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Gosh, it's like you think he has a low probability of making America greater than it already is.[...] total batshit crazy.
Gosh, it's like you think he has a low probability of making America greater than it already is.[...] total batshit crazy.
There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
Amen. I would only add, that as a middle of the road progressive, I think HRC is a damn fine choice. I pretty much agree with her on most all issues, and I think she's experienced, intelligent, honest, and tough. Maybe she's too establishment type. Maybe she's not as inspirational as Sanders. But so what? Sanders was never likely to accomplish a tenth of what he wanted to do. Clinton has proven herself a basic competent leader who can manage the affairs of state. I for one have no problem voting FOR her, and not merely against Trump.
SLD
I have always liked that line "Lesser of two weevils".Two weevils crept from the crumbs. 'You see those weevils, Stephen?' said Jack solemnly.
'I do.'
'Which would you choose?'
'There is not a scrap of difference. Arcades ambo. They are the same species of curculio, and there is nothing to choose between them.'
'But suppose you had to choose?'
'Then I should choose the right-hand weevil; it has a perceptible advantage in both length and breadth.'
'There I have you, ' cried Jack. 'You are bit -- you are completely dished. Don't you know that in the Navy you must always choose the lesser of two weevils? Oh ha, ha, ha, ha!'
From Master and Commander.
Whoever is voted in will have grave effects for the rest of the world. More's the pity.
I will regard that comment as an expression of genuine concern when you Aussies volunteer to take back Ken Ham, and pressure the Kiwis to do the same with Ray Comfort.
Well, fair play to America, it looks as if Mr Sanders would not only have been a better but a more successful Candidate. Like the Parliamentary Labour Party here, the Democratic officials had their careers to look after.
The UK labour party can sack or suspend members for being socialists or speaking the truth; Ken Livingstone re Zionists meeting with Nazis, George Galloway for telling the truth about Iraq.
The UK labour party can sack or suspend members for being socialists or speaking the truth; Ken Livingstone re Zionists meeting with Nazis, George Galloway for telling the truth about Iraq.
We are trying, under hysterical attack from Murdoch and his mates, to restore Party democracy, now his puppet Bliar has pissed off to peddle the remains of his arse to the rich.
How you get from A to B there is completely unknown.There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders.
We know what you "think". What matters is what it actually true. Clinton has conflicts of interest, but has the experience to be President. Trump has conflicts of interest, can't stand any criticism (good luck with foreign leaders), he is ignorant of military strategy (yet says he knows more than the Generals... believe me), and he has terrible judgment.Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else.
How you get from A to B there is completely unknown.There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders.
We know what you "think". What matters is what it actually true. Clinton has conflicts of interest, but has the experience to be President. Trump has conflicts of interest, can't stand any criticism (good luck with foreign leaders), he is ignorant of military strategy (yet says he knows more than the Generals... believe me), and he has terrible judgment.Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else.
Ken Ham can come back any time he likes.
Ken Ham can come back any time he likes.
What would it take to get y'all to come get him?
There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders. Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else. The US invasions of Arab countries backfired and the countries taken over are much worse off than before. Libya is one shining example.
You do realize that US intervened in both cases in Lybia and in Syria? with equally disastrous results.There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders. Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else. The US invasions of Arab countries backfired and the countries taken over are much worse off than before. Libya is one shining example.
WTF is this meme about blaming Clinton for Libya? This is such bullshit. The Libyan people revolted against Qaddafi. It was a popular uprising fueled by the examples of both their neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. The US, and Europe, i.e. NATO as a whole, decided on creating a no fly zone in the area to prevent him from bombing his own people. We sure as hell didn't invade Libya. What else would you have Clinton do? Stand back and say let Qaddafi bomb his people from the air? Do you really think if that had happened, her detractors today wouldn't be crucifying her? Do you really think that it would have turned out better for the Libyan people? Given what's happening in Aleppo, I'd say not. Libya is not a shining example of mideast stability granted, but it is not the utter hell hole that Syria is. Clinton was an early supporter of a no fly zone in Syria, and maybe if it had been implemented back then, we'd have a different outcome there too. It might still be unstable, but I suspect without Assad it would be far better off. Of course no matter what happened, someone would always point to something wrong and blame Clinton.
Furthermore, she's not responsible for the Iraq war. George W. Bush is. He is the one who pushed for the authorization for war, actually arguing that he didn't need it, and went hell bent into Iraq. Clinton voted for the resolution as did many other Senators, both Democratic and Republican. It was wrong, but her vote didn't make the difference.
SLD
There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders. Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else. The US invasions of Arab countries backfired and the countries taken over are much worse off than before. Libya is one shining example.
WTF is this meme about blaming Clinton for Libya? This is such bullshit. The Libyan people revolted against Qaddafi. It was a popular uprising fueled by the examples of both their neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. The US, and Europe, i.e. NATO as a whole, decided on creating a no fly zone in the area to prevent him from bombing his own people. We sure as hell didn't invade Libya. What else would you have Clinton do? Stand back and say let Qaddafi bomb his people from the air? Do you really think if that had happened, her detractors today wouldn't be crucifying her? Do you really think that it would have turned out better for the Libyan people? Given what's happening in Aleppo, I'd say not. Libya is not a shining example of mideast stability granted, but it is not the utter hell hole that Syria is. Clinton was an early supporter of a no fly zone in Syria, and maybe if it had been implemented back then, we'd have a different outcome there too. It might still be unstable, but I suspect without Assad it would be far better off. Of course no matter what happened, someone would always point to something wrong and blame Clinton.
Furthermore, she's not responsible for the Iraq war. George W. Bush is. He is the one who pushed for the authorization for war, actually arguing that he didn't need it, and went hell bent into Iraq. Clinton voted for the resolution as did many other Senators, both Democratic and Republican. It was wrong, but her vote didn't make the difference.
SLD
You do realize that US intervened in both cases in Lybia and in Syria? with equally disastrous results.There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders. Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else. The US invasions of Arab countries backfired and the countries taken over are much worse off than before. Libya is one shining example.
WTF is this meme about blaming Clinton for Libya? This is such bullshit. The Libyan people revolted against Qaddafi. It was a popular uprising fueled by the examples of both their neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. The US, and Europe, i.e. NATO as a whole, decided on creating a no fly zone in the area to prevent him from bombing his own people. We sure as hell didn't invade Libya. What else would you have Clinton do? Stand back and say let Qaddafi bomb his people from the air? Do you really think if that had happened, her detractors today wouldn't be crucifying her? Do you really think that it would have turned out better for the Libyan people? Given what's happening in Aleppo, I'd say not. Libya is not a shining example of mideast stability granted, but it is not the utter hell hole that Syria is. Clinton was an early supporter of a no fly zone in Syria, and maybe if it had been implemented back then, we'd have a different outcome there too. It might still be unstable, but I suspect without Assad it would be far better off. Of course no matter what happened, someone would always point to something wrong and blame Clinton.
Furthermore, she's not responsible for the Iraq war. George W. Bush is. He is the one who pushed for the authorization for war, actually arguing that he didn't need it, and went hell bent into Iraq. Clinton voted for the resolution as did many other Senators, both Democratic and Republican. It was wrong, but her vote didn't make the difference.
SLD
You do realize that US intervened in both cases in Lybia and in Syria? with equally disastrous results.There you have it, in a nut shell. Clinton is a vote for the general political establishment that will put very good people on SCOTUS. Trump is a seriously sick and was infected by the alt-right virus that is his base.
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Except Clinton is qualified for the job in several ways where as Trump is disqualifiable in almost all ways but the birth and age requirements.Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody.
Trump is incredibly ignorant. His father taught him how to make money in real estate and gave him a couple hundred million.
Trump has been a petty dictator his entire working life. He knows nothing but giving orders.
From your view they may appear similar.
From mine, one is not so good but pretty much business as usual and one is a horrific nightmare.
I have been following US politics with varying degrees of nausea since Reagan. Even since Bill appeared on the scene (such promise but his lust brought him down) Hillary has given me the impression that she will do anything to push the family forward and get themselves in the limelight. Its all about them.
Your comment "Clinton is actually very intelligent and understands how to work within the political system as well as anybody." is part of the problem. You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
This means they both seem to know nothing but give orders. Clinton is't that pleasant at times to her security staff even if they are one off incidents. I'm sure Trump is also abrupt.
I'm not sure how she is qualified for the job any more than anyone else. The US invasions of Arab countries backfired and the countries taken over are much worse off than before. Libya is one shining example.
WTF is this meme about blaming Clinton for Libya? This is such bullshit. The Libyan people revolted against Qaddafi. It was a popular uprising fueled by the examples of both their neighbors, Egypt and Tunisia. The US, and Europe, i.e. NATO as a whole, decided on creating a no fly zone in the area to prevent him from bombing his own people. We sure as hell didn't invade Libya. What else would you have Clinton do? Stand back and say let Qaddafi bomb his people from the air? Do you really think if that had happened, her detractors today wouldn't be crucifying her? Do you really think that it would have turned out better for the Libyan people? Given what's happening in Aleppo, I'd say not. Libya is not a shining example of mideast stability granted, but it is not the utter hell hole that Syria is. Clinton was an early supporter of a no fly zone in Syria, and maybe if it had been implemented back then, we'd have a different outcome there too. It might still be unstable, but I suspect without Assad it would be far better off. Of course no matter what happened, someone would always point to something wrong and blame Clinton.
Furthermore, she's not responsible for the Iraq war. George W. Bush is. He is the one who pushed for the authorization for war, actually arguing that he didn't need it, and went hell bent into Iraq. Clinton voted for the resolution as did many other Senators, both Democratic and Republican. It was wrong, but her vote didn't make the difference.
SLD
Ken Ham can come back any time he likes.
What would it take to get y'all to come get him?
What would it take to get y'all to come get him?
A setup like this should work
What would it take to get y'all to come get him?
He has to come willingly otherwise it doesn't count.
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What would it take to get y'all to come get him?
A setup like this should work
Is that to bring Ham up or down?
You need someone who can look beyond themselves and neither she nor Trump can do that.
That is an entirely different issue.
The choice is between business as usual and total batshit crazy.
There are primaries for both the Democratic & Republican parties, so they were voted on by the people that bothered to show up for said primaries. Trump got the most votes in the Republican primary; Clinton got the most votes in the Democratic primary.
That is an entirely different issue.
The choice is between business as usual and total batshit crazy.
But business as usual IS total batshit crazy.... It has gotten to a point where there is a valid argument to be made for burning it all down and starting over.
There are primaries for both the Democratic & Republican parties, so they were voted on by the people that bothered to show up for said primaries. Trump got the most votes in the Republican primary; Clinton got the most votes in the Democratic primary.
These were not fair democratic primaries. This was rigged from the start. The only way the people will actually decide anything is through a revolution and putting an actual democracy in change. We need regime change in the US.