Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Jimmy Higgins]

Leaving the US defenseless or impotent should something else much more important around the world happen.

US factories should have been cranking out ordinance on the double.

Seeing Iran wasn't actually a planned out military expedition, there would have been no reason to be cranking out ordinance. Iran was supposed to be like Iraq, over very very quickly with the leadership gone. The worst part about Iran is we are wasting ordinance on stuff that isn't remotely worth using them over.

 

[SLD]

As global oil reserves continue to drop and shipments through Hormuz are once again stalled, oil prices retreat because... umm...

...*shuffles through papers*...

...apparently the markets are reacting to Trump saying he is pausing alleged attacks...

...again.

The oil companies are making huge profits. We're being gouged in two ways.

Yup. Oil prices have been kept low though by a combination of restraints on use, primarily by China, and by the depletion of strategic reserves. But both of these issues can’t last too much longer. The Chinese need to meet GDP goals and they will likely try to ramp up imports slowly over the next few months. Our strategic reserves are down by more than half, and in another few months we won’t be able to dip them any lower. In the meantime, oil companies are making a killing, because Trump has to keep them happy. He certainly can’t tax them.

At some point the markets will eventually get real. They’ll realize that Iran holds the cards, not Trump. They’ll start paying attention to what they say.

Right now, Iran is claiming they will charge 7% tax on all ships transiting the straits. Trump is trying to g to get that number down to only 5%. This is insane. Art of the deal. What a dumbass motherfucker.

 

[SLD]

New reports indicate that Iran and Oman have a deal on the straits and how it will be opened. I’d bet a dollar to a doughnut that the route will go through Iranian waters and that Oman gets half the tolls. That way they can shut down the straits whenever they need.

Additionally, Chevron CEO, Mike Wirth warns of potential oil shortages in the near future. “The situation is under stress and I’m afraid it’s going to continue to do so,” Wirth told CNBC. “We’re running out of time. Every day that goes by, the situation gets more difficult.”

In the meantime, others report that Iran intends to strike at U.S. military targets until Trump is out of office. They are preparing for a long war and see it as the only viable route to regime survival. The war has strengthened the regime’s grip on the people. Now they have someone to blame. Trump is beyond a moron. He is mentally retarded.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[laughing dog]

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We know Trump hasn’t.

 

[steve_bank]

In the news a Trump militry advisor has concluded there are limits to air power!! Wow.. I had no idea. I gues ta is why he is an advisor.

Now Iran is demanding reparations before opening Hormuz. No public insults.

We and the world are screwed.

The only solution at this point is a land invasion and occupation. We know what that will be like.

Trump and all are not competent enough to do it regardless.

The economy appears to be decing from latest reports. We may be in fr a long rough ride.

 

[bilby]

Now Iran is demanding reparations before opening Hormuz. No public insults.

We and the world are screwed.

The world thanks you for that.

The only solution at this point is a land invasion and occupation. We know what that will be like.

That's far from the only solution.

A far better solution would be for the US to pay reparations to Iran, and to slink off home with your tail between your legs.

Of course, there may well be better solutions than that, though they are not obvious right now. But to suggest that only one option exists at this point is insane.

Saving face for the Trump administration, or even for the US of A, is not worth a single further lost life on either side of this conflict.

Grow up. You broke it; Pay for it, and go away before you break anything else.

Nobody needs further US military action in the Gulf. The world would be better if there hadn't been any to begin with, but doubling down on your stupid, stupid error is even stupider.

Just stop already.

Land invasion and occupation? Are you fucking insane?

Just.

Stop.

And admit your error like adults.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Trump was never a heavyweight (intellectually), but he seems to either be lying, mistaken, or quite possibly has no damn clue what is going on.

On Monday, Trump wrote on social media, "I see that Representatives of the Islamic Republic of Iran are asking for compensation for the damage done to them during the last five month Military Conflict (started because, THEY WILL NOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON), even though it was never mentioned in any of our negotiations or meetings!"

Compensation, a lot of it, is mentioned in the Memorandum of Understanding. It included $300 billion of compensation! While it wasn't 100% clear where that money would come from, it seemed doubtful the locals would pay it unless they were desperate to end this immediately. Vance was trying to spin it as a win for US farmers.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Colonel Sanders]

The world thanks you for that.

That's far from the only solution.

A far better solution would be for the US to pay reparations to Iran, and to slink off home with your tail between your legs.

Of course, there may well be better solutions than that, though they are not obvious right now. But to suggest that only one option exists at this point is insane.

Saving face for the Trump administration, or even for the US of A, is not worth a single further lost life on either side of this conflict.

Grow up. You broke it; Pay for it, and go away before you break anything else.

Nobody needs further US military action in the Gulf. The world would be better if there hadn't been any to begin with, but doubling down on your stupid, stupid error is even stupider.

Just stop already.

Land invasion and occupation? Are you fucking insane?

Just.

Stop.

And admit your error like adults.

I don't see anyone here saying we should triple down on this fucking mess.

The smartest thing to do is to make some kind of binding agreement that would have to be slanted heavily in Iran's favor, and for Trump to put as good of a face on it as possible. Then he could slink away from the disaster and still maintain support from his idiot supporters. Then, by the time 2028 rolls around, it'll be mostly forgotten about.

The issue with doing anything smart is a big problem for the Shitgibbon's ego. This tantrum he's thrown would simply not have happened under any other POTUS because advisors would've explained how stupid it would be and any other POTUS wouldn't have seriously considered it in the first place.

Unfortunately, Trump has surrounded himself with yes-men and so they tell him what he wants to hear.

Right now, the most reliable figures I could find is that 66% of Americans disapprove of this latest fiasco. What's shocking is that ~28% approve while the rest are ambivalent.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't see anyone here saying we should triple down on this fucking mess.

The smartest thing to do is to make some kind of binding agreement that would have to be slanted heavily in Iran's favor, and for Trump to put as good of a face on it as possible. Then he could slink away from the disaster and still maintain support from his idiot supporters. Then, by the time 2028 rolls around, it'll be mostly forgotten about.

They already tried that, remember? The "memo of understanding", back when Trump was saying 'why shouldn't Iran be allowed to have ballistic missiles' and $300 billion to Iran (I still think this was the Ukraine deal text they accidentally sent to Iran because this Admin is just that stupid)? That didn't seem to play well with... anyone. The real world steps in as well and become more complicated with the Strait of Hormuz. The US could drop everything today and slink away, but Hormuz has to be resolved still.

Trump managed to take a crappy status quo and turn it into an absolute clusterfuck. There is little way to resolve it well.

Right now, the most reliable figures I could find is that 66% of Americans disapprove of this latest fiasco. What's shocking is that ~28% approve while the rest are ambivalent.

They think we are winning. We showed Iran! We just need to "finish it".

 

[bilby]

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The only solution at this point is a land invasion and occupation. We know what that will be like.

That's far from the only solution.

A far better solution would be for the US to pay reparations to Iran, and to slink off home with your tail between your legs.

Of course, there may well be better solutions than that, though they are not obvious right now. But to suggest that only one option exists at this point is insane.

Saving face for the Trump administration, or even for the US of A, is not worth a single further lost life on either side of this conflict.

Grow up. You broke it; Pay for it, and go away before you break anything else.

Nobody needs further US military action in the Gulf. The world would be better if there hadn't been any to begin with, but doubling down on your stupid, stupid error is even stupider.

Just stop already.

Land invasion and occupation? Are you fucking insane?

Just.

Stop.

And admit your error like adults.

I don't see anyone here saying we should triple down on this fucking mess.

Well I have restored the embedded quote, in which my response is clearly to @steve_bank saying: "The only solution at this point is a land invasion and occupation...". Claiming that as the ONLY solution looks to me very much like "[tripling] down on this fucking mess".

 

[ZiprHead]

I don't see anyone here saying we should triple down on this fucking mess.

Derec supported it from the start.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

They already tried that, remember? The "memo of understanding", back when Trump was saying 'why shouldn't Iran be allowed to have ballistic missiles' and $300 billion to Iran (I still think this was the Ukraine deal text they accidentally sent to Iran because this Admin is just that stupid)? That didn't seem to play well with... anyone. The real world steps in as well and become more complicated with the Strait of Hormuz. The US could drop everything today and slink away, but Hormuz has to be resolved still.

Trump managed to take a crappy status quo and turn it into an absolute clusterfuck. There is little way to resolve it well.

They think we are winning. We showed Iran! We just need to "finish it".

Yeah, I did consider the super sweet "Memorandum of Understanding" but should've included it to say that we're even worse off now than when that Artful Deal, aka piece of toilet paper was secured.

 

[steve_bank]

I think Trump should stand on a tank leading the charge to Tehran.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I think Trump should stand on a tank leading the charge to Tehran.

Trump would definitely do that.*

* As an AI-generated image.

 

[southernhybrid]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/...e_code=1.5VA.Plmq.5ozk-0Kar19C&smid=url-share

Democratic senators have begun raising concerns about the extended deployment of the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, amid reports about poor living conditions and a lack of downtime for the crew after more than eight and a half months at sea.

The Lincoln, a San Diego-based aircraft carrier with a crew of about 5,000 sailors, is supporting U.S. operations in the Middle East against Iran.

In a letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Hung Cao, the acting Navy secretary, Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, described a list of reported problems on the ship.

“There have been widespread reports of shortages of basic supplies, water contamination, plumbing issues, deteriorating mental health, deck safety concerns and disruptions in the mail system, which have caused many care packages in route to the ship to be lost in transit for months,” he wrote about the problems, many of which were reported earlier by Navy Times and Stars and Stripes.

Mr. Blumenthal added that the Trump administration had kept aircraft carriers at sea far longer than usual during its pressure campaign against Venezuela and its war with Iran.

Senator Ruben Gallego, Democrat of Arizona, said in a social media post on Wednesday that he was requesting an overnight visit to the Lincoln for a bipartisan delegation of lawmakers.

“Unlike Donald Trump, I’ve seen active duty,” said Mr. Gallego, who served in combat as a Marine. “The way he’s treating our service members as he carries out this illegal war is not just disgusting; it’s dangerous.”

The Navy is sending the aircraft carrier George Washington to the Middle East to relieve the Lincoln, according to a U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about ship schedules.

Mr. Hegseth pushed back on the reports of poor conditions aboard the Lincoln.

“We make sure that every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment,” he told reporters during a visit to Panama on Thursday. “Some deployments are longer than others, and ⁠I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high seas in those austere conditions with less port calls — it’s incredible.”

Trump and his incompetent people don't give a shit about the people they have forced into this horrible, unnecessary war. I heard that one jumped overboard. It might be in this shared article that I never finished reading. It's so easy for those not involved to sit back and say what should happen while those involved are dying, and suffering. As the daughter of a man who suffered from severe combat related PTSD from WWII, me heart goes out to these sailors and their families, all caused by a man who never served and now violated the war powers of the president and causes all this suffering, not to mention the Iranians who are suffering or were killed, especially civilians.