Mar-a-Largo raided by FBI?

[lpetrich]

Trump’s Tastes in Intelligence Were About His Power and Leverage - The New York Times

As president, Donald J. Trump showed the most interest in intelligence briefings when the topics revolved around his personal relationships with world leaders and the power available at his fingertips.

He took little interest in secret weapons programs, but he often asked questions about the look of Navy ships and sometimes quizzed briefers on the size and power of America’s nuclear arsenal.

He also liked the details of the hits on Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Iranian general Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani.

He had no interest in UFO's, but he was interested in the assassination of JFK.

But a look at what most engaged Mr. Trump during intelligence briefings, based on interviews with former Trump administration officials and people involved in providing intelligence reports to him, suggests that he was often drawn to topics that had clear narratives, personal elements or visual components.

...
“Intelligence briefers tried to find a way to get inside his head and would bring along a picture — a chart or a graph or something like that — and hand it to him across the Resolute Desk,” said John R. Bolton, a former national security adviser to Mr. Trump. “Sometimes he would say: ‘Hey, this is interesting. Can I keep this?’”

But there is broad agreement about what sorts of classified information interested Mr. Trump and what bored him. Mr. Bolton recalled once trying to brief him on arms control during a World Cup soccer game and struggling to get his attention.

 

[Artemus]

For all we know, the empty folders may have initially held the documents he tried to flush down the toilet at the White House and he kept to folders so that no one would notice that they were missing. This is idle speculation on my part, but I think that we should keep  Hanlon's razor in mind before deciding that he must have given the documents away, at least until further evidence is revealed. As it is, simply having the found TS/SCI documents at his house is sufficient for a long prison sentence and should make clear to anyone with any brain cells that the he is incredibly unfit to serve as president again.

 

[ZiprHead]

The righties have gotten awfully quiet in this thread.

 

[lpetrich]

So from the looks of it, he would likely not have details on how to make nuclear bombs. If he did, then that would be to sell to some of his autocrat buddies like MBS, rather than out of any interest in the bombs themselves.

Or he could request asylum in Saudi Arabia, and bring along a lot of documents on nuclear-bomb construction.

 

[marc]

Ahh… the real reason to keep classified documents: to decorate his theme bars

Folder Marked 'Classified' On Display In Bar At Trump Tower

This just gets worse and worse.

crooksandliars.com

think the FBI is going to need a new warrant to cover ALL of his properties

 

[ZiprHead]

I wonder how much of that other memorabilia actually belongs to the White House and not him.

 

[Jarhyn]

I wonder how much of that other memorabilia actually belongs to the White House and not him.

There's probably enough evidence in Mierde-lardo or felony theft.

 

[Elixir]

Christ, even Trump knows how to use a copier.

He probably thinks all copiers record everything copied on them.

 

[lpetrich]

Opinion | His back to the wall, Trump again summons the mob - The Washington Post

Richard M. Nixon famously deployed the madman theory of foreign policy, directing aides to suggest to his counterparts overseas that they might not be able to control a volatile and reckless president. Now, Donald Trump and his defenders are using a version of that gambit to deter the Justice Department from prosecuting the former president, arguing that going after Trump would dangerously incite his already angry followers.

Trump had his lawyer deliver this sinister message to Attorney General Merrick Garland — wrapped in a purported effort to calm the waters. “President Trump wants the Attorney General to know that he has been hearing from people all over the country about the raid. If there was one word to describe their mood, it is ‘angry,’ ” a Trump lawyer told a senior Justice Department official three days after the search at Mar-a-Lago. “The heat is building up. The pressure is building up. Whatever I can do to take the heat down, to bring the pressure down, just let us know.”

Then, on Sunday, Trump acolyte Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) didn’t bother with the disingenuous niceties. He went straight to the threat. “Most Republicans, including me, believe when it comes to Trump, there is no law. It’s all about getting him,” Graham said on Fox News, citing the decision not to prosecute Hillary Clinton for having classified information on her private email servers. “And I’ll say this: If there’s a prosecution of Donald Trump for mishandling classified information after the Clinton debacle … there’ll be riots in the streets.”

Or else Trump is simply a whiny sore loser, someone with all the emotional maturity of a toddler.

 

[Toni]

It's one thing to have such material in error and then return it upon discovery

In the case of TS/SCI material, even that would be evidence of a serious offence. Nobody has such material 'in error' without someone having broken the rules bigly.

We know Trumpo did not pack those boxes,move them to a truck, unloaded the truck at Mar-A-Lago, and move them to the closet where they resided for months. Now the question is who arranged this removal, at whose orders, and did they know what was in the boxes? Confederates, or dupes? This is going to get oh so investigated, and somebody is gonna squeal. Knowing Trump, he had a sucker engineer the dirty work. Who?

Correction: Has already been investigated, and said investigation is ongoing.

Again, the FBI has already likely had long conversations with anyone who laid hands on the classified stuff, trying to determine the chain of custody and identify the gaps in that chain. The important (and potentially terrifying) questions that need answers are things like "who saw these documents?" and "were copies made?" and "were they disseminated to foreign agents?"

Trump is a simple man in many respects. He is easily distracted by shiny objects or pretty girls, but while at the end of his Presidency was surrounded by very unscrupulous people who were essentially trying to steal everything they could before they got kicked out by the incoming administration. While Trump was busy interrupting wedding guests at his resort, what were the unscrupulous (and much smarter) people doing with their access to the (for a long time unlocked) storage room in the hallway off the pool?

You’re letting Trump off the hook way too easy. I’m personally of the opinion that Trump is so thoroughly corrupt that no degree of pathology or mental impairment explains or excuses his perfidy, his treachery, his treason, his greed, his lust for adulation.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

We have our share of psychos. I remember a van driving around during covid proclaiming that jeff bezos and bill gates were trying to sterilize us and our children.

They're out there.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

You’re letting Trump off the hook way too easy. I’m personally of the opinion that Trump is so thoroughly corrupt that no degree of pathology or mental impairment explains or excuses his perfidy, his treachery, his treason, his greed, his lust for adulation.

Lots of people fit that description and they are followers of Orange Psycho. People with normal mental faculties keep attempting to understand how someone can act so demented. The problem is that they are presuming that the brain of Orange is normal. It isn't. It sees and comprehends in a totally different language. Is it a pathology among Orange and his minions? Yes. Fortunately there are more people without the pathology, for now anyway.

I don't think Orange possesses the capacity for rational, forensically based thinking. He lives in a world of emotion, impulse, fear and greed.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump lashes out at Barr for defending DOJ search at Mar-a-Lago

Barr said there was no "legitimate reason" for Trump to hold classified documents in Mar-a-Lago.

www.axios.com

What he said: "Bill Barr had 'no guts,' and got 'no glory.' He was a weak and pathetic RINO, who was so afraid of being Impeached that he became a captive to the Radical Left Democrats," Trump wrote Friday night in a TruthSocial post, suggesting Barr is a "Republican In Name Only."

• "Barr never fought the way he should have for Election Integrity, and so much else. He started off OK as A.G., but faded fast - Didn't have courage or stamina. People like that will never Make America Great Again!" the former president wrote.

Flashback: Barr told Fox News Friday night that the DOJ had every right to investigate Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate since there was no "legitimate reason" for Trump to hold classified documents there.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, after reading all 10 pages...

It is the case that the documents seized were nuclear information that Trump planned to give to Putin?

I feel like I didn't actually get an answer.

I did answer. Possession of nuke docs is a crime in itself. Continuing to hide nuke docs is conspiring to commit the crime. Passing them along would be another crime.

Lock him up is open shut here.

Alright, we know for sure that Trump had nuke docs and was planning on passing them to someone else.

I've not been following this news too carefully. Did I miss something?

How do we know Trump was planning to pass on nuclear documents?

Jimmy told me so.

 

[ZiprHead]

So, after reading all 10 pages...

It is the case that the documents seized were nuclear information that Trump planned to give to Putin?

I feel like I didn't actually get an answer.

I did answer. Possession of nuke docs is a crime in itself. Continuing to hide nuke docs is conspiring to commit the crime. Passing them along would be another crime.

Lock him up is open shut here.

Alright, we know for sure that Trump had nuke docs and was planning on passing them to someone else.

I've not been following this news too carefully. Did I miss something?

How do we know Trump was planning to pass on nuclear documents?

Jimmy told me so.

It's not like he hasn't given away our secrets before.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So, after reading all 10 pages...

It is the case that the documents seized were nuclear information that Trump planned to give to Putin?

I feel like I didn't actually get an answer.

I did answer. Possession of nuke docs is a crime in itself. Continuing to hide nuke docs is conspiring to commit the crime. Passing them along would be another crime.

Lock him up is open shut here.

Alright, we know for sure that Trump had nuke docs and was planning on passing them to someone else.

I've not been following this news too carefully. Did I miss something?

How do we know Trump was planning to pass on nuclear documents?

Jimmy told me so.

No. Please reread (read?) post again.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Jimmy, every time I read it I see you telling me that we know this.

 

[Copernicus]

Jimmy, every time I read it I see you telling me that we know this.

Maybe the best solution is for you to actually quote him saying that, because it isn't what I saw. Or maybe you need someone else to read it to you.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Jimmy, every time I read it I see you telling me that we know this.

Maybe the best solution is for you to actually quote him saying that, because it isn't what I saw. Or maybe you need someone else to read it to you.

Okay then.

I did answer. Possession of nuke docs is a crime in itself. Continuing to hide nuke docs is conspiring to commit the crime. Passing them along would be another crime.

Lock him up is open shut here.

There's the quote. Actually it was included several times before now, but more deeply nested.