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[Toni]

Maybe women are just tougher than men.

Well, YOU are. My arm still hurts. Next time I’m going swimming immediately after; maybe that will help.

I worked in public health for 20 years and here is my trick for shots....most people get the shot in their "non dominant" arm (right handed people get it in the left arm). Get it in your dominant arm. The constant movement helps to reduce the pain.

Interesting. I always get it in my non dominant arm and it's never caused me more than mild discomfort. When I gave vaccines as a public health nurse, I don't remember which arm people preferred. I also don't remember anyone complaining about the injections. I do recall a medical assistant giving me an injection, who obviously didn't know what she was doing. It was a long time ago and I think it was an IM injection but she didn't get close to the muscle and it hurt more than most injections.

Most people preferred their non dominant arm. I never had issues with shots, but one of our nurses suggested I take it in my dominant arm and I have had zero negative effects with it. It just made sense to me when I thought about it - the thing that blew my mind was the number of men who would pass out when they had to get a shot or have a blood draw.

I usually just get any needed injections based on the side that’s most easily accessible to the person administering the injection. I understand the thinking that using your dominant arm will help prevent any muscular soreness and for me, that may be marginally true.

I used to regard those who could not tolerate needles or the sight of blood as big wusses but actually, feeling faint or ill at the sight of blood is genetically determined. I’m grateful I don’t have that issue because no way I would have survived helping my dad clean fish and game as a kid otherwise. Plus I was able to fully engage in all my work as a student and as a professional without any issues. Not to mention handling a lot of child rearing.

I do not do so well re: burns but when necessary I am able to simply go into
practical mode and deal with the circumstances which have been very rare and fairly mild—thankfully,

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How would you reduce autism and obesity? How would you increase average lifespans for the average American? How would you reduce medical costs but deliver better health? These are serious issues the medical establishment is failing by any standard.

Is RFK reaaly a quack or are we being duped again by more propaganda? I dont know but maybe we should let the quacks give it a try for 4 years to see if anything gets better. Trying something different is actually a scientific approach to discovery. Because our healthcare can't get any worse than it already is today.

Autism? Simple: go back to diagnosing it as mental retardation. That's where the explosion of autism cases came from--recognizing that many cases that appeared to be mental deficiency really are a deficiency in their perception of the world, not of their brain function. Vaccines have been utterly exonerated. I forget which country it is but one of the European places with universal health care--shared electronic medical records are an absolute gold mine for researchers. No sampling errors, they counted the vaccination status of every single autism diagnosis in the country. Vaccinated had a slightly lower rate of autism. And there are people like me--I've never been formally diagnosed and it appears to be impossible (under both DSM IV and DSM V my reading of the criteria ends up with it coming down to a question that is a likely yes but can't be definitively answered without a time machine), I function in society but I do not remotely fit in. Sticking a label on me doesn't change the reality.

Obesity: This one is much harder. It comes down to physical activity and diet. We are wired to like fat and sugar, especially in combination. In times of scarcity that was a survival benefit, now it's a liability. Avoid the highly processed foods that encourage you to eat more than you should. Be active enough. I'm cursed with some sort of immune issue that among other things pretty much denies me anything tasty. And my recreation of choice is hiking. Combine those and I'm at the same weight I was once I was completely finished growing (I won't say college weight because things still changed a little bit. The clearest is going up two shoe sizes--that's not fat!) Bloodwork is well in the green, I had to start on blood pressure meds when I could no longer handle my food issues by avoiding the problems.

But the quack would pretend he has a fix and I very much doubt I would survive his "fix".

 

[Jarhyn]

deficiency in their perception of the world

Not even.

It's a difference. For some people this makes them deficient and for others it does not.

It's recently been associated with an early development of the part of the brain associated with social action. My intuition on that says that it might indicate that this part ends up developing in the vacuum of the womb and more securely cementing the independent existence of the self, and capability for independent action at the expense of "consuming" this brain region of what normally develops "social controls" with extra executive function.

This is not necessarily good or bad, but it does mean creating a situation where things could go MUCH more horribly wrong in exchange for occasionally getting everything so much more "right", in the ability to disregard and doubt social convention.

There are way more complexities involved (like the whole communication mode issue, where some people will not be able to perceive their own spoken words as their own), however even in these cases it is clear that such individuals generally have very solid understanding of their agency in the world.

It's just the social systems are cannibalized for this dubious benefit.

 

[Axulus]

MAHA is a fraud:

What America’s new public health establishment—by which I don’t mean actual public health experts but their dilettante conspiracist bosses—is doing is choosing to move the country backwards. Less medical research, a pull-back on life-saving vaccines, turning away from science and embracing folk medicine.

Our new health establishment is explicit about wanting to go backwards. It’s right there on the hat: Make America Healthy Again.

Meaning: America used to be “healthy” and now is not.

I’m sorry, I know we’re supposed to meet people where they are and give them a loving truth sandwich, but this is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard.

Does anyone remember what “health” looked like in America a generation or two ago? Half the country smoked. People dropped dead at 50 on the reg. Child birth was dangerous. Seatbelts were suss. Drug use was off the charts.

Dangerous communicable diseases were still around. Cancer was a death sentence. AIDS looked like an unstoppable tsunami.

Food? Do remember what grocery stores looked like in 1980? Aisles of canned vegetables, processed foods, and frozen TV dinners. Fresh produce? Good luck. That section of the Acme was a shoebox.

But that’s all anecdotal. Let’s look at the data. Because it shows—absolutely, unequivocally—that this is the healthiest period in American history.

It then goes over the data. Worth reading the whole thing.

MAHA Is a Fraud

America has never been healthier. Going backwards is going to mean more people getting sick and dying.

open.substack.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

During a few of the years that I administered vaccines while working as a home health nurse, not a single patient had a side effect from any of the vaccines, other than a mildly sore arm for a few days.

Yeah? I got a shingles vaccination yesterday and my arm feels like it might fall off.

Yeah, Shingles and Covid are prone to provking sore arms.

I inadvertently found an answer for Covid: take a hike. If the terrain isn't flat I need poles or I'll hurt my knees. And that's excellent for the move-your-arm advice. I completely forgot about it until I rolled onto the spot at night--there had been absolutely zero soreness because hiking had made me move my arms enough.

 

[bilby]

RFK Jr. is targeting ultraprocessed foods.

“Do we want to risk our kids getting sicker while we wait for this perfect evidence to emerge?”

I hope he can make some headway on this.

Why? Is there any reason whatsoever to believe that there's a corellation between how much processing a food has, and how healthy it is?

Surely he ahould be targetting ultra unhealthy foods. Processed or not.

 

[bilby]

I know my shit. Kennedy does not.

That's OK, I have got his back.

I know Kennedy's shit.

 

[Jarhyn]

RFK Jr. is targeting ultraprocessed foods.

“Do we want to risk our kids getting sicker while we wait for this perfect evidence to emerge?”

I hope he can make some headway on this.

Why? Is there any reason whatsoever to believe that there's a corellation between how much processing a food has, and how healthy it is?

Surely he ahould be targetting ultra unhealthy foods. Processed or not.

Its easy to blame technology and the health problems caused by the stuff we eat and DON'T do any research about and are practically invisible in their endemicness.

It makes it look like you are doing something, just like the anti-abortion folks FEEL like they are saving babies.

 

[Toni]

I know my shit. Kennedy does not.

That's OK, I have got his back.

I know Kennedy's shit.

Lucky you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe women are just tougher than men.

Well, YOU are. My arm still hurts. Next time I’m going swimming immediately after; maybe that will help.

Never tried it but I suspect you're right.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe women are just tougher than men.

Well, YOU are. My arm still hurts. Next time I’m going swimming immediately after; maybe that will help.

I worked in public health for 20 years and here is my trick for shots....most people get the shot in their "non dominant" arm (right handed people get it in the left arm). Get it in your dominant arm. The constant movement helps to reduce the pain.

Never thought of that, it might help. But for most shots the band-aid has been more of an issue than the injection and thus I would want them non-dominant. If there's another Covid shot I'll try it dominant.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe women are just tougher than men.

Well, YOU are. My arm still hurts. Next time I’m going swimming immediately after; maybe that will help.

I worked in public health for 20 years and here is my trick for shots....most people get the shot in their "non dominant" arm (right handed people get it in the left arm). Get it in your dominant arm. The constant movement helps to reduce the pain.

Interesting. I always get it in my non dominant arm and it's never caused me more than mild discomfort. When I gave vaccines as a public health nurse, I don't remember which arm people preferred. I also don't remember anyone complaining about the injections. I do recall a medical assistant giving me an injection, who obviously didn't know what she was doing. It was a long time ago and I think it was an IM injection but she didn't get close to the muscle and it hurt more than most injections.

Most shots I have had no perceptible reaction to unless pressure was applied to the spot (say, rolling onto that side at night). The band-aid pulling the skin is the only reaction. Covid and the shingles vaccine are sore arm time for me, as well as anyone not sufficiently skilled with a needle.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I used to regard those who could not tolerate needles or the sight of blood as big wusses but actually, feeling faint or ill at the sight of blood is genetically determined. I’m grateful I don’t have that issue because no way I would have survived helping my dad clean fish and game as a kid otherwise. Plus I was able to fully engage in all my work as a student and as a professional without any issues. Not to mention handling a lot of child rearing.

And what about people like me?

I have absolutely no problem with blood. I've watched video of surgery, no problem. But anything going through the skin (or seeing surgery where the camera isn't already inside) gets me. I don't faint but only because I know how to arrange myself so I won't.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

RFK Jr. is targeting ultraprocessed foods.

“Do we want to risk our kids getting sicker while we wait for this perfect evidence to emerge?”

I hope he can make some headway on this.

Why? Is there any reason whatsoever to believe that there's a corellation between how much processing a food has, and how healthy it is?

Surely he ahould be targetting ultra unhealthy foods. Processed or not.

There does seem to be a relationship, but I suspect it's a matter of lots of processing meaning lots of optimizing for taste over nutrition. And that the highly processed stuff is very often in a form you can quickly consume lots of calories without really noticing it.

 

[southernhybrid]

During a few of the years that I administered vaccines while working as a home health nurse, not a single patient had a side effect from any of the vaccines, other than a mildly sore arm for a few days.

Yeah? I got a shingles vaccination yesterday and my arm feels like it might fall off.

Yeah, Shingles and Covid are prone to provking sore arms.

I inadvertently found an answer for Covid: take a hike. If the terrain isn't flat I need poles or I'll hurt my knees. And that's excellent for the move-your-arm advice. I completely forgot about it until I rolled onto the spot at night--there had been absolutely zero soreness because hiking had made me move my arms enough.

My husband and I had our latest COVID booster two days ago and our arms were only mildly sore. But, then again, the perception of pain varies greatly from person to person. Perhaps my chronic pain issues, which are often severe make it seem like the reaction to a vaccine was very mild. I do think I had a rather bad headache after one of my shingles vaccines that lasted for several hours. It's been over a year but I don't recall having a very sore arm from that vaccine. Regardless, a sore arm is a small price to pay for a vaccine that prevents or limits a case of a virus to something very mild or asymptomatic. I had Covid once with very mild symptoms that lasted less than two days. Vaccines are often life savers.

I did ask the person who injected us if she had heard of any way to lesson the soreness or if the soreness was less if the injection was given in the dominant arm. She laughed and said she had never heard of that, so who knows. I went ahead and had the vaccine in my less dominant are again. Two days later, the soreness is gone.

Let me add that I've read there is some evidence that autism is more common when a father is older. Fresh sperm, with old equipment. The jury is still out on all of the causes, but autism has nothing to do with vaccines. Plus, it's likely that milder cases of autism were never even diagnosed in previous decades. I think in retrospect that a classmate of mine in grammar school likely had some mild form of autism, but we all thought, despite liking the kid, that he was just a little bit weird. Nothing wrong with that. Being different is better than being like everyone else, imo. The only person I knew who was extremely autistic and totally dependent on others, had a mother who used many strong, dangerous recreational drugs when she was pregnant. That is likely another cause.

As far as obesity goes, there are lots of reasons for it. Some of it is genetic. My two sisters were very obese, likely inherited a trait from our late grandmother. But, they both ate a tremendous amount too. One had weight loss surgery and kept the weight off. The other one died of kidney cancer. Obesity is a huge risk factor for that and for years, she weighed over 300 lbs. I've never been obese and am now smaller than ever. I am a lot like my late mother and we both started becoming more active and thinner when we reached fifty. We were both slightly overweight, freaked out and then lost the weight. Genetic influences are interesting. There are also medications that can cause obesity. For example those who have to take steroids on a regular basis often suffer from obesity.

Imo, a lot of obesity is probably related to eating in restaurants on a regular basis, like so many Americans do these days. If you look at the caloric content of most restaurant foods, that is understandable. When I go to a buffet, I am very careful what I eat, mostly vegetables and high fiber foods. But, there are always obese folks there who have multiple plates of food, including lots of friend foods and sweets. When I have pizza out, I get the smallest one without cheese, but I see folks eating the largest size covered with a thick layer of cheese. These people are usually very obese. It's easier to eat healthier at home if you put you mind to it, not everyone can do that. If I gain a lb. I cut back on how much I eat for a day or two. It takes discipline to maintain a healthy weight these days, not everyone has that. Still, different things work for different people.

And, when I was young, people were far more active compared to now. Children were outside playing, running and walking all day long. We walked to school and played games outside. I almost never see kids playing outside these days. The age of the free range child is over.

Additionally, metabolism can change when people's weight goes up and down, eventually slowing it down to the point where it's extremely hard to lose weight. We had chemicals in the food since I was a kid in the 50s and we ate our share of junk food, including chips, processed cakes, ice cream bars etc. I think the fact that we were so active probably kept us thin, but a lot of us ate more and were less active once we reached adulthood. That's what happened to both of my sisters.

RFKjr doesn't have a clue as to why people are obese. The man isn't mentally stable imo. Sure it would be good to have fewer processed foods, but plenty of fresh foods are available now. There are even frozen dinners that are healthy with few or any unhealthy chemicals added, like Amy's Vegan meals, so we have lots of choices. Beans are very cheap, healthy and tasty if you make them correctly. It's just hard for people to change their habits and a lot of people are clueless when it comes to nutrition.

Sorry for the nutrition lecture, but it pisses me off when people think RFKjr is going to make anyone healthier or that decreasing processed foods is going to make everyone thinner. Once eating habits are established they can be hard to change.

 

[Elixir]

RFKjr doesn't have a clue as to why people are obese. The man isn't mentally stable imo.

But he makes a great bootlicker since he could never get a job doing anything else.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

How would you reduce autism and obesity? How would you increase average lifespans for the average American? How would you reduce medical costs but deliver better health? These are serious issues the medical establishment is failing by any standard.

Is RFK reaaly a quack or are we being duped again by more propaganda? I dont know but maybe we should let the quacks give it a try for 4 years to see if anything gets better. Trying something different is actually a scientific approach to discovery. Because our healthcare can't get any worse than it already is today.

Autism? Simple: go back to diagnosing it as mental retardation.

I'd rather want conservatism to be classified as mental retardation.

 

[Jarhyn]

How would you reduce autism and obesity? How would you increase average lifespans for the average American? How would you reduce medical costs but deliver better health? These are serious issues the medical establishment is failing by any standard.

Is RFK reaaly a quack or are we being duped again by more propaganda? I dont know but maybe we should let the quacks give it a try for 4 years to see if anything gets better. Trying something different is actually a scientific approach to discovery. Because our healthcare can't get any worse than it already is today.

Autism? Simple: go back to diagnosing it as mental retardation.

I'd rather want conservatism to be classified as mental retardation.

There is a certain sort of mentally deficient narcissist that I think absolutely characterizes most modern conservative talking heads.

They are put together, and well-spoken. Often they are polite or even friendly.

They are typified by such folks as Sargon of Akkad and a now-departed ex-member of these forums, Angra Mainu, in that they will say anything they must to frame what is an unreasonable position in a way that fools such people and themselves into believing it, but which does not hold up to scrutiny.

The problem is, the complication of their wackadoodle justification for selfishness is too great for them to see "all the way around", and identify the circularity or lack of root underneath their world view.

The true way of things is often much more complicated, still, but they want to be right and everyone else to be wrong because they don't really acknowledge the existence or sensibility of other "ways of being"; Or sometimes it's more being embarrassed about not having been able to identify the lack of foundations under their beliefs, or the flaws in the foundations they try to build. YMMV.

There is something sad about such individuals who are trapped running around in a circle of their own delusions too big for them to see all the way around. I wouldn't call them retarded, but rather taught something wrong that may never be righted, and they lack the means to right themselves.

 

[bilby]

RFKjr doesn't have a clue as to why people are obese.

Is it because of chemtrails? I bet it's chemtrails. Or maybe Ultra-Low Frequency radio.

 

[Axulus]

RFKjr doesn't have a clue as to why people are obese.

Is it because of chemtrails? I bet it's chemtrails. Or maybe Ultra-Low Frequency radio.

Or maybe it's diet soda, seed oils, and food dyes. I'm sure anti-depressants also play a role as well. Just start using a bunch of lard instead and you'll be skinny in no time.