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Yet another war, this time with Iran

Oh give over with the islam egalitarianism nonsense. islam is and always has been about expansionism and subjugation of the non believer.
Abrahamic culture, from the ancient Israelites to modern Teapartiers to Muslims, are all like that.
The West has enjoyed a technological advantage over islam and its followers, keeping them on the backfoot for much of the last 150 years or so. The tide may well be turning now that there is a fifth column (in the form of mass migration of muslims and radical leftists) in many Western European countries.
Christians both developed global transportation and weaponized gun powder before any other cultures. We raped and looted the planet before the Muslims. And so we are wealthier and more powerful. The US Christians were, for all practical purposes, the only real survivors of WWII.

And now, even Brits are trying to immigrate here. We kicked your ass back in the 18th century. Now you want special rights, but want to ice the central American people who are born here?

Fuck You! Go back to where you came from!

We don't need some dumb ass British royalists voting for the Trump family as Kings.
Tom
 
I don't know what to say. You’re not paying attention to what I am saying. Yes, that's absolutely what Islam is about. Its also about radical egalitarianism among Muslims.

If you struggle with understanding now, I don't know how to put it in simple terms for you

In what way is islam egalitarian among muslims? The different sects scorn each other. It was an blood letting frenzy in Iraq and Syria once the secular governments were toppled.
 
There is an abstract difference between politics and religion, but in a concrete sense, religious schisms and wars are politics. While religion involves ideology and mythology, most sects originate from—or are currently led by—figures vying for power. These leaders often convince followers to wage war, exclude "others," or manipulate systems to expand their influence.

Consider the relatively recent wars between Protestants and Catholics; these were fundamentally about power and politics, and it was political settlements, not religious shifts, that eventually ended them. These schisms were driven by leaders—like the King of England or the Pope—seeking to retain or expand their control, resulting in millions killed or forcibly converted.

There is nothing implicit in Christianity that makes it inherently more peaceful than other faiths. Our current state of religious tolerance is likely a historical accident: the sheer number of competing denominations in the early U.S. necessitated legal protections so that each group could protect itself. This "freedom of ideas" grew out of necessity and good fortune, not necessarily the religion itself.

However, the risk of cult-like leaders using faith to seize control is always present. Hair Furor uses religion exactly like the power-seekers of the past. We shouldn’t kid ourselves into believing that fundamentalist Christian Nationalists suddenly care about feminism when they advocate for war with Iran to "free the women." That isn't what this is about; it’s about the same ancient drive for expansion and control.
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?
Leavitt makes me scream at the TV when she starts a sentence (same reflex I have to her boss.) What a liar, but then, if you represent the absolute emperor of lies, you have to be a liar yourself. She's the same level of obnoxious as Spicer and Huckabee Sanders, and she'll probably come out of this administration with a sweet Fox contract. (There were a couple of other gals who were PS in Trump I -- Grisham and McEnany, but they held next to no briefings and I have forgotten their faces.)

On the war: I spotted this in the comment section to a Chuck Todd podcast:
Well, it's one, two, three, WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR???
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, next stop is Ol' IRAN.

It's really too bad Country Joe isn't around anymore to serenade Trump's excursion.
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
 
Trump is a fucking baby

President Trump on Monday disparaged U.S. allies that he said had relied too long — and too expensively — on American defense, as several of those countries have declined to meet his call to send warships to escort merchant vessels in and out of the Persian Gulf.

“We don’t need anybody; we’re the strongest nation in the world,” Mr. Trump said. He suggested his request for assistance in reopening the Strait of Hormuz instead amounted to a loyalty test of America’s allies. “I’m almost doing it in some cases not because we need them but because I want to find out how they react,” he said.

Referring to countries that have rebuffed, or reacted coolly, to his appeal for ships, Mr. Trump said he had long believed that “if we ever needed help, they won’t be there for us,” and they were proving his point. He added, “You mean for 40 years we’re protecting you and you don’t want to get involved in something that’s very minor?” noting that Europe, Japan and others depend on oil from the Persian Gulf far more than the United States does.

Even so, Mr. Trump said that “numerous countries have told me that they’re on the way.” But asked to name them, he replied, “I’d rather not say yet, but we’ll be announcing them.”

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Our allies did help on various other self-initiated wars. They ended up learning they were duped in Iraq.

And Trump has been threatening Europe over Greenland.

Trump started this war on Iran. Why would these countries want to help when, as I posted earlier, a military approach to opening up the Strait is almost doomed to fail.
NATO Article 5 (the article that says an attack in any member will be responded to as an attack on all, and so requiring member states to act to defend each other, if attacked) has only been invoked once.

On that occasion, every NATO member (along with a number of non-NATO nations) immediately agreed to provide whatever assistance they could to the NATO member state that had been attacked.

That was on the 11th of September, 2001.

When you needed help, we were there for you. That doesn't mean we will blindly back any stupid beligerence you choose to blunder into.
And thinking Americans are very grateful. Very grateful indeed.
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
Or if she does, it doesn’t matter. She’s not smart but she knows her job is to defend Trump no matter how absurd the pretzel twists she must utilize to do it.
 
I was waiting in a doctor’s office today and could not help but overhear an older gentleman opine about many things, including winter tires when eventually he got around to the Iran situation. Which he knows about or remembers primarily because of the Iran hostage crisis, and obviously knows nothing else except that they ‘used to be called Persians’ and that they were ‘always like that’ meaning that some right wing outlet reminded the general public about the hostage situation over 40 years ago and well, he expects that it’s high time ‘somebody did something about it.’ From his tone, he didn’t sound happy about it but accepted it with the same air of resignation that you would accept necessity of finally replacing your 40 years old furnace. One of those things you can’t do anything about.

There has been a concerted political effort to keep Americans from thinking very much about the world at large, especially any place more ‘foreign’ than England. The assumption is that the US is at the top of the world order and really, we have enough on our plates to concern ourselves with the doings of other countries. I get it. It is very American to believe that other folks need to sort out their own problems without outside interference. Mind your own business. Other folks know their own business better than you do. Which coexists within the regional attitude that you just naturally help out your neighbor or perfect strangers who get stuck in a snow bank or bring a casserole to your neighbor whose spouse is in the hospital. You might feel for the family next door when the spouses go at it again, especially the kids, but you don’t give marital advice.

The intricacies of Middle Eastern politics are too far beyond the ability to relate, so you trust the ‘experts’ who, I this case is.., Trump?

I’m guessing if you venture into small towns and villages all over the world, the attitudes are not very dissimilar.
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
Or if she does, it doesn’t matter. She’s not smart but she knows her job is to defend Trump no matter how absurd the pretzel twists she must utilize to do it.
The fact that KL isn't fully informed is irrelevant. She chose to be part of Trump's corrupt organization, and as with the rest of Trump's disciples, being willing to take the job means they are too stupid to perform the job.
 
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Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
Or if she does, it doesn’t matter. She’s not smart but she knows her job is to defend Trump no matter how absurd the pretzel twists she must utilize to do it.
The fact that KL isn't fully informed is irrelevant. She chose to be part of Trump's corrupt organization, and as with the rest of Trump's disciples, being willing to take the job means they are too stupid to perform the job.
Being offered the job means they are too stupid to do the job, the inn relevant qualification is ‘loyalty’ to Trump. She’s smart enough to know why she was hired. I suppose having a very wealthy husband friendly towards Trump did not hurt.
 
I don't know what to say. You’re not paying attention to what I am saying. Yes, that's absolutely what Islam is about. Its also about radical egalitarianism among Muslims.

If you struggle with understanding now, I don't know how to put it in simple terms for you

In what way is islam egalitarian among muslims? The different sects scorn each other. It was an blood letting frenzy in Iraq and Syria once the secular governments were toppled.

You are mixing things.

Sects within Islam are huge. Fiqh, ie Islamic jurisprudence, competing schools, often get along just fine.

Sufis mix with Sunis and Shia with little friction.

Historicaly Shias, (ie Alids) and Sunnis have gotten along just fine.

Extremism has always been a problem for Islam, something the caliphs have had to deal with. Most often the extremists have been radical egalitarians. Wanting to erase all class distinctions. That's most often been the thing within Shia (unless the Shia are in power, and then they forget about it).

The sectarian Islamic violence has almost always been politics and power play. Not doctrinal differences.

The fact that Muslims have been so good at getting along with eachother is why the various caliphates were so massive and stable over time.

The sectarian violence we see today in Islam comes from two movements, which are arguably the same movement.

1. The Muslims brotherhood. Started as an anti-colonial movement in Egypt around 1840, whose goal it was to make Muslims ungovornable by Christians. Unfortunately they have also made Muslims ungovornable by other Muslims.

2. Turkish and Arabic Islamic nationalism. Also Iranian, Egyptian and Berber Islamic nationalism. Started with Atatürks Young Turks in the 1920's. And was Atatürks attempt to beat Europe by becoming more European. Now known as Islamism.

Neither of these movements are particularly old and are purely a respons to European imperialism.

There's more to say on this. When Islam first came slaves were freed en masse (after converting) Because it was hard to justify slavery when their creed emphasized equality among Muslims.

Islamic dress is all about all Muslims looking the same, as to erase the ability to tell which Muslims are rich or not. Any ostentatious display is frowned upon.
 
Islamic dress is all about all Muslims looking the same, as to erase the ability to tell which Muslims are rich or not. Any ostentatious display is frowned upon.
Has anyone told the Saudis and the Emiratis? Or even the Hamas brass living it up in Doha?
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
Or if she does, it doesn’t matter. She’s not smart but she knows her job is to defend Trump no matter how absurd the pretzel twists she must utilize to do it.
The fact that KL isn't fully informed is irrelevant. She chose to be part of Trump's corrupt organization, and as with the rest of Trump's disciples, being willing to take the job means they are too stupid to perform the job.
Being offered the job means they are too stupid to do the job, the inn relevant qualification is ‘loyalty’ to Trump. She’s smart enough to know why she was hired. I suppose having a very wealthy husband friendly towards Trump did not hurt.
 
Has Karoline Leavitt ever told the truth?

Anyone paying any bit of attention to this war knows that Trump was caught totally flat footed.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said in a statement: “As the White House has long maintained, President Trump and his national security team were well prepared for the Iranian regime’s attempts to close the Strait, and the U.S. military is zeroed in on systematically eliminating the terrorist Iranian regime’s ability to disrupt the free flow of energy.”

A better question is, "Has Karoline Leavitt ever been told the truth?" To say she is lying insinuates she actually knows the facts and has chosen to lie to the nation. While she probably does have inside information on whether or not Trump wears a diaper, she doesn't know any more about current events before they happen, than you or me.
Or if she does, it doesn’t matter. She’s not smart but she knows her job is to defend Trump no matter how absurd the pretzel twists she must utilize to do it.
The fact that KL isn't fully informed is irrelevant. She chose to be part of Trump's corrupt organization, and as with the rest of Trump's disciples, being willing to take the job means they are too stupid to perform the job.
Being offered the job means they are too stupid to do the job, the inn relevant qualification is ‘loyalty’ to Trump. She’s smart enough to know why she was hired. I suppose having a very wealthy husband friendly towards Trump did not hurt.
Calling a Trump loyalist "stupid" is a form of tautology. Trump has spent his life building a filter system to identify loyalty and only the stupid slip through it.
 
Islamic dress is all about all Muslims looking the same, as to erase the ability to tell which Muslims are rich or not. Any ostentatious display is frowned upon.
Has anyone told the Saudis and the Emiratis? Or even the Hamas brass living it up in Doha?

Saudis have Islamic dress. The whole point is to not stick out. So its actually appropriate for them to wear western dress when outside a Muslim country. But Saudis still mostly wear their Dishdasha when in the country.

Palestinians have adopted western clothing. Again, in order to not stick out, all men will wear basic suits. With or without the jacket on (because its warm over there).

At work they might wear something more appropriate. But the point is to not look flashy.

The Hamas leadership absolutely follow these restrictions in dress

But people want to look flashy, so in Islamic countries there's convoluted ways to look flashy without looking flashy.

In Dubai for instance the tradition is to have a shitty basic suit with the left arm too short. And then the most extravagant luxury watch they can buy. If you know you know. And if you don't you will just think this is a basic bitch.

Compare it to Turkish dress, where these restrictions are much looser. Guys can look like circus clowns in their absurd oriental gear. Middle-Easterners have quite different tastes in art and clothes and aren't afraid of colour

These restrictions in clothing go way back to Mohammed. Often the caliphs, because some are more equal than others have in true egalitarian fashion egalitarianly broken the bank to look like a prom queen. This has ALWAYS been frowned upon and caliphs have been murdered or deposed for it.
 
Saudis have Islamic dress. The whole point is to not stick out. So its actually appropriate for them to wear western dress when outside a Muslim country. But Saudis still mostly wear their Dishdasha when in the country.
Dishdasha or no dishdasha, Saudis love flouting their wealth. That was my point, not a particular dress tradition.
But people want to look flashy, so in Islamic countries there's convoluted ways to look flashy without looking flashy.
In Dubai for instance the tradition is to have a shitty basic suit with the left arm too short. And then the most extravagant luxury watch they can buy. If you know you know. And if you don't you will just think this is a basic bitch.
Even if I know how much the watch cost, I will still think he is tacky af.
These restrictions in clothing go way back to Mohammed. Often the caliphs, because some are more equal than others have in true egalitarian fashion egalitarianly broken the bank to look like a prom queen. This has ALWAYS been frowned upon and caliphs have been murdered or deposed for it.
By grand viziers who want to be the caliph instead of the caliph?
 
Remember when MAGAtards were worried about all the debt Biden was accruing? Or Republicans saying there isn't enough money for Health Care or Social Security?


"We have plenty of money to fund this war," Bessent said. "This is supplemental. President Trump has built up the military, as he did in his first term, as he is now doing in his second term, and he wants to make sure that the military is well supplied going forward."

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said last week that the extra money was needed "to ensure that we're properly funded for what's been done, for what we may have to do in the future."

If Democrats are even barely competent, they should achieve a filibuster proof Congress in November. I have complete confidence in their leadership fucking it up.
 
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