Women-only parking bays in Perth CBD

[laughing dog]

Perhaps on planet hissy fit, but certainly not on planet Earth.

Your response is proof of that.

Evidently.

Meanwhile, when someone can quote something misogynist that I've said, I'll take the critique seriously.

You hand-waved dismissal of bibly's critique rebuts your post.

 

[zorq]

South Korea has this phenomenon. They have had handicapped parking spaces close to the entrances of shopping malls like Lotte Mart and Shinsaegae for a long time but then about two years ago they put in another row of special parking spots designated for pregnant women. Personally I didn't think twice about it because the subways here have designated seats for the elderly, incapacitated, pregnant, and those with small children. It makes just as much sense to me for pregnant women to have special designation areas as it does for the incapacitated.

Anyways, a little while later, the shopping malls put in a third row of specially designated parking spots, this one was for "women." This didn't really bother me either because:
A. I've seen the demographics of shoppers at these stores. An unusually large number of them are women who bring small children with them to the store who just like the reserved subway seats for people accompanied by small children, there are some considerations that are helpful for adults escorting children through the parking lot. Careless children are often hit by cars in Korea and because Korea still largely conforms to a traditional patriarchical social structure, almost all of the children are cared for by women. And...

B. The parking spaces are owned by the STORE. They can do what they want with them. I understand that they are a commercial entity that is trying to attract customers in any way they can. They don't have to provide ANY parking spaces at all because in Korea there are no laws that say they need to. Plus the parking space gender rules aren't enforced in any way either, just like the subway seats.

If the host of a party asks me to save the lawn chairs for her aunt and uncle I'll gladly stay out of the lawn chairs, It's common courtesy.

If someone gives all the girls strawberry ice cream and all the boys vanilla, but I'm a boy and I really wanted strawberry instead, do I complain about it? No. I'm just happy I got some ice cream. Or I just line up in the girls line and get strawberry instead. It's no big deal.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Which does not address the issue.

It seems to me that male drivers would also benefit from being closer to entrances, having better lighting, and additional CCTV cameras monitoring their safety.

True (consider downtown here at night. It's not a good part of town but so long as you stay in the coverage of the security cameras of the casinos the only issue is pickpockets. Walk a block east and you're in drug-dealing territory)--but women probably benefit more.

Two cities less similar than Perth and Las Vegas would be hard to find in the developed world.

The security effect of CCTV should be similar, though.

Although I'm not sure if you guys know what security is--last time I was in Perth I found myself what was in hindsight way too close to the launching point of a major fireworks display. The shells were being fired over our heads, a dud round would have a reasonable chance of falling into the crowd.

She'll be right mate, if it's a dud, then it's not a problem, is it?

Life is risky. You can embrace that fact, or live in constant fear.

It must be exhausting to maintain the level of fear that seems to be typical for Americans. Attempts to entirely eliminate risk very quickly hit the law of diminishing returns. You guys need to learn to relax and have another beer.

We have the sense to arrange safety zones around the launch pad. Look at the big fireworks shows on TV--it's very common to shoot from barges in rivers for the sake of safety.

 

[bilby]

Which does not address the issue.

It seems to me that male drivers would also benefit from being closer to entrances, having better lighting, and additional CCTV cameras monitoring their safety.

True (consider downtown here at night. It's not a good part of town but so long as you stay in the coverage of the security cameras of the casinos the only issue is pickpockets. Walk a block east and you're in drug-dealing territory)--but women probably benefit more.

Two cities less similar than Perth and Las Vegas would be hard to find in the developed world.

The security effect of CCTV should be similar, though.

Although I'm not sure if you guys know what security is--last time I was in Perth I found myself what was in hindsight way too close to the launching point of a major fireworks display. The shells were being fired over our heads, a dud round would have a reasonable chance of falling into the crowd.

She'll be right mate, if it's a dud, then it's not a problem, is it?

Life is risky. You can embrace that fact, or live in constant fear.

It must be exhausting to maintain the level of fear that seems to be typical for Americans. Attempts to entirely eliminate risk very quickly hit the law of diminishing returns. You guys need to learn to relax and have another beer.

We have the sense to arrange safety zones around the launch pad. Look at the big fireworks shows on TV--it's very common to shoot from barges in rivers for the sake of safety.

That's common here too. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but fireworks injuries and fatalities at organised public displays are very rare. It's just not something that any sane person would worry about - you are more likely to be hit by a motor vehicle on the way home from the display than you are to be injured while you are there, so why worry?

 

[Underseer]

Wait, women don't want to be raped, therefore men are being persecuted? What kind of bizarre argument is this?

Oh, and whoever claimed that men are more likely to be sexually assaulted than men, good luck proving that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Which does not address the issue.

It seems to me that male drivers would also benefit from being closer to entrances, having better lighting, and additional CCTV cameras monitoring their safety.

True (consider downtown here at night. It's not a good part of town but so long as you stay in the coverage of the security cameras of the casinos the only issue is pickpockets. Walk a block east and you're in drug-dealing territory)--but women probably benefit more.

Two cities less similar than Perth and Las Vegas would be hard to find in the developed world.

The security effect of CCTV should be similar, though.

Although I'm not sure if you guys know what security is--last time I was in Perth I found myself what was in hindsight way too close to the launching point of a major fireworks display. The shells were being fired over our heads, a dud round would have a reasonable chance of falling into the crowd.

She'll be right mate, if it's a dud, then it's not a problem, is it?

Life is risky. You can embrace that fact, or live in constant fear.

It must be exhausting to maintain the level of fear that seems to be typical for Americans. Attempts to entirely eliminate risk very quickly hit the law of diminishing returns. You guys need to learn to relax and have another beer.

We have the sense to arrange safety zones around the launch pad. Look at the big fireworks shows on TV--it's very common to shoot from barges in rivers for the sake of safety.

That's common here too. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but fireworks injuries and fatalities at organised public displays are very rare. It's just not something that any sane person would worry about - you are more likely to be hit by a motor vehicle on the way home from the display than you are to be injured while you are there, so why worry?

In the show we saw there were plenty of people less than 100' from the launch area and it was surrounded on all sides. A weak launch or a slow-burning fuse and it could have been a very bad thing. The only reason a dud shell wasn't certain to hit people is that this was mixed into the city--it could have fallen on a roof instead. They were shooting from a building that had just started construction--there was a concrete slab with bits sticking up, nothing more. There was the construction fence around it and then the crowd.

 

[bilby]

Which does not address the issue.

It seems to me that male drivers would also benefit from being closer to entrances, having better lighting, and additional CCTV cameras monitoring their safety.

True (consider downtown here at night. It's not a good part of town but so long as you stay in the coverage of the security cameras of the casinos the only issue is pickpockets. Walk a block east and you're in drug-dealing territory)--but women probably benefit more.

Two cities less similar than Perth and Las Vegas would be hard to find in the developed world.

The security effect of CCTV should be similar, though.

Although I'm not sure if you guys know what security is--last time I was in Perth I found myself what was in hindsight way too close to the launching point of a major fireworks display. The shells were being fired over our heads, a dud round would have a reasonable chance of falling into the crowd.

She'll be right mate, if it's a dud, then it's not a problem, is it?

Life is risky. You can embrace that fact, or live in constant fear.

It must be exhausting to maintain the level of fear that seems to be typical for Americans. Attempts to entirely eliminate risk very quickly hit the law of diminishing returns. You guys need to learn to relax and have another beer.

We have the sense to arrange safety zones around the launch pad. Look at the big fireworks shows on TV--it's very common to shoot from barges in rivers for the sake of safety.

That's common here too. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but fireworks injuries and fatalities at organised public displays are very rare. It's just not something that any sane person would worry about - you are more likely to be hit by a motor vehicle on the way home from the display than you are to be injured while you are there, so why worry?

In the show we saw there were plenty of people less than 100' from the launch area and it was surrounded on all sides. A weak launch or a slow-burning fuse and it could have been a very bad thing. The only reason a dud shell wasn't certain to hit people is that this was mixed into the city--it could have fallen on a roof instead. They were shooting from a building that had just started construction--there was a concrete slab with bits sticking up, nothing more. There was the construction fence around it and then the crowd.

I am amazed that you have had enough time in your busy schedule to become a qualified fireworks display safety officer.

Perhaps you should change your handle to 'Ibid.' - because it seems you are the world's biggest authority on everything, but we have to look elsewhere to find citations for your claims.

 

[Axulus]

Metaphor, haven't you figured out the rules of identity politics yet? If a governmental or private policy favors a group considered disadvantaged, you are engaging in hysteria or are an outright bigot, racist, misogynist, islamophobe, blah, blah, blah if you dare say one word in opposition.

Also, you are to ignore problems of members of more privlidged groups. Boys are much more likely to get suspended and/or drop out of school and not receive a college education? Who cares? Girls have lower participation in sports? That's an outrage that must be addressed! Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, including violent acts committed by complete strangers? Who cares? Women feel unsafe going to and from their cars in the parking lot/bay in the evening hours? That's an outrage that must be addressed! How dare you speak against it, you woman hater who constantly goes into fits of hysterics over these matters.

 

[laughing dog]

Metaphor, haven't you figured out the rules of identity politics yet? If a governmental or private policy favors a group considered disadvantaged, you are engaging in hysteria or are an outright bigot, racist, misogynist, islamophobe, blah, blah, blah if you dare say one word in opposition.

Also, you are to ignore problems of members of more privlidged groups. Boys are much more likely to get suspended and/or drop out of school and not receive a college education? Who cares! Girls have lower participation in sports? That's an outrage that must be addressed! Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, including violent acts committed by complete strangers? Who cares! Women feel unsafe going to and from their cars in the parking lot/bay in the evening hours? That's an outrage that must be addressed! How dare you speak against it, you woman hater who constantly goes into fits of hysterics over these matters.

Another SJWer in overdrive.

 

[Axulus]

Metaphor, haven't you figured out the rules of identity politics yet? If a governmental or private policy favors a group considered disadvantaged, you are engaging in hysteria or are an outright bigot, racist, misogynist, islamophobe, blah, blah, blah if you dare say one word in opposition.

Also, you are to ignore problems of members of more privlidged groups. Boys are much more likely to get suspended and/or drop out of school and not receive a college education? Who cares! Girls have lower participation in sports? That's an outrage that must be addressed! Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, including violent acts committed by complete strangers? Who cares! Women feel unsafe going to and from their cars in the parking lot/bay in the evening hours? That's an outrage that must be addressed! How dare you speak against it, you woman hater who constantly goes into fits of hysterics over these matters.

Another SJWer in overdrive.

Coming from a regressive left apologist I consider that a compliment.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

South Korea has this phenomenon. They have had handicapped parking spaces close to the entrances of shopping malls like Lotte Mart and Shinsaegae for a long time but then about two years ago they put in another row of special parking spots designated for pregnant women. Personally I didn't think twice about it because the subways here have designated seats for the elderly, incapacitated, pregnant, and those with small children. It makes just as much sense to me for pregnant women to have special designation areas as it does for the incapacitated.

Anyways, a little while later, the shopping malls put in a third row of specially designated parking spots, this one was for "women." This didn't really bother me either because:
A. I've seen the demographics of shoppers at these stores. An unusually large number of them are women who bring small children with them to the store who just like the reserved subway seats for people accompanied by small children, there are some considerations that are helpful for adults escorting children through the parking lot. Careless children are often hit by cars in Korea and because Korea still largely conforms to a traditional patriarchical social structure, almost all of the children are cared for by women. And...

B. The parking spaces are owned by the STORE. They can do what they want with them. I understand that they are a commercial entity that is trying to attract customers in any way they can. They don't have to provide ANY parking spaces at all because in Korea there are no laws that say they need to. Plus the parking space gender rules aren't enforced in any way either, just like the subway seats.

If the host of a party asks me to save the lawn chairs for her aunt and uncle I'll gladly stay out of the lawn chairs, It's common courtesy.

If someone gives all the girls strawberry ice cream and all the boys vanilla, but I'm a boy and I really wanted strawberry instead, do I complain about it? No. I'm just happy I got some ice cream. Or I just line up in the girls line and get strawberry instead. It's no big deal.

Nice post. But with the current bitchfest underway I don't think anyone hears.

 

[thebeave]

Metaphor, haven't you figured out the rules of identity politics yet? If a governmental or private policy favors a group considered disadvantaged, you are engaging in hysteria or are an outright bigot, racist, misogynist, islamophobe, blah, blah, blah if you dare say one word in opposition.

Also, you are to ignore problems of members of more privlidged groups. Boys are much more likely to get suspended and/or drop out of school and not receive a college education? Who cares? Girls have lower participation in sports? That's an outrage that must be addressed! Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime, including violent acts committed by complete strangers? Who cares? Women feel unsafe going to and from their cars in the parking lot/bay in the evening hours? That's an outrage that must be addressed! How dare you speak against it, you woman hater who constantly goes into fits of hysterics over these matters.

And of course its not just OK, but fun to publicly lie about and humiliate the "privileged" group. Even if you're the President of the United States!

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_29763166/silicon-valley-students-shine-in-white-house-science-fair?source=infinite-up

On the 273rd birthday of Thomas Jefferson, a previous innovation-loving occupant of the White House, Obama gave a pitch for more girls, women and minorities into the sciences. "We're not going to succeed if we got half the team on the bench," he said, adding, to laughter, "especially when it's the smarter half of the team."

 

[Metaphor]

A. I've seen the demographics of shoppers at these stores. An unusually large number of them are women who bring small children with them to the store who just like the reserved subway seats for people accompanied by small children, there are some considerations that are helpful for adults escorting children through the parking lot. Careless children are often hit by cars in Korea and because Korea still largely conforms to a traditional patriarchical social structure, almost all of the children are cared for by women. And...

If you want a 'parents with prams and/or children' bay, then have it. But don't have a women's bay which excludes men with children and does not prevent women with no children from using the spots.

B. The parking spaces are owned by the STORE. They can do what they want with them. I understand that they are a commercial entity that is trying to attract customers in any way they can. They don't have to provide ANY parking spaces at all because in Korea there are no laws that say they need to. Plus the parking space gender rules aren't enforced in any way either, just like the subway seats.

The parking spaces in the OP belong to Perth city council, not a store.

If someone gives all the girls strawberry ice cream and all the boys vanilla, but I'm a boy and I really wanted strawberry instead, do I complain about it? No. I'm just happy I got some ice cream. Or I just line up in the girls line and get strawberry instead. It's no big deal.

Or you could simply ask children what they prefer instead of making stupid, alienating, stereotyped decisions for them.

 

[Toni]

If you want a 'parents with prams and/or children' bay, then have it. But don't have a women's bay which excludes men with children and does not prevent women with no children from using the spots.

Wait: I thought that the stalls were open to ....whoever. Not only women. They are just supposedly decorated to appeal to someone's misguided version of what women like.

Versus the rest of the world which is designed to appeal to men....

Most make up counters are designed to appeal to women but I don't know of any that won't serve men. Ditto shoe departments, lingerie, and so on.

The real story is that painting something pink is how Perth has decided to make women feel safer. Instead of making car parks...safer.

 

[RavenSky]

Wait: I thought that the stalls were open to ....whoever. Not only women. They are just supposedly decorated to appeal to someone's misguided version of what women like.

Versus the rest of the world which is designed to appeal to men....

Most make up counters are designed to appeal to women but I don't know of any that won't serve men. Ditto shoe departments, lingerie, and so on.

The real story is that painting something pink is how Perth has decided to make women feel safer. Instead of making car parks...safer.

^^^^ that

 

[ronburgundy]

So, I googled the phrase "assault in parking garage" (notice the gender neutrality of "assault" rather than "rape").

The first page of 10 links returned news stories about 6 separate assault in 5 cities (Salt Lake City, San Diego, St. Louis, Dallas, and Durham).
5 of the 6 assaults were against women.

One of the stories had 2 additional links to it, and the 10th link was to a site ("Women-safe-network") designed to spread information to women to increase their awareness and ability of prevent and defend themselves. The only particular type of public place the site specifies as being a common for sexual assault is "Parking garages".

The second page of 10 links also returned reports of 6 separate parking garage assaults in 5 different cites, all of them against women.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Another SJWer in overdrive.

Coming from a regressive left apologist I consider that a compliment.

You could do that, but your post was nothing but a strawman.