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So you value the second amendment far more than the first? This sounds like a major violation of freedom of the press and I can’t see any reason that justifies it.
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So ... Republicans are more suicidal that Democrats? Or just people in States controlled by them?
That sounds... interesting. I hadn't seen any stats to that effect.
But I'd probably off myself too, if I woke up one day to find that I was a 2023 Republican.
Seriously ... links? Everything I find in my exhaustive 30 second search is about overall death rates, and dropping life expectancies (which of course are a poor showing for the Plague Rat Party, but not delineated by State or gun death).
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Now do another one: the list of states that majority seek to outlaw same sex relationships.
Now do another one: illiteracy
Now do another one: religiosity
I wonder what the predictiveness of each list to the others, is.
Well, I don't wonder much; I think I know what would be found.
You don't understand. You don't evaluate a measure based on how hard it makes a certain path. You evaluate it based on how much harder it makes the overall path. Putting a vault door next to an unprotected door doesn't do much good.
I don't think their gun measure caused the change.
Nobody's trying to ban all cars. Some of the gun banners have said the quiet part out loud.Which will happen 6 weeks after the DMV use your driver's license info to take away your cars. Fuck's sake
Note that I am explicitly not preventing any organization from reporting anything, it just limits how often then can report it. And the reason is because it's the driving force behind both terrorism and mass shooting.
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The difference is, progressives generally know how to actually reject those who harbor a "quiet part". Or at least some of us do.You don't understand. You don't evaluate a measure based on how hard it makes a certain path. You evaluate it based on how much harder it makes the overall path. Putting a vault door next to an unprotected door doesn't do much good.
I don't think their gun measure caused the change.
Nobody's trying to ban all cars. Some of the gun banners have said the quiet part out loud.Which will happen 6 weeks after the DMV use your driver's license info to take away your cars. Fuck's sake
I don't think guns should be banned. I would be a hypocrite for ever begging my dad to take me to hunters Ed so I could learn to hunt. Besides, occasionally shooting animals because they are immediately dangerous, or for food, is necessary for many people.
We should ALL be able to recognize that, especially in a country with as many third-world regions as the United States contains just within the CONUS.
Hadn't thought of that aspect of it, but you're probably right. They don't like mental health care, a higher suicide rate isn't a surprise.
Some maps (these aren't images, they can't be linked directly):
Suicide:
Stats of the State - Suicide Mortality
www.cdc.gov
Homicide:
Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality
www.cdc.gov
Both maps are divided into 5 ranges--and anything that's a 4 or 5 on one is at most a 3 on the other and most of the 4s and 5s are 2s on the other.
You're probably right. I'm sure you know more about it than me.
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Guess what? I think there are as many people who want to ban cars as there are trying to ban all guns. I also think you exaggerate the number because it suits your argument. Call me when senior politicians in key leadership positions are actively saying all guns must be banned.
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So, you believe they should be able to practice that right, but in the name of public safety that right should be regulated?
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If we are unwilling to hold gun manufacturers responsible for gun violence I see no reason to hold the media responsible. And in the latter case the press has Constitutional protections. Sorry, but there’s no compelling reason to infringe their first amendment rights in the way you are suggesting.
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If you already have (access to) a gun, and want to off yourself, you are more likely to use a gun to off yourself rather than using pills, or jumping form a tall building, or hanging yourself. So higher rate of gun ownership would lead to more gun suicides even if the overall suicide rate were equal.
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Um... this is not true.
Firearm smuggling is a thing. Like, enough of a thing that a federal agency is tasked with trying to stop it.
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I'm not going to search through every one of those, just gonna question whether you're actually making the point you think you're making here.
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Alternatively... address the actual problems, and take steps to fix the problem.
Introducing restrictive legislation that in no way addresses the actual problem isn't going to fix the problem. It just punishes all of the not-the-problems.
I'll give an example from a topic I tend to beat the crap out of on a regular basis.
The vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by males. I think it would be absurd to put all males into a concentration camp in order to "eliminate" sexual assaults. I think it would be inane to chemically treat all males so they can't get erections and therefore can't rape people. Those are highly restrictive approaches that don't address the problem.
Higher rates of conviction won't stop sexual assaults... but if the people who commit such crimes were actually convicted at a rate higher than about 1%, that would go an awful long way toward deterrence, I would think. Similarly, modifying the behavioral expectations so that young boys aren't so frequently affirmed that they should expect to get what they want would help. There are all kinds of things that could be put in place that actually address the matter of male violence.
Same kind of thing here. There are problems in the US, and those problems end up expressing in the realm of firearms. But "omg guns!!!!1" isn't the actual problem, and "ban the guns and make them super hard to get" doesn't address any of the actual underlying problems.
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Firearm smuggling into the US is not much of a thing. Smuggling out of the US to Mexico is a big thing.
Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Disrupt Gun Smuggling into Mexico Would Benefit from Additional Data and Analysis
Para la versión de esta página en español, ver a GAO-21-336. Gun smuggling over the U.S.-Mexican border helps the illegal drug trade and has links to...
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I'm certainly making the point I think I am making; Whether I am making the point YOU think I am (or should be) making is up to you.
I'm not going to search through every one of those, just gonna question whether you're actually making the point you think you're making here.
My point is that these places all have different rules, and different levels of ease with which firearms can be obtained; Yet they all have FAR lower gun crime levels, and FAR lower gun deaths, than the USA.
It's very obvious that the absurd claims from the NRA lobbyists that small amounts of regulation achieve nothing, and that the only way to achieve reductions in gun deaths and gun crime is to pass unacceptably draconian laws, are utter bosh.
In fact, many nations have very liberal laws, but still manage to have far better outcomes than the US with its insanely lax regulatory environment.
If the US government proposed to adopt gun laws identical to those of Austria or Switzerland, the NRA would scream blue murder about "gun grabbers" seeking to destroy the rights of Americans to defend themselves.
But as you note, those countries in fact have very limited regulation of firearms.
This problem isn't particularly difficult to solve - but the gun lobby are determined to persuade Americans that it is in fact impossible, or at least unacceptably difficult. But the only real obstacle is the gun lobby itself.
Not one of those OECD countries in my list has banned private ownership of guns. Not one. Gun bans aren't something anyone involved in this debate should have to consider - because they are an entirely fictional issue. Regulations aren't bans. And regulations are sufficient to solve the problem of excessive gun deaths, gun crime, and gun violence.
The US just needs to give maximum prominence to the "well regulated" part of the second amendment, and far less weight to the "shall not be infringed" bit.
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Well, I'm glad you were able to juxtaposition sexual assault with gun violence. Can we stuff transgender issues in here as well?
Guns don't kill people... people with guns kill people. And people with fancier guns kill more people. Gun violence in the US isn't unique in the world, but it is unique in the First World. And saying that the reaction is "omg guns!!!!1" is really short-sighted. The teen walks into Sandy Hook with a large knife, someone can get hurt, but the ability to fend him off by staff is enormously much more plausible than with an AK-47.
My largest complaint regarding your post, and those like it, is this apparent acceptance of the fait accompli of school shootings (some even suggest it is such a small number of total gun deaths, why do anything?). Sure, you don't like them, don't want them to happen, but you seem to begrudgingly accept that they will happen and the only thing we can do to stop them is to attack the problem of gun violence in some sort of sociological way that ignores that men and violence and anger exists in the rest of the First World, but this enduring string of attacks on schools is not a thing those other nations deal with.
The problem is the guns. The problem is that they are readily sold to people intent on murdering many people. The problem is, self defense against an AK-47 is dubious. The problem is people like you mock those that come to a reasonable assessment that guns are a major problem with GUN violence.
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