Climate Change(d)?

[bilby]

Definitely time for that sharpie.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Rather impressive modeling to this point!

 

[bilby]

Rather impressive modeling to this point!

Yeah, Coral Sea cyclones are usually very hard to predict, but the BoM seem to have gotten it pretty close this time. The track has now moved slightly south of the original predicted path, and has the Cyclone hitting our house dead-on at about 1am on Friday.

Of course, as a particularly prescient and intelligent forecaster, @gmbteach and I planned our evacuation back in September last year, so we won't be there. Our return flight is scheduled for Friday afternoon, so maybe we should have planned a touch better, as it's unlikely the Airport will have reopened by then, but we will see how that goes.

 

[TSwizzle]

This post should be framed as it epitomizes the difference between actual scientists and MAGAts who don't need science because they already know the answers.

Only a religious nut would be disappointed in good news.

The scientist states that predictions are "difficult." TSwizzle "lols" this:

Because "difficult" is an understatement considering the predictions of climate collapse/apocalypse have failed to materialize.

He gets his info with straight from the top. Yahweh,

What a ridiculous thing to say but it is typical of you.

Trump -- these guys are not indecisive. @TSwizzle - did you drink bleach to protect self from Covid? Surely you didn't defer to science.

And once you get on a roll there's no telling when the ridiculousness will end. It never does.

Reading about "disastrous impacts on billions of people" also elicits "lol" from TSwizzle?

Sure, Jan.

What drugs are the rage in Santa Monica these days?

Fentanyl seems popular in these parts but Trump is trying to restrict its availability.

 

[WAB]

This post should be framed as it epitomizes the difference between actual scientists and MAGAts who don't need science because they already know the answers.

Only a religious nut would be disappointed in good news.

The scientist states that predictions are "difficult." TSwizzle "lols" this:

Because "difficult" is an understatement considering the predictions of climate collapse/apocalypse have failed to materialize.

He gets his info with straight from the top. Yahweh,

What a ridiculous thing to say but it is typical of you.

Trump -- these guys are not indecisive. @TSwizzle - did you drink bleach to protect self from Covid? Surely you didn't defer to science.

And once you get on a roll there's no telling when the ridiculousness will end. It never does.

Reading about "disastrous impacts on billions of people" also elicits "lol" from TSwizzle?

Sure, Jan.

What drugs are the rage in Santa Monica these days?

Fentanyl seems popular in these parts but Trump is trying to restrict its availability.

Tell him to send it to me. I'll keep it hidden and safe.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Because "difficult" is an understatement considering the predictions of climate collapse/apocalypse have failed to materialize.

The problem is that you keep listening to the idiot reporters who don't understand. They keep exaggerating the problem and their exaggerations of course do not come true. But if you pay attention to the science you get a very different picture: reality is mostly at or exceeding the worst case predictions.

The thing is there is no sharp edge, it's a boiling the frog type situation. The overall shifts are small, but the effect at the extremes is big. Look, for example, at that cyclone that's about to hit Australia.

 

[Elixir]

The thing is there is no sharp edge, it's a boiling the frog type situation.

Some Trumpsucking frogs have really tough derrières.

 

[DBT]

Trump will fix it. America and the whole world will be great again. The Messah has come.

 

[Elixir]

Trump will fix it. America and the whole world will be great again. The Messah has come.

Just going to be a little bit tough for a while, but then the skies will part and it will be like nothing anyone has ever seen.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Trump administration has withdrawn the US from a global agreement under which the developed nations most responsible for the climate crisis pledged to partly compensate developing countries for irreversible harms caused by global heating.

Teh Gruaniad

I expect more countries will exit this nonsense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm curious whether sea level changes occur at such a rate that it land losses might not be too big of an issue because of potential sand deposition occurring along side it. Or whether sand deposition will lead to atolls changing shape (a little, a lot?) because of currents and when the sand is deposited. Obvious this doesn't happy with continental coastal areas quite as much as we've seen in South Carolina, where sea level changes are causing nuisance type flooding (though this sea level change is caused by currents slowing down, not ice melt).

 

[bilby]

I'm curious whether sea level changes occur at such a rate that it land losses might not be too big of an issue because of potential sand deposition occurring along side it. Or whether sand deposition will lead to atolls changing shape (a little, a lot?) because of currents and when the sand is deposited. Obvious this doesn't happy with continental coastal areas quite as much as we've seen in South Carolina, where sea level changes are causing nuisance type flooding (though this sea level change is caused by currents slowing down, not ice melt).

I am no expert, but that sounds highly implausible to me. I would expect greater erosion, both due to sea level rises directly, and to increased wave action due to the larger storms that occur over warmer waters.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Net Zero Cult is losing a key member

Kemi Badenoch is dropping her party’s commitment to reaching net zero by 2050, as she launches the Conservatives’ widest policy review in a generation. The Tory leader will give a speech on Tuesday in which she will argue that hitting Britain’s legally binding climate target is “impossible”, abandoning one of the most significant policies enacted by her recent predecessor Theresa May.

Teh Gruaniad

The dominoes are starting to fall.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Net Zero Cult is losing a key member

I think it is quite something that you think reducing pollution and carbon pollution into the atmosphere to the point that we aren't impacting it, is some sort of cult thing, when it would actually be a sustainability thing. The fewer resources we use the better off we are in the long term.

If there is a cult, it is the worshippers of oil and gas and their insistence that we should be dependent on them indefinitely.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Net Zero Cult is losing a key member

I think it is quite something that you think reducing pollution and carbon pollution into the atmosphere to the point that we aren't impacting it, is some sort of cult thing, when it would actually be a sustainability thing.

It is quite something that you view "carbon" as a pollutant and that it has a significant effect on the weather. "Net Zero" is a religious cult and people are starting to turn their back on it.

The fewer resources we use the better off we are in the long term.

It depends on what resources you are talking about.

If there is a cult, it is the worshippers of oil and gas and their insistence that we should be dependent on them indefinitely.

I don't know anyone who worships oil and gas but maybe there are some people who do. There are viable alternatives for displacing some oil and gas energy sources such as nuclear but for the rest oil and gas will remain the main source for energy for quite some time. The fantasy of "renewable" energy is fading.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Net Zero Cult is losing a key member

I think it is quite something that you think reducing pollution and carbon pollution into the atmosphere to the point that we aren't impacting it, is some sort of cult thing, when it would actually be a sustainability thing.

It is quite something that you view "carbon" as a pollutant and that it has a significant effect on the weather.

Firstly, you are adding meaningless adjectives there. Secondly, climate scientists are the ones that predicted that CO2 would lead to global temp changes, 40 years ago. We have observed just about what was predicted. The impact to the climate predicted at this point, 40 years ago, was that the climate changes wouldn't be very noticeable. But we have noticed changes.

You are the one who is suggesting the predictions both to the global temp and climate/weather just happened to be right.

"Net Zero" is a religious cult and people are starting to turn their back on it.

No one wants to pay for it.

The fewer resources we use the better off we are in the long term.

It depends on what resources you are talking about.

Non-renewable resources. Reducing their use is more sustainable for the planet. We certainly aren't going to stop using carbon fuels for a while. But reducing their use significantly will be helpful for the long-term, assuming we get a nuclear grid.

If there is a cult, it is the worshippers of oil and gas and their insistence that we should be dependent on them indefinitely.

I don't know anyone who worships oil and gas but maybe there are some people who do.

Drill baby drill is a religious mantra.

 

[Elixir]

Drill baby drill is a religious mantra.

It’s actually a prayer to ignorant masses, to emulate the “Frogs Who Wanted a King” from Aesop’s Fables.
Even when they get what the want, they want more. Then it kills them.

 

[TSwizzle]

The Net Zero Cult is losing a key member

I think it is quite something that you think reducing pollution and carbon pollution into the atmosphere to the point that we aren't impacting it, is some sort of cult thing, when it would actually be a sustainability thing.

It is quite something that you view "carbon" as a pollutant and that it has a significant effect on the weather.

{snip] climate scientists are the ones that predicted that CO2 would lead to global temp changes, 40 years ago. We have observed just about what was predicted. The impact to the climate predicted at this point, 40 years ago, was that the climate changes wouldn't be very noticeable. But we have noticed changes.

Scientists have predicted lots of things that haven't happened. The impact of CO2 (I noticed you changed from "carbon") on the weather is not fully understood but it does not appear to be the thermostat for global temperature. The changes so far has been an imperceptible increase in global temperature with very little negative effect. In fact some positives have been touted. The "science" is far from settled.

You are the one who is suggesting the predictions both to the global temp and climate/weather just happened to be right.

The earth warms and cools in cycles so the scientists couldn't be wrong. What we have now are activist scientists pushing an agenda not based in science.

"Net Zero" is a religious cult and people are starting to turn their back on it.

No one wants to pay for it.

Why would anyone want to pay for something that would have zero impact in the weather? Why would they want to put themselves into hardship and poverty for no reason?

The fewer resources we use the better off we are in the long term.

It depends on what resources you are talking about.

Non-renewable resources. Reducing their use is more sustainable for the planet.

You mean oil and gas? There is no rational reason for reducing their use. In fact, their use is going to increase in the coming decades.

We certainly aren't going to stop using carbon fuels for a while. But reducing their use significantly will be helpful for the long-term, assuming we get a nuclear grid.

I'm fine with nuclear power but it will probably never completely replace oil and gas. And nuclear will never come about while the cultists chase these silly fantasies about windmills and solar.

If there is a cult, it is the worshippers of oil and gas and their insistence that we should be dependent on them indefinitely.

I don't know anyone who worships oil and gas but maybe there are some people who do.

Drill baby drill is a religious mantra.

i believe that phrase was used in a couple of campaigns, most notably Palin back in the day.

 

[Elixir]

Scientists have predicted lots of things that haven't happened.

Global warming due to carbon emissions is not one of them.

The impact of CO2 (I noticed you changed from "carbon")

Idiocy. CO2 is THE most prevalent (but not the only) form of carbon in the atmosphere.

 

[TSwizzle]

Scottish Ministers scrap green heating plans for new homes. The Scottish government is to scrap flagship plans to make homeowners switch to greener heating soon after buying a new home. The acting net-zero secretary Gillian Martin told MSPs that the draft Heat in Buildings Bill would no longer be put forward in its current form. She said the legislation - drafted by the Scottish Greens as part of the Bute House Agreement - would "make people poorer."

BBC

The Net Zero Cult is unraveling.