Your Silence is Deafening

[Tigers!]

I understand one of the frat boys texted to other while it was occurring "Free pussy upstairs."

Trump is not the only neanderthal walking around unchecked.

 

[Toni]

There are two parts here:
1) The issue of presumed entitlement of males. I'll let Derec defend that nonsensical bullshit.
2) How did this go from expulsion, banning a fraternity, and suspensions to the judicial side of things falling into a black hole. It was like this was following a fair path and then flat out derailed.

Im not certain what you mean by following a fair path? Were you referring to the sexual assault or the thread on what is wrong with women?

A complaint was made. The school appeared to investigate it. Acted on it. Then... it seemed to evaporate. No formal judicial side of things... no follow-through by the college on why there was no judicial side of things. It fell off a cliff and would have remained as such if not for the Civil Suit.

This is what passes for justice on college campuses.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

There are two parts here:
1) The issue of presumed entitlement of males. I'll let Derec defend that nonsensical bullshit.
2) How did this go from expulsion, banning a fraternity, and suspensions to the judicial side of things falling into a black hole. It was like this was following a fair path and then flat out derailed.

In regards to (2), see the first part of my previous post. The actual transcript of the 3-weeks-later documents in possession by the PD contain statements by the complainant that she was definitely raped, but the packet the D.A. received from the P.D. contain no such information. It isn't clear either how much is missing or discrepant between the files. This is what I called a "major screwup." The NYT did a piece on this today/yesterday. I couldn't read it because of the paywall but it made headlines. Other news outlets will probably refer to the article's details.

 

[Politesse]

To much else going. Also, criminal investigation is starting (again?). Cornell's statement on the situation is interesting, in that they seem to have indicated that they confirm something happened, something that required action to be taken. There appears to be uncertainty here and I'd rather give this time to get the details settled a bit more before making broad statements about who did what, when, and the reaction to it by the school and prosecutors.

CBS is reporting two people were expelled, five suspended and having other things to do, fraternity barred. Which begs the question, if this was enough to suspend students for... why has it stopped where it stopped. It appeared there was an investigation, action was taken, the case was pushed to the county, and it entered a black hole. No follow-through by Cornell. No word on what was going on with the County DA.

Toni brought it up in another thread (what's wrong with women). As you pointed out, its not clear what really happened. I said to give it time to for the story to pan out and pass judgement as there are a lot conflicting details. Of course, I got some heat in return from the usual suspects. I think you'll get a pass from then, though for saying basically the same thing.

Ooh, that's me! I'm a usual suspect!

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This article has a lot of details:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/01/us/cornell-jane-doe-rape-investigation

Some things not brought to light in this thread yet:
(a)

Nov. 3, Doe texts one of the men, explicitly telling them that what happened on that October night was not consensual. According to the Times, she wrote: “let’s be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,” using a shorthand for ketamine, “and i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didn’t know anyone in the room.”

(b) In her statement, she alleged someone hit her. She took photos and had bruises.
(c) In her statement, she mentioned how incapicitated she was, but even so, tried swatting one guy away with her hand. She eventually stopped resisting.

 

[Politesse]

A complaint was made. The school appeared to investigate it. Acted on it. Then... it seemed to evaporate. No formal judicial side of things... no follow-through by the college on why there was no judicial side of things.

Speaking from a position of unfortunate familiarity, I will say that this is exactly how our current system usually functions. I would never direct a student to the Title IX office in a case where an actual crime might have occurred, but that's exactly what the school wants us to do. Because the issue can thus be "addressed" and buried. But that premise oddly assumes that social media does not exist. There will be more and more big public cases like this in the coming decade.

 

[Toni]

This article has a lot of details:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/01/us/cornell-jane-doe-rape-investigation

Some things not brought to light in this thread yet:
(a)

Nov. 3, Doe texts one of the men, explicitly telling them that what happened on that October night was not consensual. According to the Times, she wrote: “let’s be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,” using a shorthand for ketamine, “and i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didn’t know anyone in the room.”

(b) In her statement, she alleged someone hit her. She took photos and had bruises.
(c) In her statement, she mentioned how incapicitated she was, but even so, tried swatting one guy away with her hand. She eventually stopped resisting.

The key issue is that according to NY state law, intoxication only invalidates/makes impossible consent IF the intoxication was involuntary.

Whether that law is just or not is an entirely different issue.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Shared NY Times article.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I realize that almost none of the men will believe or accept this. Probably would never even consider this unless they had been rape victims themselves or perhaps someone they cared about was. Even then, there's a lot of doubt.

Unfortunately, that's spot-on. It seems like this skepticism will influence both the prosecutor's decision to bring charges and the jury dynamics if it goes to trial--especially considering roughly half the jury pool will be men. Even with solid evidence, a holdout or two remains a real possibility.

This article has a lot of details:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/01/us/cornell-jane-doe-rape-investigation

Some things not brought to light in this thread yet:
(a)

Nov. 3, Doe texts one of the men, explicitly telling them that what happened on that October night was not consensual. According to the Times, she wrote: “let’s be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,” using a shorthand for ketamine, “and i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didn’t know anyone in the room.”

(b) In her statement, she alleged someone hit her. She took photos and had bruises.
(c) In her statement, she mentioned how incapacitated she was, but even so, tried swatting one guy away with her hand. She eventually stopped resisting.

The key issue is that according to NY state law, intoxication only invalidates/makes impossible consent IF the intoxication was involuntary.

Whether that law is just or not is an entirely different issue.

Speaking strictly as a layperson outside the law, I tend to view things on a spectrum rather than a binary--and that includes intoxication. Applying that here, she may have consented to (or let herself be pressured into taking) some of the ketamine, but that is not consent to total incapacitation. It is essentially being coaxed or tricked into a higher level of impairment than expected.

Even if that argument doesn't hold up under strict NY state law, there is still the physical evidence to consider: her active physical resistance at one point and the physical violence that left bruises. To any reasonable person, both are clear indicators of non-consent. At least some of those present had to be aware of that dynamic--regardless of whether someone later sent that horrific "shop still open?" text. That kind of dehumanization shows a total lack of empathy and completely ignores the signs that she was (or could have been) not a willing participant before anyone else ever entered the room.

So there are definitely some layers to piece through here, but there seems to be a viable case to be made.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This article has a lot of details:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/01/us/cornell-jane-doe-rape-investigation

Some things not brought to light in this thread yet:
(a)

Nov. 3, Doe texts one of the men, explicitly telling them that what happened on that October night was not consensual. According to the Times, she wrote: “let’s be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,” using a shorthand for ketamine, “and i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didn’t know anyone in the room.”

(b) In her statement, she alleged someone hit her. She took photos and had bruises.
(c) In her statement, she mentioned how incapicitated she was, but even so, tried swatting one guy away with her hand. She eventually stopped resisting.

The key issue is that according to NY state law, intoxication only invalidates/makes impossible consent IF the intoxication was involuntary.

Whether that law is just or not is an entirely different issue.

I don't know enough details, don't think I want to, but there is intoxication and then there is incapacitated. And just because there was consent at one point at one part of intoxication shouldn't mean further manipulative intoxication doesn't count.

That said, NY state law needs to change! Yes, there are always gray areas, but a green light to sex isn't a blank check. That isn't gray. And drugs shouldn't be an asterisk for sexual assault.

 

[Toni]

This article has a lot of details:

https://www.cnn.com/2026/10/01/us/cornell-jane-doe-rape-investigation

Some things not brought to light in this thread yet:
(a)

Nov. 3, Doe texts one of the men, explicitly telling them that what happened on that October night was not consensual. According to the Times, she wrote: “let’s be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. i was given more key than i can remember,” using a shorthand for ketamine, “and i know that i told u i felt uncomfortable and i didn’t know anyone in the room.”

(b) In her statement, she alleged someone hit her. She took photos and had bruises.
(c) In her statement, she mentioned how incapicitated she was, but even so, tried swatting one guy away with her hand. She eventually stopped resisting.

The key issue is that according to NY state law, intoxication only invalidates/makes impossible consent IF the intoxication was involuntary.

Whether that law is just or not is an entirely different issue.

I don't know enough details, don't think I want to, but there is intoxication and then there is incapacitated. And just because there was consent at one point at one part of intoxication shouldn't mean further manipulative intoxication doesn't count.

That said, NY state law needs to change! Yes, there are always gray areas, but a green light to sex isn't a blank check. That isn't gray. And drugs shouldn't be an asterisk for sexual assault.

The thing is, being a little intoxicated impairs judgement, enough to make it illegal to drive. Because it’s dangerous to drive a motor vehicle while intoxicated. Because your judgement and coordination are impaired.

 

[Derec]

Regardless of the NY law, they raped that woman.

Independent of this particular case, this is sadly the attitude of much of the feminist left. You don't care about facts or the law, you just "know" that "they raped that women". Especially when "they" are white.

You "knew" with Crystal Magnum and Duke Lacrosse. You also "knew" with Jackie Coakley and UVA.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Regardless of the NY law, they raped that woman.

Independent of this particular case, this is sadly the attitude of much of the feminist left.

Independent of this particular case? This particular case is the topic of the thread. Not your obsession with rape.

 

[Derec]

Then there are teachers and coaches. Not all victims are female; not all predators are male.

Mostly female victims.
Mostly male predators.
A whole lot more sympathy/far less victim blaming if the victims male and the assailant is female. Sadly enough, there is still some projection if the assailant is an attractive female teacher/coach/advisor.

14 year old girl and 38 year old male teacher? Those underaged women will get you every single time.

Privilege is attached to the penis abd testicles. Rich parents ts help but definitely not required.

Bullshit. Female teachers with teenage boys tend to get far lesser sentences than the other way around. How is privilege not attached to "vagina and ovaries"?
Former Bridgeport teacher who had sexual relationship with student sentenced to no jail time
Former Washington high school teacher avoids jail time after having sex with student, 17, while husband was on hunting trip
Former teacher receives no jail time for sexually abusing student
No Jail for Teacher Caught Having Sex With Student in the Backseat of Her Car
Female teacher gets no jail after having sex with a 15-year-old boy. Your take?

 

[Derec]

Independent of this particular case? This particular case is the topic of the thread.

It was a general statement about the Hound's attitude that the law doesn't matter.

Not your obsession with rape.

I did not start this thread, and have only posted a handful of posts here. How is it "my obsession"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Independent of this particular case? This particular case is the topic of the thread.

It was a general statement about the Hound's attitude that the law doesn't matter.

His statement was regarding this case. How can you respond to a statement he made on this case by saying "Independent of this case...".

ld: I hate brocolli!
Derec: Independent of brocolli, hate is a bad thing.

Not your obsession with rape.

I did not start this thread, and have only posted a handful of posts here. How is it "my obsession"?

Are you serious?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Then there are teachers and coaches. Not all victims are female; not all predators are male.

Mostly female victims.
Mostly male predators.
A whole lot more sympathy/far less victim blaming if the victims male and the assailant is female. Sadly enough, there is still some projection if the assailant is an attractive female teacher/coach/advisor.

14 year old girl and 38 year old male teacher? Those underaged women will get you every single time.

Privilege is attached to the penis abd testicles. Rich parents ts help but definitely not required.

Bullshit. Female teachers with teenage boys tend to get far lesser sentences than the other way around. How is privilege not attached to "vagina and ovaries"?
Former Bridgeport teacher who had sexual relationship with student sentenced to no jail time
Former Washington high school teacher avoids jail time after having sex with student, 17, while husband was on hunting trip
Former teacher receives no jail time for sexually abusing student
No Jail for Teacher Caught Having Sex With Student in the Backseat of Her Car
Female teacher gets no jail after having sex with a 15-year-old boy. Your take?

Did any of these non-statistical anecdotal teachers punch the students into submission? Or coerce through drugs while punching?

 

[Toni]

Then there are teachers and coaches. Not all victims are female; not all predators are male.

Mostly female victims.
Mostly male predators.
A whole lot more sympathy/far less victim blaming if the victims male and the assailant is female. Sadly enough, there is still some projection if the assailant is an attractive female teacher/coach/advisor.

14 year old girl and 38 year old male teacher? Those underaged women will get you every single time.

Privilege is attached to the penis abd testicles. Rich parents ts help but definitely not required.

Bullshit. Female teachers with teenage boys tend to get far lesser sentences than the other way around. How is privilege not attached to "vagina and ovaries"?
Former Bridgeport teacher who had sexual relationship with student sentenced to no jail time
Former Washington high school teacher avoids jail time after having sex with student, 17, while husband was on hunting trip
Former teacher receives no jail time for sexually abusing student
No Jail for Teacher Caught Having Sex With Student in the Backseat of Her Car
Female teacher gets no jail after having sex with a 15-year-old boy. Your take?

Derec, I could definitely fill pages of cases of male teachers, coaches and doctors who molested and raised girls and women who got no sentence at all. Raping boys is more likely to get you arrested and tried. Shit how many powerful make politicians are currently serving despite rape allegations? No arrest, no trial, no sentence.

You will never ever read me claim that women do not rape boys, become pregnant by their teenaged students, and so on or that I consider it any less repugnant than when this happens to girls and women. FFS I never watched Jay Leno again after he joked about Mary Kay Letourneau—may she rot in hell—who, btw did receive a prison sentence. Sadly did not save her victim who later married her and had two children with her by the time he was 15. Poor kid never had a decent shot at life.


Please note that I wrote mostly male teachers, coaches, etc. not only but mostly. It is not any less horrific if the abuser is female. But it is much more rare.

Even more rare is gang rapes of boys by female perpetrators.

 

[Tigers!]

Unless I missed it - discussion of the Cornell 7 is not a thread?

Men on this forum, why is there no discussion?

I wonder why Lindsay Clancy has not received a guersney yet.

 

[Patooka]

Unless I missed it - discussion of the Cornell 7 is not a thread?

Men on this forum, why is there no discussion?

I wonder why Lindsay Clancy has not received a guersney yet.

I'm not a retard or an expert, but I i'd like to think somewhere inbetween, yet I'm still confident to say criminal trials only happen when the defendant still has a fucking pulse.

Hope that clears things up.