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My Vision Of Gun Control In The USA

For a start you could consider enforcing the laws you already have in place instead of complaining how hard it is to do do.
As many shootings have shown it isn’t lack of enforcement of existing laws that is at the root cause of the shootings. Everyone is a law-abiding citizen until the moment they first violate the law. If that first moment is shooting in a school with an AR-15 then no existing law could stop that.
So any possible solution is just too hard is it?
That's the dishonest argument that is made after every one of these. Basically an effort is made to make perfect the enemy of good. Let's use domestic violence as an example. Legislation banning people with domestic violence histories is a no brainer. You smack your spouse around when you are drunk and frustrated, what will you do when you get a gun? That would stop a lot of gun violence but it wouldn't stop school shootings so guess what gun apologists say to that. Then there is the whole record keeping of firearms. Basically having the same sort of paperwork for guns as you would have for your car with Vicroads. That's a big no no. Apparently to some Americans guns are less dangerous than cars.

There's a viral video of a congressman who represents the state where the last mass shooting occurred and his attitude is basically, it's just too damn hard.


But you have touched on a logical fallacy amongst Americans, conservative in particular. Two buildings fall down in New York and they tolerate being groped by a stranger in an airport from now on. One kid drops a rock off an overpass and barriers are built up almost overnight. Entire states are willing to ban books because some fucking Karen doesn't like them. But when it comes to mass shootings, no solution is worth discussing.

And the depressing part? This forum is a statistical anomaly. Most members support tougher gun laws in one shape or form moving forward. Go to a message board that predominately has right wing Americans and you will hear some batshit crazy arguments. I'll PM you some of the forums if you're interested.
 
I would force the CDC to spend at least 2% of its annual budget on studies involving firearm related deaths
I would allow the ATF to have the same data collecting abilities as the DMV.
I believe that the CDC has been prevented from studying firearms related deaths, etc. I'd like to see them free to conduct studies as they see fit and funded to do so.
 
Hand guns even semiautomatic pistols are easy to make in a basement or garage.
This. Even without a modern printer, who could not afford to buy a lathe and/or metal working mill?

Ziphead take notice all your do gooding laws which will not affect criminals in the least. And at best, might cause inconvenience for a shooter crazy in the head.

But at worst, guaranteed to increase government and reduce freedom for everyone else.
Really? You don't think it would affect the person who just shot up a school in Tennessee? I believe they are a criminal. As are all the people who have shot up schools, malls, night clubs, concerts, churches, etc. Oh, mostly not criminals until they started shooting up public places but certainly after.

If your point is that this will not stop all gun violence, you are correct. But A) It's a start. B) It would make it less likely that little children accidentally shoot themselves, their siblings, parents or other family members

I will go further into heavily controversial territory and say: Can we stop having films and games that romanticize and glorify criminals, war, gun violence, violence against sex workers, violence in general? I'm really fed up with it all.
 
I believe that the CDC has been prevented from studying firearms related deaths, etc. I'd like to see them free to conduct studies as they see fit and funded to do so.
The one decent thing I will give Donald Trump credit for was that he overturned the Dickey Amendment in 2018. The roadblocks are gone, but the aversion culture is still there.
I will go further into heavily controversial territory and say: Can we stop having films and games that romanticize and glorify criminals, war, gun violence, violence against sex workers, violence in general? I'm really fed up with it all.
How about we just start with the politicians who believe it is necessary to fetishise the things in order to get elected.
 
For a start you could consider enforcing the laws you already have in place instead of complaining how hard it is to do do.
As many shootings have shown it isn’t lack of enforcement of existing laws that is at the root cause of the shootings. Everyone is a law-abiding citizen until the moment they first violate the law. If that first moment is shooting in a school with an AR-15 then no existing law could stop that.
So any possible solution is just too hard is it?
Wow! It seems you didn’t understand my point at all.
 

And the depressing part? This forum is a statistical anomaly. Most members support tougher gun laws in one shape or form moving forward. Go to a message board that predominately has right wing Americans and you will hear some batshit crazy arguments. I'll PM you some of the forums if you're interested.
I doubt whether I could handle easily some of those fora.
 
Well nearly all these mass shooters have some psychological issues in there life. No surprise there. Access to guns is a piece of cake. No surprise there either. I don't think these laws that nibble around the edges, even when enforced are getting it done.

We need a Supreme Court capable of defining "well regulated militia". I think this is our best bet to something meaningful. We need some churn in the Supreme Court and fast. I can think of at least two I'd like to see natural cause their way off the court.
And about there already being too many guns and we just can't get rid of them all is horseshit. Control guns and ammo like we control so many other dangerous substances and make owning a gun a felony and they will work their way out of the homes in a few years. If every guy who spent a couple grand on a gun and ammo and promptly did absolutely nothing with it had to choose between his home and family and keeping his useless gun, he'll turn the gun in. If every criminal had as hard a time getting his hands on a gun as he would explosives, he wouldn't have a gun.

Personally I'd like to see the second amendment repealed. But that's just me.
 
Took a peek to see if Republicans were doing a good job protecting people with their guns.

APPARENTLY, THEY'RE NOT

Looking at a list of States, ordered by the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people in each State...
Turns out that nine of the top ten "most likely to die from gunshot" States are deep red.
And nine of the top ten "least likely to die from gunshot" States are deep blue.
So much for taking Republicans' advice on guns...
 
Took a peek to see if Republicans were doing a good job protecting people with their guns.

APPARENTLY, THEY'RE NOT

Looking at a list of States, ordered by the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people in each State...
Turns out that nine of the top ten "most likely to die from gunshot" States are deep red.
And nine of the top ten "least likely to die from gunshot" States are deep blue.
So much for taking Republicans' advice on guns...
Fake news.
 
I believe that the CDC has been prevented from studying firearms related deaths, etc. I'd like to see them free to conduct studies as they see fit and funded to do so.
The one decent thing I will give Donald Trump credit for was that he overturned the Dickey Amendment in 2018. The roadblocks are gone, but the aversion culture is still there.
I will go further into heavily controversial territory and say: Can we stop having films and games that romanticize and glorify criminals, war, gun violence, violence against sex workers, violence in general? I'm really fed up with it all.
How about we just start with the politicians who believe it is necessary to fetishise the things in order to get elected.
I'm not about to give Trump credit for his half assed 'support' for a bill that he could sign and then turned around and 'softened' the FIX NICS Act, at the urging of the NRA.
 
I think that ammunition is at least as worth controlling as guns -- guns without bullets can't do much.

3D printing is getting good enough so that one can make most of a gun with it, but it will be more difficult to make an ammo cartridge -- a bullet and some explosive inside of a metal casing.

I also like nonlethal and low-lethality forms of self-defense like body armor, pepper spray, and Tasers.
 
I would start with outright ban on media coverage of mass shootings. Social Media included.
No. This isn't an oppressive state, the government shouldn't be allowed to hide inconvenient news.

However, I would support a law limiting any news outlet to reporting once about any given fact about terrorism, mass shootings or the like (Requirements: An act done for attention that resulted in at least one death other than the perpetrator(s)) other than as essential for making things coherent. Deny them what they want most--a spectacle.
 
He already did, as every gun is bought by law abiding citizens before it is held by a criminal. In this paradigm, not being able to account for a gun, or even irresponsibly holding it such that it is stolen (short of crazy things like "they stole my guns by cutting the walls off my house to which it was bolted"), become criminals.
No safe can expect to stand up to prolonged attack. Gun shops get burgled despite extensive precautions.

And your measure will simply prevent straw purchases, it will do little to prevent theft.
 
This will make it much harder for them to get weapons in the first place and will discourage some from trying to. You're trying to make perfect the enemy of the good.
We question the "much harder" part of it. Harder, yes, but since burgling gun shops is already a thing I don't think the bar can be raised all that much.
 
The devil is in the details. What constitutes a "transfer"? That's what drove local support from 90% (polling about background checks) to 50% (how the measure fared at the ballot box.) They had too broad a definition of transfer and no concept of community property other than in marriage.

Which is also why I prefer to avoid the whole problem by taking a license approach instead--checking if the recipient is licensed is trivial and thus requiring a check on a very wide variety of transfers does not cause an unreasonable burden.
Licencing is more practical than repeated background checks, but every gun still needs to be registered by the new owner upon transfer.
Which gives the left it's holy grail--a list of guns to seize if they push through a gun ban.

Getting a licence should also take at least six months and require a better reason than "I just want to have a gun".
Real world result: The connected and those who will pay grease payments (they're just more discreet about it most of the time) get guns, those who are neither do not.
 
Hand guns even semiautomatic pistols are easy to make in a basement or garage.
This. Even without a modern printer, who could not afford to buy a lathe and/or metal working mill?

Ziphead take notice all your do gooding laws which will not affect criminals in the least. And at best, might cause inconvenience for a shooter crazy in the head.

But at worst, guaranteed to increase government and reduce freedom for everyone else.
Your average criminal isn't going to buy the equipment to make a gun. However we already see criminals in the gun-making business making ghost guns, not mere zip guns. CNC mills are now within the range of well-equipped home shops, the idea that we can prohibit a shape of metal is no longer practical.
 
Took a peek to see if Republicans were doing a good job protecting people with their guns.

APPARENTLY, THEY'RE NOT

Looking at a list of States, ordered by the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people in each State...
Turns out that nine of the top ten "most likely to die from gunshot" States are deep red.
And nine of the top ten "least likely to die from gunshot" States are deep blue.
So much for taking Republicans' advice on guns...
Most gun deaths are suicide. Laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals will have minimal effect on this.
 
No safe can expect to stand up to prolonged attack. Gun shops get burgled despite extensive precautions.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.
And your measure will simply prevent straw purchases, it will do little to prevent theft.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.
We question the "much harder" part of it. Harder, yes, but since burgling gun shops is already a thing I don't think the bar can be raised all that much.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.
Real world result: The connected and those who will pay grease payments (they're just more discreet about it most of the time) get guns, those who are neither do not.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.
Your average criminal isn't going to buy the equipment to make a gun. However we already see criminals in the gun-making business making ghost guns, not mere zip guns. CNC mills are now within the range of well-equipped home shops, the idea that we can prohibit a shape of metal is no longer practical.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.
Most gun deaths are suicide. Laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals will have minimal effect on this.
Doesn't fix everything so don't bother. Got it.

You know what else didn't fix everything? The Australian gun laws everyone likes using as an example, Do you know what it accomplished? It changed the attitude of people towards guns, which arguably was even more meaningful. Guess what your approach with accomplish? Nevermind, I'll tell you anyway - a 26.3% increase in thoughts and prayers.

Which gives the left it's holy grail--a list of guns to seize if they push through a gun ban.
Which will happen 6 weeks after the DMV use your driver's license info to take away your cars. Fuck's sake :rolleyes:
 
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