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US student loans grotesquely high

The cutoff is $125k?

That has to be vote buying.

Where is all that college sports revenue going?
 
I see the current proposal as a decent start. IMO, all undergraduate loans as well as loans for tech/trade schools, and community colleges, etc. should be forgiven outright or very nearly so. But it's only a first necessary step. The real issue is that state support for higher education has fallen very considerably over the past 50 years. As a long term strategy, we need to restore funding for academic programs at public universities, tech/trade schools and community colleges to at least the same levels that we once supported higher education.
 
Th left is buying votes in the mid terms. W are giving you free stuff.
Gee... faced with the tough choice of fulfilling a campaign promise or keeping a boot on people's neck, who could blame anyone for choosing either way?
 
Th left is buying votes in the mid terms. W are giving you free stuff.
Gee... faced with the tough choice of fulfilling a campaign promise or keeping a boot on people's neck, who could blame anyone for choosing either way?
Every other year is an election year, anyway.

What, does the right expect Congress to only pass legislation that helps folks only in oddly numbered years?
 
Th left is buying votes in the mid terms. W are giving you free stuff.
Gee... faced with the tough choice of fulfilling a campaign promise or keeping a boot on people's neck, who could blame anyone for choosing either way?
Every other year is an election year, anyway.

What, does the right expect Congress to only pass legislation that helps folks only in oddly numbered years?
Yes, and only those with top single digit % incomes.
The right body politik is REALLY pissed because the people benefiting includes poor whites that were their voters. It's a violation of the tacit rulebook to poach on the other side's suckers, and an even worse offense to give the suckers a chance to not be suckers.
 

Moreover, public universities are much more expensive compared with when I was young because state governments have dramatically pulled back in their financial support of universities, colleges and tech schools, leaving young people not old enough to purchase alcohol to incur debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications.

It’s simply wrong from a moral standpoint and wrong frim an economic stand point.
Perhaps you Yanks should restrict uni entry to those who are old enough to buy grog?

If your claim that young people are incurring a debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications is indeed true then that is a sad indictment on your education system. Perhaps spend a little time teaching children about loans, debt, its implications etc.? I sure that are many items in your education system that could be removed or lessened to make free such time.
 
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Just to get me up to speed.
Are these PPP all student loans?
If so, how did that Guthrie bloke get $4.3m? What courses was he studying and how many of them?
 
Th left is buying votes in the mid terms. W are giving you free stuff.
I can understand why the like of Ted Cruz or Tom "these boots are made for walkin" Cotton or Fox News would call Joe Biden "the left", but why would you?
I have always been an independent centrist. Spmeomes I agree with the right, sometimes the left. Sometimes I think they are both ceay imprecticle.

Keep in mind support on the left for this is not universal.

I believe in supporting yourself. I think too much social welfare will have negtve long run consequences.

One being the idea taking root that you are entitled or owed something. You don't have to work for it you are entitled to it.

Now Biden is sounding like Sanders. Free community college for all.

There are about 40 million people said to be in trouble with student loans. Does the economy really need all those degrees, and what are the degrees in?

From what I have seen in the later years of my engineering career college educatintion has traded quantity for quality. People who can't speak articulately and compose a coherent paragraph. Analogous to somebody graduating high school who reads at the grammr school level. If you want to pay the money there is alwys a school that will give yiu a degree.

It began in the early 90s when the idea was promoted the only way to get a good life was with a college degree. There are long running shortages in skilled labor areas.

The Occupy Wall Street protstrs were complaining they got a gegree but there are not any jobs for them. Well no shit, apprently they did not take Econ 101. Jobs are supply and demand. An example of an attitude of entitlement.

College was supposed to give students the skills to go out and crete jobs.


Do we really aant to drift into socilaism?

Shoud college be for everyone?
 

Moreover, public universities are much more expensive compared with when I was young because state governments have dramatically pulled back in their financial support of universities, colleges and tech schools, leaving young people not old enough to purchase alcohol to incur debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications.

It’s simply wrong from a moral standpoint and wrong frim an economic stand point.
Perhaps you Yanks should restrict uni entry to those who are old enough to buy grog?

If your claim that young people are incurring a debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications is indeed true then that is a sad indictment on your education system. Perhaps spend a little time teaching children about loans, debt, its implications etc.? I sure that are many items in your education system that could be removed or lessened to make free such time.
I think that no matter how much information and knowledge an 18 year old is able to comprehend, real life consequences and bast sums of money are still kind of like fairy takes. 18 year olds who have, at most, managed to help buy a very dilapidated very used car, don’t truly understand how much it costs to pay rent in a very modest apartment, buy groceries, put gas in the car and pay car insurance and repairs when they come up compared with how much they are likely to be able to earn when they get their first ‘real’ grown up job. It’s too far out of the experience of almost any 18 year old. I gave the example up thread of one of my kids who was furious that I refused to agree to them attending a college that would require a student debt load of at least $100K. ( they did go to that uni—because we negotiated the price down and the assistance up do that it was on par with a state school). The thing is, that kid was always very good with their spending money, worked part time as soon as we’d agree to it and banked almost all of their earnings. And STILL can pinch a penny harder than anyone I know, aside from their sibling and my parents grew up during the Grest Depression! They are extremely intelligent, and deeply practical. But at that age, completely lacked any real context for vast sums of money.

Frankly my kids were really lucky because we believed it was our job as parents to pay for university, we set a realistic budget that we could afford and made it clear that if they wanted to attend private schools, that meant student loans and still we insisted that the loans be very small. A lot of kids, especially those who are the first in their families to attend university, do not have families with enough financial literacy to provide good advice or enough discretionary income to be of substantial financial help. Those are the kids who were really preyed upon by some lenders.

And—there are the parents ( I know some) who actively encourage their kids to take out loans for as much as they can, instead of cautioning them to live very frugally, study hard, spend as little as possible. And some who think that it really is t harder due their kids than it was for their parents. In terms of money: it’s much, much, much harder today —and for the past 25-30 years! compared with how it was for me. I had a couple of scholarships that payed almost everything. The rest I paid for with summer jobs. That’s not possible today. I only got the larger scholarship because my father’s employer offered them to high achieving students.

The real need is to increase state support for public universities to the same degree as they supported public universities in the early 70’s or better, when one could reasonably afford university if one saved money from summer jobs and perhaps parents kicked in a modest amount. I also think that universities need to focus their budgets on academics and much less on on athletics.
 

Moreover, public universities are much more expensive compared with when I was young because state governments have dramatically pulled back in their financial support of universities, colleges and tech schools, leaving young people not old enough to purchase alcohol to incur debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications.

It’s simply wrong from a moral standpoint and wrong frim an economic stand point.
Perhaps you Yanks should restrict uni entry to those who are old enough to buy grog?

If your claim that young people are incurring a debt they have no meaningful experience with which to understand the implications is indeed true then that is a sad indictment on your education system. Perhaps spend a little time teaching children about loans, debt, its implications etc.? I sure that are many items in your education system that could be removed or lessened to make free such time.
I think that no matter how much information and knowledge an 18 year old is able to comprehend, real life consequences and bast sums of money are still kind of like fairy takes. 18 year olds who have, at most, managed to help buy a very dilapidated very used car, don’t truly understand how much it costs to pay rent in a very modest apartment, buy groceries, put gas in the car and pay car insurance and repairs when they come up compared with how much they are likely to be able to earn when they get their first ‘real’ grown up job. It’s too far out of the experience of almost any 18 year old. I gave the example up thread of one of my kids who was furious that I refused to agree to them attending a college that would require a student debt load of at least $100K. ( they did go to that uni—because we negotiated the price down and the assistance up do that it was on par with a state school). The thing is, that kid was always very good with their spending money, worked part time as soon as we’d agree to it and banked almost all of their earnings. And STILL can pinch a penny harder than anyone I know, aside from their sibling and my parents grew up during the Grest Depression! They are extremely intelligent, and deeply practical. But at that age, completely lacked any real context for vast sums of money.

Frankly my kids were really lucky because we believed it was our job as parents to pay for university, we set a realistic budget that we could afford and made it clear that if they wanted to attend private schools, that meant student loans and still we insisted that the loans be very small. A lot of kids, especially those who are the first in their families to attend university, do not have families with enough financial literacy to provide good advice or enough discretionary income to be of substantial financial help. Those are the kids who were really preyed upon by some lenders.

And—there are the parents ( I know some) who actively encourage their kids to take out loans for as much as they can, instead of cautioning them to live very frugally, study hard, spend as little as possible. And some who think that it really is t harder due their kids than it was for their parents. In terms of money: it’s much, much, much harder today —and for the past 25-30 years! compared with how it was for me. I had a couple of scholarships that payed almost everything. The rest I paid for with summer jobs. That’s not possible today. I only got the larger scholarship because my father’s employer offered them to high achieving students.

The real need is to increase state support for public universities to the same degree as they supported public universities in the early 70’s or better, when one could reasonably afford university if one saved money from summer jobs and perhaps parents kicked in a modest amount. I also think that universities need to focus their budgets on academics and much less on on athletics.
There is much in there that applies to Aust. too.
There should be a way to help those who truly need it but a blanket forgiveness is not wise. Does not encourage prudence and those who did not go to uni will wonder why they are asked to give even more to some they would consider privileged.
Certainly looking at how the uni are spending the money that get seems to be warranted.
 
The White House's Twitter account is highlighting the PPP debt forgiveness of debt-forgiveness opponents.

Acyn on Twitter: "Greene: For our government just to say ok your debt is completely forgiven.. it’s completely unfair (vid link)" / Twitter
then
The White House on Twitter: "Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

Rep. Vern Buchanan on Twitter: "As a blue-collar kid who worked his way through college, I know firsthand the sacrifices people make to receive an education. Biden’s reckless, unilateral student loan giveaway is unfair to the 87 percent of Americans without student loan debt and those who played by the rules. (link)" / Twitter
then
The White House on Twitter: "Congressman Vern Buchanan had over $2.3 million in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

Markwayne Mullin on Twitter: "We do not need farmers and ranchers, small business owners, and teachers in Oklahoma paying the debts of Ivy League lawyers and doctors across the U.S.
This places undue burden on those already suffering due to the weight of Biden’s failed economic policy." / Twitter

then
The White House on Twitter: "Congressman Markwayne Mullin had over $1.4 million in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

Rep. Kevin Hern on Twitter: "To recap, in the last two weeks, the "Party of the People" has supercharged the IRS to go after working-class Americans, raised their taxes, and forced them to pay for other people's college degrees." / Twitter
then
The White House on Twitter: "Congressman Kevin Hern had over $1 million in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

Rep. Mike Kelly on Twitter: "Asking plumbers and carpenters to pay off the loans of Wall Street advisors and lawyers isn’t just unfair. It’s also bad policy. (link)" / Twitter
then
The White House on Twitter: "Congressman Mike Kelly had $987,237 in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

Fox News on Twitter: "Biden admin to announce $3 billion in further aid, training for Ukrainian military: (link)" / Twitter
then
Rep. Matt Gaetz on Twitter: "Everyone knows that in a $60 Billion+ European land war, it's always the last $3 Billion that kicks in the door..." / Twitter
then
The White House on Twitter: "Congressman Matt Gaetz had $482,321 in PPP loans forgiven. (link)" / Twitter

I'll be looking for sources.
 
From this tweet and About | Representative Marjorie Greene
Marjorie Greene has a lifetime of business experience, having grown up working in her family’s company. In 2002 Marjorie and her husband Perry purchased Taylor Commercial, a commercial construction and renovation company. The company has since managed a quarter of a billion dollars of construction projects.

I found TAYLOR COMMERCIAL,INC - Tracking PPP - ProPublica and Taylor Commercial,Inc in Alpharetta, GA - SBA PPP Loan Data (Paycheck Protection Program)
 
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