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Mar-a-Largo raided by FBI?

Then please enlighten my ingnorance. When it comes to spending actual jail time in the cell, what really is the difference between Trump and Hillary?
I mention jail time because it is a data point that can't be talked around politicially. Either you were convicted with enough evidence to go to jail or you haven't. There is no ambiquity...its a binary one or a zero. And the justice sytem for Trump is and will be the same justice system that Hillary and the rest of them operate in.

By this metric, If Trump is a law abiding citizen, then so was Al Capone, whose only misbehaviour consisted of making half a dozen mistakes in filing his taxes.

When you abandon reason in favour of stupid and irrelevant metrics, you can show any two people to be equivalent in their criminality; Which is great if you only want to claim that "Hillary is just as bad as Trump", but makes you look a right tit when you realise you just "proved" that Trump is just as bad as Al Capone (a claim that is also FAR better supported by the ancillary evidence that your daft metric discards, btw).
 
One of the cites from the warrant is possible violation of the espionage act. I called it.

Reality Winner got five years in jail for one 5 page document.
 
Breitbart, the wall Street Journal and FOX News all received leaked copies of the unredacted warrant, with the agent's names visible. Gee, I wonder who that came from.
 
Breitbart, the wall Street Journal and FOX News all received leaked copies of the unredacted warrant, with the agent's names visible. Gee, I wonder who that came from.
A pretty shitty think to publicize since the FBI agents are just doing their jobs. WSJ should be ashamed. No point in adding the other outlets because they have no integrity.
 
Trump is officially under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, which carries fines and a prison sentence. At this point, I'm guessing that a conviction would just lead to fines in his case, and maybe a suspended sentence. They won't put a former president in jail for this, especially not Trump. If it could be shown that he leaked these materials to his Russian friends, that would be a different situation.
 
Breitbart, the wall Street Journal and FOX News all received leaked copies of the unredacted warrant, with the agent's names visible. Gee, I wonder who that came from.
A pretty shitty think to publicize since the FBI agents are just doing their jobs. WSJ should be ashamed. No point in adding the other outlets because they have no integrity.
Jesus Christ! Fox and WSJ just painted targets on the backs of the FBI agents for life. They'll need protective service from the crazy magaQ's!
 
Trump is officially under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, which carries fines and a prison sentence. At this point, I'm guessing that a conviction would just lead to fines in his case, and maybe a suspended sentence. They won't put a former president in jail for this, especially not Trump. If it could be shown that he leaked these materials to his Russian friends, that would be a different situation.
I'm not sure the chorus from the left will allow this to go unpunished with just a fine.
 
Trump is officially under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, which carries fines and a prison sentence. At this point, I'm guessing that a conviction would just lead to fines in his case, and maybe a suspended sentence. They won't put a former president in jail for this, especially not Trump. If it could be shown that he leaked these materials to his Russian friends, that would be a different situation.
I'm not sure the chorus from the left will allow this to go unpunished with just a fine.
Well, I believe that Trump himself upgraded the penalty for stealing secret documents while Trump was an office. We should probably not deviate in order to remain non-partisan on this!
 
Trump is officially under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, which carries fines and a prison sentence. At this point, I'm guessing that a conviction would just lead to fines in his case, and maybe a suspended sentence. They won't put a former president in jail for this, especially not Trump. If it could be shown that he leaked these materials to his Russian friends, that would be a different situation.
I'm not sure the chorus from the left will allow this to go unpunished with just a fine.
Well, I believe that Trump himself upgraded the penalty for stealing secret documents while Trump was an office. We should probably not deviate in order to remain non-partisan on this!
Indeed - it could become the new metaphor, replacing “hoisted by his own petard”.
 
 
Trump is officially under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, which carries fines and a prison sentence. At this point, I'm guessing that a conviction would just lead to fines in his case, and maybe a suspended sentence. They won't put a former president in jail for this, especially not Trump. If it could be shown that he leaked these materials to his Russian friends, that would be a different situation.
I'm not sure the chorus from the left will allow this to go unpunished with just a fine.
Im sure you meant “the chorus from the law-abiding”. Autocorrect is such a pain.
 
This is an interesting article.

That's what I used to do for a living, for more than two decades.

SIGINT is the intercept and analysis of signals, usually electronic but not always. Most of the time those signals are some form of communication, between humans, between machines, between instruments, and any of myriad variations in between. But SIGINT may also be derived from non-communications signals such as radar or other sensors systems and perhaps other things I'm not going to talk about. It is a vast, vast field of intelligence, broken up into many, many sub-specialties, and it changes constantly following advances in the state of the art. It can involve the intercept of rudimentary decades old forms of communication such as morse code sent via simple on and off carrier wave, to communications so sophisticated that you could barely even comprehend the technology without enormous processing power to assist you. The modern US signals intelligence system is the end result of literally centuries of effort, sacrifice, and expense -- most of which you've never heard of and will likely never know. This source of intelligence, like other intelligence, can give our nation and our allies advantage not just in war, but also in diplomacy, in economics, in just about everything. And yes, it can most certainly be abused (and has been, Watergate being an infamous example and one of the few we can sort of talk about) which is why it is so very, very important to have systems in place to ensure control, protection, and release of that information.

I'm going to focus primarily on SIGINT for the rest of this essay, because that's my area of experience and expertise.

I'll leave the nuclear stuff to those who are experts in that area.

Now, while it's true that a president can declassify most anything SIGINT related, (it's my understanding he cannot declassify information regarding nuclear programs) it's extremely problematic for any president to do so in any sort of impulsive or cavalier fashion.

The fallout (yep, I did that on purpose) could be devastating to national security.
And very scary.
 
If anything, all I'm attempting to do is bring actual facts into the conversation.

No, you're not and incidentally never have. Vague conspiracy theories and false equivalencies will never be facts. You cite Russel Brand as a reliable news source for fucks sake.

There is nothing wrong with being biased and opinionated. But at least be fucking honest about it.
 
Apparently some of the documents are classified TS/SCI, which means you shouldn’t even be able to see them unless you are in a room designed for viewing secret documents. So leaving Them in a store room by the pool doesn’t cut it



Yes, I've held a security clearance and have had to deal with that problem before. The room you are talking about is called a SCIF ( Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility). They can be a real pain because of all the rules. Trump actually had one of those installed at Mar-a-Lago, but it was probably decomissioned when he left office, and he has since been denied security clearances by Biden. It turns out that Biden was fully justified in denying this former president his clearances. The Top Secret and other classified materials were not stored and secured properly for the year and a half that they have been at Mar-a-Lago. Plenty of time for foreign intelligence agents to get at them, since Mar-a-Lago is basically a resort club with lots of visitors. And Trump has been known to pal around with Russians connected to their intelligence agencies.
 
If Trump wants to claim that those documents were declassified by him, then the news media should be able to publish them and Congressional committees should be able to get copies of them.
 
I see that I've called it "Mar-A-Lardo" for so long that I wasn't capable of spelling it right in the thread title. :LOL:
 
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