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Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

atrib said:
Hermit said:
Oleg said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
You'll get a Presidential Medal of Honor for heading into the Chicago PD (or Baltimore or NYC) and provide and implement the plan that prevents gang shootings.
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NYC - Guillani and Bloomberg era. You may not like it, but it was.
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Was not. Stop-and-frisk had next to no effect on crime rates in New York.
statistics show that there is apparently no relationship between crime and stop-and-frisk: data collected shows that property crime and violent crime in New York both consistently fell over time, despite the fact that the number of stops both increased and decreased during the same time period. This lack of correlation may suggest that stop-and-frisks as a police tactic may be a waste of time and resources.
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Wait. Are you saying Oleg was wrong, simply blowing smoke up our collective ass?
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Of course harassing minorities would reduce the crime rate, why do you want any data to prove the obvious?
 
Derec said:
Hermit said:
Link to a site that proves the poorly formatted student project wrong.
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While the WaPo article I found it in makes the opposite point (not very surprising given it's WaPo), this graph indicates an increase in violent crime and murder following the end of stop&frisk. While correlation does not prove causation, of course, it at least shows correlation, contrary to Philip Bump's claim. It is also very different than the graph used by those students that hides the bump, whether accidentally or intentionally.
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It would be interesting to see where the yellow and red line go in the following years.

The problem with issues like stop&frisk or crime policies in general is that it is highly politicized and also racially sensitive. And the mainstream media and universities (esp. social "science" departments) tend to skew left.
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It dropped then rose--regression to the mean.

Besides, a proper comparison looks at how local crime rates change vs national crime rates.
 
Derec said:
3) Both the drop in violent crime and murder while stop-to-frisk operations were vigorously executed and uptick at its fag end are dwarfed by the by the magnitude of the drop in violent crime and murder rates in the years preceding Bloomberg's mistake.
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Fag end? Homophobic much?
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In most English-speaking countries a fag is a cigarette, not a homosexual.
 
bilby said:
People are shitting in the streets because they have nowhere else to shit. They are homeless, and public toilets aren't available free of charge. Their "crime" is to be poor. Your snarky comments about completely unrelated crimes is a massive red herring; This is the topic YOU broached - people shitting in the streets - and your attempt to hide from your callous disregard for them by talking about the theft of expensive tat is ridiculously transparent.

Why do they need food banks or SNAP anyway? If they have no bread, Qu'ils mangent de la brioche. :rolleyesa:
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A while back I looked up the local indecent exposure law--it explicitly recognizes bathroom emergencies as a legitimate reason to expose yourself, although you're expected to do what you can to minimize offense and you are expected to dispose of any solid waste that results.
 
Enough heads haven't rolled yet. Every damn commander on the scene should have been fired by now.

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“I’m in classroom 112,” the little girl tells the police dispatcher. “Please hurry. There is a lot of dead bodies.”

The clear plea comes in a 12:10 p.m. call from Khloie Torres, then 10 years old and trapped at Robb Elementary School with a gunman who has slaughtered her friends and a teacher. Khloie, now 11, survived.

“Please get help. I don’t wanna die. My teacher is dead. Oh, my God.”

The dispatcher sends out the message to the dozens, soon to be hundreds of law enforcement officers swarming to the school in Uvalde, Texas.

It’s more than 30 minutes since the teenager entered the school and shot his way into classrooms 111 and 112.
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I can't imagine being in that room, and having the horror of maybe dying any moment for that long. This is on top of knowing her friends, teacher are dead.
 
Shooting at Club Q in Colorado leaves at least 5 dead : NPR
A 22-year-old suspect has been taken into custody after five people were killed and at least 25 were injured in a shooting at an LGBTQ nightclub late Saturday in Colorado Springs, Colo., authorities said.

Authorities credit two "heroic" patrons who confronted and fought the gunman.

Mayor John Suthers told NPR's Michel Martin that one of the patrons "took the handgun from the [shooter] and hit him with the handgun to disable him."

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The suspect is believed to have immediately begun shooting people when he entered the nightclub. The patrons confronted him within minutes.

"We owe them a great debt of thanks," Colorado Springs Police Chief Adrian Vasquez said at a news conference.
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Lauren Boebert on Twitter: "
The news out of Colorado Springs is absolutely awful.
This morning the victims & their families are in my prayers.
This lawless violence needs to end and end quickly.
" / Twitter
then
Alejandra Caraballo on Twitter: "@laurenboebert You can take your thoughts and prayers and shove them up your ass. You're part of the problem causing this by stoking anti LGBTQ hate and fighting against meaningful gun reform." / Twitter

Also
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: ".@laurenboebert you have played a major role in elevating anti-LGBT+ hate rhetoric and anti-trans lies while spending your time in Congress blocking even the most common sense gun safety laws.
You don’t get to “thoughts and prayers” your way out of this. Look inward and change." / Twitter
then
Lavern Spicer 🇺🇸 on Twitter: "@AOC @laurenboebert You are pure and utter trash to attack a woman who had nothing to do with this awful attack.
Lauren has never advocated for violence against anyone.
She has spoken out against the transitioning of minors and the sexualization of children in schools.
You should be ashamed, AOC." / Twitter

AOC followed up with
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "
After Trump elevated anti-immigrant & anti-Latino rhetoric, we had the deadliest anti-Latino shooting in modern history.
After anti-Asian hate w/COVID, Atlanta.
Tree of life. Emanuel AME. Buffalo.
And now after an anti-LGBT+ campaign, Colorado Springs.
Connect the dots, @GOP." / Twitter
 
Derec said:
lpetrich said:
Shooting at Club Q in Colorado leaves at least 5 dead : NPR
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Not a school shooting.

Question: why did you choose this case to post in this thread, and not say the recent UVA shooting?

UVa shooting suspect is in custody; the 3 students killed were on football team, officials say
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Does it really matter why? Pain is pain regardless of who and what you are.

The problem of violence is overwhelming. We have had recent school shootings here. a 14 year old ten shot another in scholl in a dspute. A 15 year old accomplice.

Dive by shootings at random. Bystanders killed in gang gun fights.

In Tacoma 3 murders in a short few days.

You ca;;t searte it out. Culture has taken a wrong turn.


When I was growig up in the 60s 50s guns wee easy to get. You could order them mail order for the Sears catalogs. Yet this large scale youth violence did not exist.
 
steve_bank said:
When I was growig up in the 60s 50s guns wee easy to get. You could order them mail order for the Sears catalogs. Yet this large scale youth violence did not exist.
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Tigers! said:
In the 50s, 60s there did not seem to be this vast pool of anger, hatred, angst, bitterness etc. that exists now.
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Large scale youth violence likely pre-dates recorded history, and is certainly a characteristic of every human society for which we have records. Until the Industrial revolution, it was difficult for that violence to become fatal, or to produce mass casualties, but unless you gentlemen were growing up before the 60060s and 50s BCE, your claims here are simply factually incorrect.

Nostalgic belief that one's youth was a better time with fewer hardships, greater nobility, less violence, and more polite behaviour in general, also likely pre-dates recorded history, and is certainly a characteristic of every human society for which we have records.

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steve_bank said:
Does it really matter why? Pain is pain regardless of who and what you are.
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Pain is pain. For the victims and their loved ones. Yes.

This is a politics forum though. We talk about political implications. And if you cherry pick shootings, you get a skewed idea about these shootings. For example, if we only focus on shootings involving AR15s, you miss shootings (like UVA and the recent Walmart mass shooting also in Virginia) committed with handguns.

The problem of violence is overwhelming. We have had recent school shootings here. a 14 year old ten shot another in scholl in a dspute. A 15 year old accomplice.
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It's horrible. Way too easy to get your hands on a gun, but even more importantly you have these young people who now think guns and shootings are the way to resolve disputes. We had a case a week or so ago too in an Atlanta suburb. Two 18 year olds had a dispute inside a Kroger, which led to a fatal shooting. Two 18 year olds - one dead, one going to prison for a long time.
 
Tigers! said:
steve_bank said:
Derec said:
lpetrich said:
Shooting at Club Q in Colorado leaves at least 5 dead : NPR
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When I was growig up in the 60s 50s guns wee easy to get. You could order them mail order for the Sears catalogs. Yet this large scale youth violence did not exist.
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In the 50s, 60s there did not seem to be this vast pool of anger, hatred, angst, bitterness etc. that exists now.
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That was all there. The guns weren't there.
 
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