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Rand Paul Knows 50% of People on Disability are Faking it.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/politics/rand-paul-disability/index.html

Speaking at a New Hampshire diner about government waste, the Kentucky Republican said "there's always somebody who's deserving" of entitlement programs, "But everybody in this room knows somebody who's gaming the system."

"What I tell people is, if you look like me and you hop out of your truck, you shouldn't be getting a disability check. Over half of the people on disability are either anxious or their back hurts -- join the club," he said, drawing a few laughs from the audience. "Who doesn't get a little anxious for work everyday and their back hurts? Everybody over 40 has back pain."

All the people I know on disability aren't faking it, or if they are, they sure are doing a good job of being immobile and using those wheelchairs scamming the government for $1k per month.
 
What percent of people on disability do you think are faking it?
 
All the people I know on disability aren't faking it, or if they are, they sure are doing a good job of being immobile and using those wheelchairs scamming the government for $1k per month.

Yes, the benefits they receive are meager, and especially in backwards (mostly conservative) states, can take years to acquire.
 
What percent of people on disability do you think are faking it?

You would have to ask the Social Security Administration, or the Department of Justice.

You certainly can't just pull a random number out of your ass, which is what Rand Paul did.
 
Rand Paul is an example of someone who should be on disability, mental derangement should qualify him.
It's a matter of public safety....
 
What percent of people on disability do you think are faking it?


You would have to ask the Social Security Administration, or the Department of Justice.

You certainly can't just pull a random number out of your ass, which is what Rand Paul did.

Well, I was asking the people here...

But if Social Security knows who is faking disability wouldn't they not be on disability?
 
You can't know who is "faking it" on disability. You can know how many cases of fraud are reported and how many people lose benefits due to having been found in violation of the rules.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/politics/rand-paul-disability/index.html

Speaking at a New Hampshire diner about government waste, the Kentucky Republican said "there's always somebody who's deserving" of entitlement programs, "But everybody in this room knows somebody who's gaming the system."

"What I tell people is, if you look like me and you hop out of your truck, you shouldn't be getting a disability check. Over half of the people on disability are either anxious or their back hurts -- join the club," he said, drawing a few laughs from the audience. "Who doesn't get a little anxious for work everyday and their back hurts? Everybody over 40 has back pain."

All the people I know on disability aren't faking it, or if they are, they sure are doing a good job of being immobile and using those wheelchairs scamming the government for $1k per month.

Ooooo, that sweet, sweet disability money.

Oh yeah, baby.
 
This seems to be the next big deal, which is why the Republicans are not fully funding disability under Social Security. And their sheep are falling right in line.

Oh, so many people are faking it!
 
Even if lots of people were faking disability, that would not justify a failure to adequately support those who are not. If it was determined that $X/month is needed by disabled persons, and that Y% of recipients of that benefit are committing fraud, then the humane and correct response is to pay $X to those who are legitimate claimants, and to detect, investigate and ultimately jail, those who can be shown to be committing fraud. Paying $(Y% of X)/month, or indeed any amount $<X/month, fails to adequately help the needy, while still rewarding the fraudsters, and is a lose-lose solution.

Reducing the funding for disability benefits is not capable of solving (or even of beginning to address) the issue of fraud. Evidence of fraud might be motivation to spend more on enforcement - but cannot be logically defended as motivation to spend less per claimant on benefits to those known not to be fraudsters, in some misguided attempt to punish those who are getting away with fraud.

Of course, first you need actual evidence that fraud is currently sufficiently common as to be worth the cost of additional enforcement measures.

The whole 'reducing spending on suspicion' approach is ugly as fuck, and dumb as dogshit, and people like Rand Paul who suggest it need a fucking smack.
 
After having helped my brother get on disability due to severe epilepsy, I can tell you it is not any easy thing to get. The hoops you .must jump through are many
 
After having helped my brother get on disability due to severe epilepsy, I can tell you it is not any easy thing to get. The hoops you .must jump through are many
That's the trick. If you can leap through the hoops, you aren't disabled.

Regardless, the Republicans saved us from ACORN related voter fraud, saved us all from the Ebola epidemic, and now put their sights on disability fraud. Can someone remind how much fraud Rick Scott's company was caught in defrauding Medicare?
 
Even if lots of people were faking disability, that would not justify a failure to adequately support those who are not. If it was determined that $X/month is needed by disabled persons, and that Y% of recipients of that benefit are committing fraud, then the humane and correct response is to pay $X to those who are legitimate claimants, and to detect, investigate and ultimately jail, those who can be shown to be committing fraud. Paying $(Y% of X)/month, or indeed any amount $<X/month, fails to adequately help the needy, while still rewarding the fraudsters, and is a lose-lose solution.

Reducing the funding for disability benefits is not capable of solving (or even of beginning to address) the issue of fraud. Evidence of fraud might be motivation to spend more on enforcement - but cannot be logically defended as motivation to spend less per claimant on benefits to those known not to be fraudsters, in some misguided attempt to punish those who are getting away with fraud.

Of course, first you need actual evidence that fraud is currently sufficiently common as to be worth the cost of additional enforcement measures.

The whole 'reducing spending on suspicion' approach is ugly as fuck, and dumb as dogshit, and people like Rand Paul who suggest it need a fucking smack.

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to bilby again."
 
After having helped my brother get on disability due to severe epilepsy, I can tell you it is not any easy thing to get. The hoops you .must jump through are many
That's the trick. If you can leap through the hoops, you aren't disabled.

Regardless, the Republicans saved us from ACORN related voter fraud, saved us all from the Ebola epidemic, and now put their sights on disability fraud. Can someone remind how much fraud Rick Scott's company was caught in defrauding Medicare?

Don't forget voting fraud that arises from making voting convenient to voters.
 
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