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George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

You mean the FATAL one?

If Zimmerman stays in the vehichle, does any of this happen?

Zimmerman ignores police advice
Zimmerman arms himself
Zimmerman gets out of his truck and follows Martin
Zimmerman puts himself in a situation his actions created
Zimmerman gets himself involved with a physical altercation with a kid smaller than himself, but evidently he can only successful fight females.
Zimmerman shoots and kills unarmed youth who's only crime that day was doing a favor for his kid brother.

Trayvon doesn't do a beatdown for the crime of reporting him, nothing bad happens.

So you're saying Martin used his Superhuman Negro Powers to determine whether or not Zimmerman reported him for using his Superhuman Negro Powers to figure out which residences among the row of identical residences were the ones that contained the prescription cough medicine he was going to steal and use to make Purple Drank with unsuitable ingredients he had cluelessly bought in his Charming But Dangerous Simplemindedness (all too common among darkies), and that because Martin's Charming But Dangerous Simplemindedness led him to believe narcs could read his mind and would arrest him for the thoughts in his head, he wanted to punish Zimmerman for ratting him out.

You left out the part about gray aliens using the temazepam in Zimmerman's system to alert him to the presence of pot-smoking burglars. Have you abandoned that hypothesis or will we see its triumphant return in a later post?
 
I like these continuous reminders about how racism has nothing to do with conservatism/libertarianism/tea baggism
 
Exposed as a burglar.

More slanderous bullshit
What do you mean? Instead of running away and never being caught, Martin made the more obvious decision to violently assault* the guy.

* - Violent "ground and pound" assault resulted in no bruising of Zimmerman.

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Zimmerman was a threat to Martin--if the cops showed up Martin's identity was exposed.

Wtf???
My favorite part of this thread is that Charlie Brown has been charged again... but the thread has become about how Charlie Brown was violent assaulted by the pot head, burglaring super negro.
 
There is a huge different between an escalation to physical violence prompted by a non-violent action and physical violence prompted by another violent escalation. You can always walk away from someone screaming in your face, yet it is certainly harder to accomplish that with someone on top of you and pounding. [Snark]Failing to make that distinction is revealing.[/Snark]
martin tried walking away and we see where that got him

Yeah, but he was wearing a hoodie when he walked away. And he had Skittles!
 
Please don't get me wrong - I am not trying to justify Zimmerman doing anything more than calling 911 to report a suspicious person. Plausible scenario(s) follow his statement about, "these guys always getting away." That could mean he meant to detain one himself or just follow them - which is more likely? The intent to follow was clearly evidenced in his 911 call. There was no expressed intent to detain and no previous history of attempted detainment of suspects. There was a spat of robberies before the incident with suspects fitting the description of Martin (unfortunately) - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425. And no definitive sign they would not continue. Zimmerman had a gun for fear of a dog who cornered his wife (mostly) and he was not a member of Neighborhood Watch at the time, as I erroneously trotted out earlier.

Whereas following a suspicious person was worthy of punishment, it is not clear who started the physical altercation - Rachel wasn't sure about that either. So how do you choose between two plausible scenarios when neither can be supported without a reasonable doubt?

By evaluating the evidence, and going where the facts lead us, not where we want them to go.

If you are trying to choose between scenarios in which either Zimmerman or Martin physically assaulted the other, and there is no direct evidence indicating who assaulted whom, the next best thing to do is examine their personal histories and look for evidence one or the other or both were likely to resort to violence. There are certain facts in evidence that speak to the matter, and we can directly compare them.

Facts in Evidence:

In 2001 Zimmerman was involved in a fight in Virginia that resulted in police being called and the matter going before a court of law. We know almost nothing about the fight - who started it or why, whether Zimmerman provoked the fight or was an innocent victim. But we do know it happened when he was 17 or 18, and that the court records were sealed.

In 2005 Zimmerman's fiancé sought and was granted a Restraining Order against him. She testified he had become violent over the course of an argument, and that he had struck her in the face on another occasion as well.

Also in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for felony assault of a police offer after he grabbed a cop and slammed him against a wall when the cop detained and questioned one of Zimmerman's friends for underage drinking. Zimmerman later claimed he thought the guy was a bouncer. The charge was reduced to a misdemeanor as part of a plea deal, and later waived upon Zimmerman's successful completion of an alcohol education program.

Facts in evidence regarding Martin's encounters with the law: there are none. Martin's only known run-ins with authorities of any sort are his four suspensions from school. All four incidents were handled at the school level. His transgressions were:
1. excessive tardiness
2. writing "wtf" on a school locker
3. fighting
4. having in his possession a baggie containing marijuana residue.

So at this point, an honest evaluation of the facts leads us to favor Zimmerman as the aggressor, since Zimmerman is the one with the documented history of being aggressive. Even if we suppose Martin was the aggressor in his fight at school (and we have no reason to suppose this), the level of violence did not lead to police involvement or court action, as teenaged Zimmerman's fight and adult Zimmerman's violence did.

Allegations:

A former co-worker of Zimmerman's told the police that he once saw Zimmerman pick up a drunk woman and throw her down onto a sidewalk. He also said Zimmerman could be a nice guy at times but when he lost his temper he became violent. Zimmerman's cousin told the police that Zimmerman assaulted, bullied, and sexually molested her for 10 years starting when she was 6 years old. She also said Zimmerman became violent when crossed.

Allegations made against Martin by first hand witnesses or people with direct knowledge of events: none. Not one of Martin's neighbors, teachers, schoolmates, family members, camp counselors or administrators has ever alleged Martin committed an act of violence, other than the reported school fight.

So at this point an honest assessment of the evidence leads us toward the conclusion that Zimmerman was more likely to have resorted to violence, and Martin less likely.

Now, there have been any number of unsupported assertions, wild speculations, and scurrilous gossip about both Zimmerman and Martin. The overwhelming majority of them are strongly anti-Martin. They are also notably racist, as is the line of argument that denies Martin the same right of self defense that Zimmerman is granted. But their most important characteristic is the lack of any evidence whatsoever to support them. They are all "what if...?" stories and blatant fabrications masquerading as evidence, and they should not be allowed to blind us to the known facts.

The known facts are this: on the night Zimmerman and Martin met, one of them had a history of aggression and violence, and it wasn't Martin. And at this point in time, with Zimmerman's continuing pattern of aggression and violence, I cannot understand why Martin is still being vilified and Zimmerman still enjoys the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Exposed as a burglar.

Or as a black teen being a teen. (You gots to burgle to be a burglar.) The cops would have shown up, do a drive through and wiped it off their monitor. If he was around they would have asked him where he was going and sent him on his way. They have no reason to suspect him of anything.

Until someone matches up the reports with burglaries and starts investigating.

You're forgetting the school cops had already brushed one burglary by him under the rug to make their stats look better.
 
Now this may come as a shock, and most people don't know this, but many (most) black teenagers don't really feel that the police are willing to help them.
That would have been Martin's own fault then.

However, calling 911 wasn't feasible because he was already on the phone when he noticed Zimmerman again, and at some point dropped the phone as far as we know. At which point should Martin have called 911? When he thought he had evaded Zimmerman and was no longer in danger, and hence had no reason to call for help? Or after he was already on the ground grappling with Zimmerman?

He was talking with his girlfriend, he could have hung up and called the cops.

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Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.
 
Or as a black teen being a teen. (You gots to burgle to be a burglar.) The cops would have shown up, do a drive through and wiped it off their monitor. If he was around they would have asked him where he was going and sent him on his way. They have no reason to suspect him of anything.

Until someone matches up the reports with burglaries and starts investigating.

You're forgetting the school cops had already brushed one burglary by him under the rug to make their stats look better.

You're forgetting that bit of scurrilous gossip was disproven long ago. Did you forget the Miami Herald and other news outlets scoured school and police records looking for the alleged recovery of allegedly burgled items, or a school employee who would have known about this alleged recovery that was supposedly never officially reported? Did you forget the original source of the report was a blogger with a history of involvement in the White Supremacist Movement, and of making shit up in previous blog posts?

There are no school or police records of burgled items being recovered from Martin, his friends, or his school. There were no reported burglaries in the previous 12 months within a 10 mile radius of Martin's home and school with stolen items that match the description of the items the blogger said were found. There is no first hand witness to the events that were said to have happened by a racist douche in his known-to-be unreliable blog. But don't let that stop you from swilling from his font of racist spew if that's what you prefer. You can peddle your Revealed Truth as told by a White Supremacist Who Wasn't There if you want to, but don't try to present it as documented fact. Most of us have higher standards of evidence that that.
 
That would have been Martin's own fault then.

However, calling 911 wasn't feasible because he was already on the phone when he noticed Zimmerman again, and at some point dropped the phone as far as we know. At which point should Martin have called 911? When he thought he had evaded Zimmerman and was no longer in danger, and hence had no reason to call for help? Or after he was already on the ground grappling with Zimmerman?

He was talking with his girlfriend, he could have hung up and called the cops.

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Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Well, okay. So how does one not case a house? When we put everything together, simply looking at a house as you walk by it means that you're "casing" it. So, are people expected to walk around with their eyes closed the entire time? That seems absurd to anyone who can see.

And furthermore, what do you mean "Who knows what would have happened?" We know what would have happened. Martin would have gone home and chilled with his little brother, and Zimmerman would have gone to Target, bought his groceries, gone home, and eaten dinner. The end.

There's no reason to claim that Martin was "casing" anything, to any normal person's perspective. And in fact, it was Zimmerman who was casing people, as we heard in his own 311 call.

But regardless, as I said, people are still Stanning for this guy, and it's still completely clear that he's out of control..
 
Until someone matches up the reports with burglaries and starts investigating.

You're forgetting the school cops had already brushed one burglary by him under the rug to make their stats look better.

You're forgetting that bit of scurrilous gossip was disproven long ago. Did you forget the Miami Herald and other news outlets scoured school and police records looking for the alleged recovery of allegedly burgled items, or a school employee who would have known about this alleged recovery that was supposedly never officially reported? Did you forget the original source of the report was a blogger with a history of involvement in the White Supremacist Movement, and of making shit up in previous blog posts?

There are no school or police records of burgled items being recovered from Martin, his friends, or his school. There were no reported burglaries in the previous 12 months within a 10 mile radius of Martin's home and school with stolen items that match the description of the items the blogger said were found. There is no first hand witness to the events that were said to have happened by a racist douche in his known-to-be unreliable blog. But don't let that stop you from swilling from his font of racist spew if that's what you prefer. You can peddle your Revealed Truth as told by a White Supremacist Who Wasn't There if you want to, but don't try to present it as documented fact. Most of us have higher standards of evidence that that.

Source?
 
That would have been Martin's own fault then.

However, calling 911 wasn't feasible because he was already on the phone when he noticed Zimmerman again, and at some point dropped the phone as far as we know. At which point should Martin have called 911? When he thought he had evaded Zimmerman and was no longer in danger, and hence had no reason to call for help? Or after he was already on the ground grappling with Zimmerman?

He was talking with his girlfriend, he could have hung up and called the cops.
If Jenteal's testimony is any indication, he was surprised by Zimmerman too fast to make another phone call. You migth as well wonder, why didn't Zimmerman call the cops again at that point?

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.
We also know that he was not casing houses at that time. What Zimmerman thought Martin was doing is utterly irrelevant - why would Martin be afraid of being exposed of doing something from Zimmerman's imagination? Is Martin telepathic?
 
You're forgetting that bit of scurrilous gossip was disproven long ago. Did you forget the Miami Herald and other news outlets scoured school and police records looking for the alleged recovery of allegedly burgled items, or a school employee who would have known about this alleged recovery that was supposedly never officially reported? Did you forget the original source of the report was a blogger with a history of involvement in the White Supremacist Movement, and of making shit up in previous blog posts?

There are no school or police records of burgled items being recovered from Martin, his friends, or his school. There were no reported burglaries in the previous 12 months within a 10 mile radius of Martin's home and school with stolen items that match the description of the items the blogger said were found. There is no first hand witness to the events that were said to have happened by a racist douche in his known-to-be unreliable blog. But don't let that stop you from swilling from his font of racist spew if that's what you prefer. You can peddle your Revealed Truth as told by a White Supremacist Who Wasn't There if you want to, but don't try to present it as documented fact. Most of us have higher standards of evidence that that.

Source?

I'm not going to do Loren's work for him. He posted that allegation, and he can source his claims for you.

Once Loren has done that, I will show you how the story has been echoing around the rightwing blog sphere and that it was started by one single blogger with White Supremacist ties who is in essence saying he can't show us any evidence- no witness statements, no records, no match to any known burglary, nothing - but we should nevertheless accept what he says is true because everybody knows black teenagers are all criminals.
 
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I'm not going to do Loren's work for him. He posted that baseless accusation about Martin being linked to burglaries and school cops brushing evidence under the carpet. He can source his claims for you.

Once Loren has sourced his claim, I will show you how that story has been echoing around the rightwing blog sphere and that it was started by one single blogger with White Supremacist ties who is in essence saying he can't show us any evidence- no witness statements, no records, no match to any known burglary, nothing - but we should nevertheless accept what he says is true because everybody knows black teenagers are all criminals.
I know what Loren's sources are. What I have not seen is the debunking, so that got me curious.
 
How can Loren provide sources when he thinks there has been a cover up to make Martin seem innocent of all past wrong doing.
 
How can Loren provide sources when he thinks there has been a cover up to make Martin seem innocent of all past wrong doing.

"Evidence was deliberately concealed, and we know it was concealed because nobody ever saw it. Therefore we know something really did happen and the cops covered it up."

Also, Purple Drank.
 
Loren said:
Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.
Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.
 
By evaluating the evidence, and going where the facts lead us, not where we want them to go.

If you are trying to choose between scenarios in which either Zimmerman or Martin physically assaulted the other, and there is no direct evidence indicating who assaulted whom, the next best thing to do is examine their personal histories and look for evidence one or the other or both were likely to resort to violence. There are certain facts in evidence that speak to the matter, and we can directly compare them.

Facts in Evidence:

In 2001 Zimmerman was involved in a fight in Virginia that resulted in police being called and the matter going before a court of law. We know almost nothing about the fight - who started it or why, whether Zimmerman provoked the fight or was an innocent victim. But we do know it happened when he was 17 or 18, and that the court records were sealed.

In 2005 Zimmerman's fiancé sought and was granted a Restraining Order against him. She testified he had become violent over the course of an argument, and that he had struck her in the face on another occasion as well.

Also in 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for felony assault of a police offer after he grabbed a cop and slammed him against a wall when the cop detained and questioned one of Zimmerman's friends for underage drinking. Zimmerman later claimed he thought the guy was a bouncer. The charge was reduced to a misdemeanor as part of a plea deal, and later waived upon Zimmerman's successful completion of an alcohol education program.

Facts in evidence regarding Martin's encounters with the law: there are none. Martin's only known run-ins with authorities of any sort are his four suspensions from school. All four incidents were handled at the school level. His transgressions were:
1. excessive tardiness
2. writing "wtf" on a school locker
3. fighting
4. having in his possession a baggie containing marijuana residue.

So at this point, an honest evaluation of the facts leads us to favor Zimmerman as the aggressor, since Zimmerman is the one with the documented history of being aggressive. Even if we suppose Martin was the aggressor in his fight at school (and we have no reason to suppose this), the level of violence did not lead to police involvement or court action, as teenaged Zimmerman's fight and adult Zimmerman's violence did.

Allegations:

A former co-worker of Zimmerman's told the police that he once saw Zimmerman pick up a drunk woman and throw her down onto a sidewalk. He also said Zimmerman could be a nice guy at times but when he lost his temper he became violent. Zimmerman's cousin told the police that Zimmerman assaulted, bullied, and sexually molested her for 10 years starting when she was 6 years old. She also said Zimmerman became violent when crossed.

Allegations made against Martin by first hand witnesses or people with direct knowledge of events: none. Not one of Martin's neighbors, teachers, schoolmates, family members, camp counselors or administrators has ever alleged Martin committed an act of violence, other than the reported school fight.

So at this point an honest assessment of the evidence leads us toward the conclusion that Zimmerman was more likely to have resorted to violence, and Martin less likely.

Now, there have been any number of unsupported assertions, wild speculations, and scurrilous gossip about both Zimmerman and Martin. The overwhelming majority of them are strongly anti-Martin. They are also notably racist, as is the line of argument that denies Martin the same right of self defense that Zimmerman is granted. But their most important characteristic is the lack of any evidence whatsoever to support them. They are all "what if...?" stories and blatant fabrications masquerading as evidence, and they should not be allowed to blind us to the known facts.

The known facts are this: on the night Zimmerman and Martin met, one of them had a history of aggression and violence, and it wasn't Martin. And at this point in time, with Zimmerman's continuing pattern of aggression and violence, I cannot understand why Martin is still being vilified and Zimmerman still enjoys the benefit of the doubt.

crjq but I think I will just link back to this post every time any incident involving Zimmerman devolves once again into demonizing Trayvon. Thank you.
 
Or as a black teen being a teen. (You gots to burgle to be a burglar.) The cops would have shown up, do a drive through and wiped it off their monitor. If he was around they would have asked him where he was going and sent him on his way. They have no reason to suspect him of anything.

Until someone matches up the reports with burglaries and starts investigating.

You're forgetting the school cops had already brushed one burglary by him under the rug to make their stats look better.

We keep "forgetting" it because that is another fabrication.

Moreover, even if there was any rational reason to suspect Trayvon was a burglar, he had not been at his father's house long enough to be involved in anything there.

Your continued insistence that Zimmerman was right to follow and kill Trayvon because Trayvon was a burglar is just more demonization of Trayvon and defense of a KNOWN violent aggressive thug named Zimmerman.
 
Apparently not. Look what Zimmerman got away with.

Well Zimmerman was not an Urban Youth*.




*Nigger.

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I miss the times back in the day when racists at least had the stones to be openly racist.
. They seem rather openly so whenever they start defending Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon :(
 
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