Male patients asked if they are pregnant at NHS Trust

[Arctish]

And this is what it leads to;

Over nearly 50 years, Leslie Sinclair has given a formidable 125 pints of blood. But on his last trip he was turned away after refusing to answer a question on whether or not he was pregnant. Mr Sinclair, 66, was told to fill in a form which asked whether he was expecting a child or had been pregnant in the past six months. When he complained that as a man in his 60s this question did not apply and he should not have to answer it, Mr Sinclair said staff at the clinic told him they could not accept his blood.

Daily Mail

Meant to post here but did it in the wrong thread in Elsewhere, oops.

The NHS doesn't need the blood of a transphobe. One hopes he is now ineligible to receive blood of any kind and this incident has been recorded on the police's 'non-crime hate incident' register.

Wow, Metaphor. Way to double down on the hissy fit reaction.

In Mr. Sinclair's own words from the linked article:

'I am angry because I have been giving blood since I was 18 and have regularly gone along. I'm very happy to do so without any problem. There is always a form to fill in and that's fine – they tend to ask about medical conditions or diseases – and clearly that's because the blood needs to be safe. This time around, there was a question I hadn't seen before: 'Are you pregnant, or have you been in the last six months?' which required a yes or no answer. I pointed out to the staff that it was impossible for me to be in that position but I was told that I would need to answer, otherwise I couldn't give blood.

I told them that was stupid and that if I had to leave, I wouldn't be back, and that was it, I got on my bike and cycled away.

It is nonsensical and it makes me angry because there are vulnerable people waiting for blood, including children, and in desperate need of help. But they've been denied my blood because of the obligation to answer a question that can't possibly be answered.'

IOW, "You'll be sorry you questioned my manhood by not giving me the MEN ONLY form! I'm taking my blood and going home!" accompanied by foot stamp and audible huff.

 

[TSwizzle]

IOW, "You'll be sorry you questioned my manhood by not giving me the MEN ONLY form! I'm taking my blood and going home!" accompanied by foot stamp and audible huff.

Not what happened, he was not allowed to give blood, he was turned away for refusing to go along with the new religion.

 

[Arctish]

IOW, "You'll be sorry you questioned my manhood by not giving me the MEN ONLY form! I'm taking my blood and going home!" accompanied by foot stamp and audible huff.

Not what happened, he was not allowed to give blood, he was turned away for refusing to go along with the new religion.

He was turned away for not filling out the standard form which provides information on the source of the blood that medical professionals have deemed important.

It doesn't require religion for a man to just say "no" when they're asked if they're pregnant, but I guess it takes a surprising amount of fortitude to fill out the exact same form a woman would be given.

Courage, guys. You can do this. I believe in you!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Just to add one more bit if anecdotal testimony to this thread, I have a friend who is not taller than average, has broad shoulders and a beard, and could be pregnant.

You have a female friend who could be pregnant?

Have you notified the press?

Bronzeage has a friend who might not be asked if they might be pregnant in the system you and Emily so vociferously defend, but would be asked in the system I and others prefer.

Only if Bronzeage's friend tells the doctor they are male when they are, in actual fact, female.

It doesn't matter what Bronzeage's friend says, or in fact believes, about their sex. There is no good reason for the Radiology Department to sort the males from the females and have different pre-treatment questionnaires based on their sex. That's just a needless complication. If everyone is asked the same important questions every time, there's less room for error.

"Do you think you might be pregnant?" Y/N

Easy peasy.

Odd, same people are confused about people saying what a woman is, but can't answer that they aren't pregnant.

 

[TSwizzle]

It doesn't require religion for a man to just say "no" when they're asked if they're pregnant, but I guess it takes a surprising amount of fortitude to fill out the exact same form a woman would be given.

There could be a compromise where the men can simply state, NA or not applicable but the high priests will never compromise, it is better that the sick be sacrificed through a lack of blood than to give in to the heretics. A small price to pay for the new religion.

 

[Arctish]

It doesn't require religion for a man to just say "no" when they're asked if they're pregnant, but I guess it takes a surprising amount of fortitude to fill out the exact same form a woman would be given.

There could be a compromise where the men can simply state, NA or not applicable but the high priests will never compromise, it is better that the sick be sacrificed through a lack of blood than to give in to the heretics. A small price to pay for the new religion.

High priests sacrificing the sick so that heretics don't get to decide what questions should be on medical forms? A lack of blood because men won't be able to say N/A when something doesn't apply to them or their medical condition? Gee, that's not hyperbolic at all.

I sure hope no one asks me if I might have an enlarged prostate because if I can't say N/A I'll have to say 'no' and that would be so utterly unremarkable I might not even notice.

 

[Toni]

We keep forgetting: For men, the absolute worst insult imaginable is to be thought to be female.

 

[TSwizzle]

High priests sacrificing the sick so that heretics don't get to decide what questions should be on medical forms? A lack of blood because men won't be able to say N/A when something doesn't apply to them or their medical condition? Gee, that's not hyperbolic at all.

Don’t blame the the player. He was turned away.

 

[Arctish]

We keep forgetting: For men, the absolute worst insult imaginable is to be thought to be female.

Sad but true.

I think Metaphor hit the nail on the head when he said some men would find it "insulting and demeaning" to be asked the same questions a woman would be asked. Mr. Sinclair appears to be one of them.

 

[Arctish]

High priests sacrificing the sick so that heretics don't get to decide what questions should be on medical forms? A lack of blood because men won't be able to say N/A when something doesn't apply to them or their medical condition? Gee, that's not hyperbolic at all.

Don’t blame the the player. He was turned away.

He was turned away for not filling out the standard form which provides information on the source of the blood.

Those questions aren't there for shits and giggles. Blood without proper documentation shouldn't be used, and for good reason.

 

[TSwizzle]

High priests sacrificing the sick so that heretics don't get to decide what questions should be on medical forms? A lack of blood because men won't be able to say N/A when something doesn't apply to them or their medical condition? Gee, that's not hyperbolic at all.

Don’t blame the the player. He was turned away.

He was turned away for not filling out the standard form which provides information on the source of the blood.

Those questions aren't there for shits and giggles. Blood without proper documentation shouldn't be used, and for good reason.

That question was not a medical question, it was a question for some “inclusivity” bullshit and some people are not going along with the new religion. It appears inclusiveness is more important than patient care in the NHS.

 

[Arctish]

He was turned away for not filling out the standard form which provides information on the source of the blood.

Those questions aren't there for shits and giggles. Blood without proper documentation shouldn't be used, and for good reason.

That question was not a medical question, it was a question for some “inclusivity” bullshit and some people are not going along with the new religion. It appears inclusiveness is more important that patient care in the NHS.

The article you linked says:

Pregnant women must wait six months after giving birth to donate blood

A quick Google search reveals why:

Blood donation can be a simple way to help people in crises. But pregnant women are not eligible to donate blood.

So it is a medical question that's been appearing on blood donation forms for years. But now that men are being treated the same as women it's suddenly controversial because <reasons>.

 

[TSwizzle]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

 

[Arctish]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

Mr. Sinclair could have just written 'no' on that line on the form but chose to make a martyr of himself in his own mind instead, even though he believes sick people will suffer as a consequence.

I don't see a new patron saint. I someone clinging to the sexist notion that men are demeaned when medical forms are sex- and gender-neutral.

 

[TSwizzle]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

Mr. Sinclair could have just written 'no' on that line on the form

Why should Mr Sinclair be obligated to bow down to this new extreme religion? Why did staff not accommodate this man? Why was it so important to them (and you) that Mr Sinclair mark his form, knowing full well that Mr Sinclair was male and couldn’t possibly be pregnant? It wasn’t for medical reasons that’s for sure.

but chose to make a martyr of himself in his own mind instead, even though he believes sick people will suffer as a consequence.

Mr Sinclair was turned away. Inclusiveness is obviously more important to the NHS.

I don't see a new patron saint. I someone clinging to the sexist notion that men are demeaned when medical forms are sex- and gender-neutral.

Pregnancy is not gender neutral you silly goose.

 

[Arctish]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

Mr. Sinclair could have just written 'no' on that line on the form

Why should Mr Sinclair be obligated to bow down to this new extreme religion? Why did staff not accommodate this man? Why was it so important to them (and you) that Mr Sinclair mark his form, knowing full well that Mr Sinclair was male and couldn’t possibly be pregnant? It wasn’t for medical reasons that’s for sure.

Why do you call it bowing down?

Mr. Sinclair had to answer all the questions on the new standardized form in order for his blood donation to be accepted. He refused. So he didn't give blood that day. It appears the reason he refused was because he didn't like the question, and the reason he didn't like it is because he's ridiculously sexist enough to think it's an insult for him to be asked the same questions that women are asked.

If you think he's deserving of sympathy, go right ahead and give him your best. His injuries are self inflicted, but whatever.

but chose to make a martyr of himself in his own mind instead, even though he believes sick people will suffer as a consequence.

Mr Sinclair was turned away. Inclusiveness is obviously more important to the NHS.

I don't see a new patron saint. I someone clinging to the sexist notion that men are demeaned when medical forms are sex- and gender-neutral.

Pregnancy is not gender neutral you silly goose.

Medical forms are, you silly gosling. Especially now that medical information is kept on databases instead of in handwritten notes.

 

[Swammerdami]

Let's Go Brandon!

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

It sounds like 1 or 2 seconds — no, let's call it Billions of nanoseconds — are wasted checking a box whenever a man donates blood. Or make that 7 or 8 seconds to account for the inevitable sarcastic joke. If someone donates blood every week this will amount to almost 0.006% of his working time (assuming he feels the need to repeat his sarcastic joke every week). Is this gigantic waste of human labor contributing to the stagflation?

If the truth be told, I'll bet Mr. Swizzle — and others, I'm also guilty — have wasted even more than 8 seconds just posting in this thread! I suppose the time Mr. Swizzle spends whingeing must also be billed to the hyper-woke baby-killing supporters of rigged voting machines and Jewish space lasers. Let's all stop worrying about climate change, inflation and war and focus on the more insidious pregnancy box-checking instead! (And is the pregnancy box checking just a distraction so you don't notice your kid being abducted and sent off to the pizzeria?)

Less of a concern is that the most hard-core "anti-woke" whingers will walk away, refusing to donate blood to the Communist-run blood bank which demands that the man divulge his secret pregnancy status. But some will treat this as a benefit: The whingers apparently have antigens to counteract against rational thought; might not the whingers' blood have some of these antigens?

 

[Metaphor]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

Mr. Sinclair could have just written 'no' on that line on the form

Why should Mr Sinclair be obligated to bow down to this new extreme religion? Why did staff not accommodate this man? Why was it so important to them (and you) that Mr Sinclair mark his form, knowing full well that Mr Sinclair was male and couldn’t possibly be pregnant? It wasn’t for medical reasons that’s for sure.

Why do you call it bowing down?

Mr. Sinclair had to answer all the questions on the new standardized form in order for his blood donation to be accepted. He refused. So he didn't give blood that day. It appears the reason he refused was because he didn't like the question, and the reason he didn't like it is because he's ridiculously sexist enough to think it's an insult for him to be asked the same questions that women are asked.

If you think he's deserving of sympathy, go right ahead and give him your best. His injuries are self inflicted, but whatever.

but chose to make a martyr of himself in his own mind instead, even though he believes sick people will suffer as a consequence.

Mr Sinclair was turned away. Inclusiveness is obviously more important to the NHS.

I don't see a new patron saint. I someone clinging to the sexist notion that men are demeaned when medical forms are sex- and gender-neutral.

Pregnancy is not gender neutral you silly goose.

Medical forms are, you silly gosling. Especially now that medical information is kept on databases instead of in handwritten notes.

Evidently, they were, once upon a time, not sex-neutral. Else, these changes made solely to cater to trans activists would not have been made.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

High priests sacrificing the sick so that heretics don't get to decide what questions should be on medical forms? A lack of blood because men won't be able to say N/A when something doesn't apply to them or their medical condition? Gee, that's not hyperbolic at all.

Don’t blame the the player. He was turned away.

He has my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A quick Google search reveals

A quick glance at Mr Sinclair or the fact his medical record states he’s male reveals he can’t be pregnant and never has been pregnant. But the new religion dictates he must bow down in pious reverence or be turned away. He was turned away, amen.

Mr. Sinclair could have just written 'no' on that line on the form

Why should Mr Sinclair be obligated to bow down to this new extreme religion? Why did staff not accommodate this man? Why was it so important to them (and you) that Mr Sinclair mark his form, knowing full well that Mr Sinclair was male and couldn’t possibly be pregnant? It wasn’t for medical reasons that’s for sure.

but chose to make a martyr of himself in his own mind instead, even though he believes sick people will suffer as a consequence.

Mr Sinclair was turned away. Inclusiveness is obviously more important to the NHS.

I don't see a new patron saint. I someone clinging to the sexist notion that men are demeaned when medical forms are sex- and gender-neutral.

Pregnancy is not gender neutral you silly goose.

I’m certain the questionaire asked if he took illegal drugs, among other questions. That was okay, but pregnancy was a bridge too far?