Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[Copernicus]

Yep. The latest mass shooting in New Mexico involved an AR-15. Another young kid (18 years old) with an assault weapon was able to kill 3 people and wound several others, including two officers, before he was shot and killed.

New Mexico high school student killed 3 women in ‘random’ shooting rampage, police say​

 

[Jarhyn]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

 

[Copernicus]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

Or it could just be evidence that people who live in violent neighborhoods contribute to the number of CHP holders. Statistics are tricky. Either way, though, it is likely that guns are at the root of the problem, since violence-prone neighborhoods are likely ones in which much of the violence involves guns.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Happy 2nd Amendment Rights at Any Cost Day. As a reminder, these children are dead. I can't imagine what it is like to have to go through that trauma. But I can only imagine that it is more heart wrenching that maybe not being able to buy certain types of guns. But... this is America and some people believe that these children and their lives being forfeited is worth the price. I disagree, but what I think doesn't matter. Just like these children's lost lives won't matter either. Just more fodder for a Neil Young song.

 

[Politesse]

Surprised no one has shot up the memorials yet. Do conservatives still think all the grieving parents we see weekly are "crisis actors"?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

Or it could just be evidence that people who live in violent neighborhoods contribute to the number of CHP holders. Statistics are tricky. Either way, though, it is likely that guns are at the root of the problem, since violence-prone neighborhoods are likely ones in which much of the violence involves guns.

Yup. Live in a riskier situation and you'll be more likely to invest the time and money into the permit/gun/training. You would expect a positive correlation between people having permits and anything which increases their risk or their perceived risk but doesn't preclude having a permit. To find such a correlation is water-is-wet level news.

 

[Copernicus]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

Or it could just be evidence that people who live in violent neighborhoods contribute to the number of CHP holders. Statistics are tricky. Either way, though, it is likely that guns are at the root of the problem, since violence-prone neighborhoods are likely ones in which much of the violence involves guns.

Yup. Live in a riskier situation and you'll be more likely to invest the time and money into the permit/gun/training. You would expect a positive correlation between people having permits and anything which increases their risk or their perceived risk but doesn't preclude having a permit. To find such a correlation is water-is-wet level news.

And it begs the question of the extent to which the presence and availability of so many guns in a neighborhood does anything at all to deter, as opposed to, invite more violence in that neighborhood. I suspect that it is the latter, which would be ironic. People buy guns to make themselves feel safer in the face of potential danger, but then those guns are available for other purposes--suicides and domestic disputes with family and neighbors. That would explain the modest rise in violent crime in those neighborhoods. The question not addressed in the meme is the cause of the rise in violent crime. Does it come primarily from people inside the neighborhood or from strangers to the neighborhood? The conversation on Reddit goes into this issue in more detail, and one person who claims to have read the study says that there is some statistical evidence that the perpetrator of a crime in the neighborhood was more likely to live in the neighborhood.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

Or it could just be evidence that people who live in violent neighborhoods contribute to the number of CHP holders. Statistics are tricky. Either way, though, it is likely that guns are at the root of the problem, since violence-prone neighborhoods are likely ones in which much of the violence involves guns.

Yup. Live in a riskier situation and you'll be more likely to invest the time and money into the permit/gun/training. You would expect a positive correlation between people having permits and anything which increases their risk or their perceived risk but doesn't preclude having a permit. To find such a correlation is water-is-wet level news.

Your initial presumption is there is a risk... and the gun is to mitigate said risk. But that is NOTHING but a presumption on your part. People own guns everywhere... and everywhere is not at risk.

Secondly, more guns leads to more gun violence... that is water-is-wet level news... but you seem to not give a fuck about the violence side of it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And it begs the question of the extent to which the presence and availability of so many guns in a neighborhood does anything at all to deter, as opposed to, invite more violence in that neighborhood. I suspect that it is the latter, which would be ironic. People buy guns to make themselves feel safer in the face of potential danger, but then those guns are available for other purposes--suicides and domestic disputes with family and neighbors. That would explain the modest rise in violent crime in those neighborhoods. The question not addressed in the meme is the cause of the rise in violent crime. Does it come primarily from people inside the neighborhood or from strangers to the neighborhood? The conversation on Reddit goes into this issue in more detail, and one person who claims to have read the study says that there is some statistical evidence that the perpetrator of a crime in the neighborhood was more likely to live in the neighborhood.

The problem with your hypothesis is that once again the mixing of suicide and homicide data has seriously muddled the picture.

The reality is that virtually all states with high gun homicide rates do not have high gun suicide rates and vice versa. Clearly there are different factors at work.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

More evidence that gun ownership contributes to gun insecurity.

Or it could just be evidence that people who live in violent neighborhoods contribute to the number of CHP holders. Statistics are tricky. Either way, though, it is likely that guns are at the root of the problem, since violence-prone neighborhoods are likely ones in which much of the violence involves guns.

Yup. Live in a riskier situation and you'll be more likely to invest the time and money into the permit/gun/training. You would expect a positive correlation between people having permits and anything which increases their risk or their perceived risk but doesn't preclude having a permit. To find such a correlation is water-is-wet level news.

Your initial presumption is there is a risk... and the gun is to mitigate said risk. But that is NOTHING but a presumption on your part. People own guns everywhere... and everywhere is not at risk.

Secondly, more guns leads to more gun violence... that is water-is-wet level news... but you seem to not give a fuck about the violence side of it.

Note that I said "perception of risk". It could be a false perception but the data doesn't seem to support it. "Gun violence" that lumps homicide and suicide is bad research, period.

And note that permit holders are considerably less likely than average to commit crimes. It's not the permit owners causing the crime!

 

[bilby]

The reality is that virtually all states with high gun homicide rates do not have high gun suicide rates and vice versa. Clearly ...

...people need to be allowed to kill other people, or they become severely depressed.

 

[Shadowy Man]

And note that permit holders are considerably less likely than average to commit crimes. It's not the permit owners causing the crime!

Seems like a good idea to require permits then, eh?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And note that permit holders are considerably less likely than average to commit crimes. It's not the permit owners causing the crime!

Seems like a good idea to require permits then, eh?

Ever seen me support constitutional carry??

 

[Elixir]

The reality is that virtually all states with high gun homicide rates do not have high gun suicide rates and vice versa. Clearly ...

...people need to be allowed to kill other people, or they become severely depressed.

No worries - SC has you covered.

14-year-old fatally shot in the back by S.C. store owner who wrongly accused him of shoplifting, sheriff says
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The owner, armed with a pistol, and his son chased the teen toward a nearby apartment complex, Lott said, adding that Carmack-Belton fell at one point but got back up.

Chow’s son said Carmack-Belton had a gun, which is when the owner shot him in the back as he was running away, Lott said.

Apparently, the victim should have had six or eight guns, to dissuade the shopkeeper from summarily chasing down and killing him?

 

[Derec]

No worries - SC has you covered.
14-year-old fatally shot in the back by S.C. store owner who wrongly accused him of shoplifting, sheriff says

This wasn't even a mass shooting - only one person was shot. There are dozens, perhaps hundreds, of single victim shootings every day (Chicago had dozens of victims, 11 dead, over the Memorial weekend alone). So why pick this case?

And if this Cyrus was armed, his crime becomes attempted armed robbery, rather than attempted shoplifting. Plus possession of a firearm by a minor.

Apparently, the victim should have had six or eight guns, to dissuade the shopkeeper from summarily chasing down and killing him.

Why? He can only hold two at any time, and even one is plenty deadly.

 

[Derec]

Elixir, if you wanted to be on topic, why not post about an actual mass shooting?

Hollywood, Florida shooting: 2 arrested in South Florida mass shooting investigation, police say

Police have made two arrests in a shooting that broke out during what investigators are calling an altercation between two groups near a South Florida beach boardwalk on Memorial Day. They continue to investigate who or how many actually fired shots and continue to search for possible suspects.
Shortly before 7 p.m. Monday, officers working the beach responded to the area of Johnson Street in Hollywood after hearing gunfire and found multiple people with gunshot wounds. The shooting left nine people hurt, including a 1-year-old.

 

[Gospel]

Elixir, if you wanted to be on topic, why not post about an actual mass shooting?

Hollywood, Florida shooting: 2 arrested in South Florida mass shooting investigation, police say

Police have made two arrests in a shooting that broke out during what investigators are calling an altercation between two groups near a South Florida beach boardwalk on Memorial Day. They continue to investigate who or how many actually fired shots and continue to search for possible suspects.
Shortly before 7 p.m. Monday, officers working the beach responded to the area of Johnson Street in Hollywood after hearing gunfire and found multiple people with gunshot wounds. The shooting left nine people hurt, including a 1-year-old.

If you wanted to be on topic you'd stick to mass shootings at schools.

 

[Derec]

If you wanted to be on topic you'd stick to mass shootings at schools.

Well, more on topic at least. A mass shooting involving children.

 

[ZiprHead]

7 shot outside a high school graduation ceremony in Richmond, Virginia, and 2 people are in custody, officials say | CNN

Seven people were shot – leaving three with life-threatening wounds – Tuesday evening outside a theater where a high school graduation ceremony had taken place, Richmond interim police chief Rick Edwards said.

www.cnn.com

 

[TV and credit cards]

7 shot outside a high school graduation ceremony in Richmond, Virginia, and 2 people are in custody, officials say | CNN

Seven people were shot – leaving three with life-threatening wounds – Tuesday evening outside a theater where a high school graduation ceremony had taken place, Richmond interim police chief Rick Edwards said.

www.cnn.com

Though we're awash in current events from all over the world, this barely makes the news anymore and hardly draws a comment.
Welcome to normal.