distributions, it could be a factor.
There's not much that can be done about it. In the famous words of Mae West, you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.
That's Dorothy Parker, not Mae West.
Since penis size seems to have come up in this thread, let me quote a west line inquiring about the possibility of a "woke" penis:
"Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?"
You didn't read it.
There's not much that can be done about it. In the famous words of Mae West, you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.
That is an insult to sex workers. A lot of them are very cultured.
Who is "us"? Do you identify with the likes of Michael Brown or Mario Woods or Dreasjon Reed just because of the color of their skin? These guys, who became #BLM heroes, certainly were not about letting others live in peace.I personally don't care who is or is not woke and what it all means. I only care that I & anyone for that matter can live life in peace. If anyone unlawfully takes that away from us in any shape or form I expect the justice system to do its damn job.
According to Kaep, he first became a #BLM activists over Mario Woods. A guy who was just released on parole (parole board screwed up, dude was not rehabilitated in the least!) and promptly stabbed a man, then refused to drop the knife despite police trying non-lethal means like bean bags to disarm him.When it doesn't no one should be surprised to see people like Woke-Kaepernick popping up. The dude stood up for BLM and since then it's been all over the news and picked up steam.
That's because for one there was and is a lot of rioting, looting and calls to defund the police. For other, there isn't much meat to the issues. When there is wrongdoing by the police, they get prosecuted. But these activists want police prosecuted even when they did nothing wrong, like in the case of Mario Woods. Note, police could not just allow him to wander off, they had to stop him.That's what he set out to do and it worked. But instead of looking at the issues it became about dumbass rioters, looters & defunding the police.
You are forgetting that it is activists who rioted, looted, burned "this bitch down" (to quote Michael Brown's mother's boyfriend to launch the 2nd Ferguson insurrection) and came up with terms like "woke" and demands like "defund/abolish the police" and "abolish prisons".Then Mr. Floyd lost his life (amongst many others of all races) and folks just shrug and say, that's an exception and continue the focus on a bunch of asshole rioters, looters, the stupid phrase "defund the police" and now this woke crap.
Can you give me some examples as to where police were not indicted when you think they should have been based solely on their word? Be specific.Meanwhile, on the police force, their word is still gold. Fear for their life is mainly all they need to say and no charges are filed if they can avoid doing so by all means necessary.
Given millions of interactions there will be cases where they fuck up. Police are not infallible, but then again nobody is. Daunte Wright case is a good example. Wright should not have skipped bail on his gun charge and then tried to flee when he was about to be arrested, and the cop made a mistake when she pulled a gun instead of a taser.But whatever, the police interact hundreds of millions of times a day with people and nothing bad happens so they should be allowed to fuck up. Right?
That's what this thread is all about.Let's talk more about these woke folk.
Not what I was talking about either. But that's not derail this think further. Although the woke don't like consensual adult sex work either ...We’re not talking about petri dishes here.
Hard to go for a unifying definition, but I will give it a shot.Derec, what is your definition of 'woke'?
Some of the pictures were just for fun (especially Lili Von Schtupp) but the articles are important. Like the Jezebel one illustrating the early use of the term or the articles about Kaep, a prominent woke activist.Don't just link to pictures and obscure news stories. No one here can see into your mind to figure out what you think those articles show. You have to tell us what you think they show.
No. While woke tend to be arrogant for sure, that attitude is far too common to be a defining characteristic. Also, many if not most woke are non-white and the term originated among black radical activists.Do you think 'woke' is white arrogance?
Again, since many/most woke are non-white, that will not do as a definition. However, the racially woke whites are usually self-hating.Do you think it's white self hatred?
No, it does not. We should all "give a crap" in that circumstance. But that's not most cases. The woke get upset iff (if and only if) a black person gets shot, and they don't care if he was armed, or attacking police, etc. That's why the woke protest on behalf of Dreasjon Reed and McHale Rose.Do you think being 'woke' means giving a crap when an unarmed man is needlessly shot by the police?
The latter. You don't have to be woke to "give a crap" in the circumstances you stated.Do you think it means not giving a crap, or that giving a crap has no bearing on 'wokeness'?
Okay, everyone. It's time we figured out exactly what 'Woke' means because we now have at least 4 definitions being used.
1. aware of, and concerned about, social issues such as racism and social justice
2. smugly arrogant, fatuous, and overbearing, especially when expounding on the topic of social justice
3. people who call out people who are too lazy to even try to remember correct names and terms aka Miss Manners wannabes
4. white arrogance
Anyone want to submit another definition or refine one of the above?
Hard to go for a unifying definition, but I will give it a shot.
I would say the defining characteristics of "woke" are
- excessive involvement with "social justice" issues
- a twisted understanding what "social justice" which is informed by far left politics, esp. so called "liberation" and other radical ideologies of the 60s and 70s. As such, I think the woke movement is reactionary rather than progressive.
- The original use was specifically about race, and these OG racial wokesters referred back to Black Panthers, Malcolm X and other black radicals. That is a special case of my point above.