Dem Post Mortem

[Politesse]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

 

[ZiprHead]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Maybe the people that voted for him?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Maybe the people that voted for him?

As long as the libs are impacted by the recession too then it’s probably worth it to them, no?

 

[Jarhyn]

but won't appeal to the moderates in the swing states

You are the "moderate", and the fact is, this is you saying those policies do not appeal to you.

They want more rights for trans people

But not you.

acceptance of DEI

"DEI", no, just acceptance of hiring whoever is actually qualified rather than sticking with a narrow candidate pool. Which implies you think "DEI" is more than that, or that you don't want that and want to call it DEI.

punish corporations because they are mean

No, we want to tax them because taxes are important for stabilizing the economy and ensuring that people are not taken advantage of by the ones who ARE mean.

end fossil fuels

More, reduce reliance on fossil fuels, *because they kill us and are wrecking the fucking planet*.

It's almost like progressives are less focused on "justice" and more focused on stopping doing the things that are going to fucking kill us before they fucking kill us and destabilize our society entirely.

If it's "moderates" that don't want that, we might as well call them what they really are: doomer Republicans in blue

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Maybe the people that voted for him?

The mega people will blame a recession on Biden for sure. They are gone. But there are many people in the middle who voted for Trump who are pissed about the Tariffs and the uncertainty that they are causing. There is this perception that the left doesn't care about the economy and inflation. We don't care about housing. And etc. I liked Harris, voted for her. Donated to her campaign. But every time she was asked about the economy, she would deflect. We need someone on the left willing to go toe to toe with Trump on economic issues.

 

[Harry Bosch]

but won't appeal to the moderates in the swing states

You are the "moderate", and the fact is, this is you saying those policies do not appeal to you.

They want more rights for trans people

But not you.

acceptance of DEI

"DEI", no, just acceptance of hiring whoever is actually qualified rather than sticking with a narrow candidate pool. Which implies you think "DEI" is more than that, or that you don't want that and want to call it DEI.

punish corporations because they are mean

No, we want to tax them because taxes are important for stabilizing the economy and ensuring that people are not taken advantage of by the ones who ARE mean.

end fossil fuels

More, reduce reliance on fossil fuels, *because they kill us and are wrecking the fucking planet*.

It's almost like progressives are less focused on "justice" and more focused on stopping doing the things that are going to fucking kill us before they fucking kill us and destabilize our society entirely.

If it's "moderates" that don't want that, we might as well call them what they really are: doomer Republicans in blue

Well, you took my words out of context. But yes, I am a moderate. Does that really surprise you? I would have guessed that more than 7,000 posts that this would have been pretty self-evident. But here's the deal: I welcome progressives into my party. I'm not intimidated by people with priorities that are different than mine. And that is what the above is. Differences in priorities. I think that that democrats need to lead with policies that benefit the economy first. Do the justice stuff later. To me, it's more important that my kids can reasonably buy a new house than allow Robert to win the girls javelin competition.

 

[Politesse]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

 

[TomC]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

 

[Politesse]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

 

[TomC]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

I believe that both Hillary and Kamala lost because they were not sufficiently extremist to bring out the Democratic voters.

MAGAts came out in droves because our political system is now dominated by extremists and they put Trump into the White House twice now.
Tom

 

[Harry Bosch]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

I believe that both Hillary and Kamala lost because they were not sufficiently extremist to bring out the Democratic voters.

MAGAts came out in droves because our political system is now dominated by extremists and they put Trump into the White House twice now.
Tom

I think that she lost due to base not coming out and the swing state biden voters switching to Trump. If she had gone more left, perhaps the left would have turned out greater turnout. We'll never know. And she might have won the popular vote. But how many of those voters are in the midwest? If the dems want to return to power, we need to recapture the moderates who switched their vote to Trump. We can't win without capturing at least a couple of the swing states.

 

[Politesse]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

Do you not read your own posts? I was responding to you.

 

[TomC]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

Do you not read your own posts? I was responding to you.

Did you read the rest of my post?

Or just enough to know that I must be wrong?

I'll repeat my question:
Who is they in that question?

Not that I expect you to respond honestly, I'm just asking.
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

Well, you took my words out of context. But yes, I am a moderate.

Maybe actually reply in a way that doesn't dodge the actual questions I posed.

Do you not believe trans people deserve rights?

Do you not believe that biased hiring practices need to be addressed?

Do you not want taxes imposed on corporations to guarantee economic stability and mobility?

Do you not want to regulate the things destroying the planet and dooming us?

If you don't want those things, just be a fucking Republican already.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Well, you took my words out of context. But yes, I am a moderate.

Maybe actually reply in a way that doesn't dodge the actual questions I posed.

I didn't dodge your question. You just didn't carefully read my post.

Do you not believe trans people deserve rights?

I believe that trans people deserve rights as all people deserve rights.

Do you not believe that biased hiring practices need to be addressed?

I think that we need to live in the now and help all people now. I think that telling Joe Sixpack struggling with a dead end job that we need to give someone extra benefits because of a "biased hiring practices in the past" is an election killer. Fix the hiring practices and treat all people the same.

Do you not want taxes imposed on corporations to guarantee economic stability and mobility?

Please demonstrate how taxing corporations "guaranties economic stability and mobility". I don't believe it. But am open to evidence if you have it. By itself, increasing taxes on anyone reduces the deficit. I do think that the deficit is a problem. But how does reducing the deficit lead to economic stability?

Do you not want to regulate the things destroying the planet and dooming us?

How in the world did you get this?

If you don't want those things, just be a fucking Republican already.

IMO, none of the above fixes any economic issues that are affecting people today.

 

[Jarhyn]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

I believe that both Hillary and Kamala lost because they were not sufficiently extremist to bring out the Democratic voters.

MAGAts came out in droves because our political system is now dominated by extremists and they put Trump into the White House twice now.
Tom

I think that she lost due to base not coming out and the swing state biden voters switching to Trump. If she had gone more left, perhaps the left would have turned out greater turnout. We'll never know. And she might have won the popular vote. But how many of those voters are in the midwest? If the dems want to return to power, we need to recapture the moderates who switched their vote to Trump. We can't win without capturing at least a couple of the swing states.

The people she lost, the people she needed, she lost because of actions during her campaign, not about policy positions per se.

It's one thing to be an unrepentant liar who everyone trusts to be untrustworthy without any veneer of honesty.

It's another thing to claim to be a trustworthy sort and the also fail to keep that veneer of honesty.

People act as if the Dems didn't commit to a shit show where they claimed to be the more upright choice and then visibly and shamelessly denied funds, records, and the decorum of public debate to clarify positions on issues prior to the election.

It is as much in the disregard of decorum and disregard for the sanctity of the election process that tanked the Dems there.

It's not even so much where she goes as the fact that the party abdicated it's principles rather than allow an "outsider" to have any political capital.

You act as if your blue dog "moderate" group was ever going to not vote for Hillary, and a lot of people voted spoilers because the fact is, Hillary is not a likable candidate, especially after the shit with the Sanders campaign.

She was given an opportunity to have principles and demonstrated that she didn't however much she wished to claim she did.

That's what loses elections in this modern climate.

 

[Politesse]

I believe that both Hillary and Kamala lost because they were not sufficiently extremist to bring out the Democratic voters.

I do not personally see the defense of our Constitutional rights as extremist, but if indeed both of those candidates lost because their voters did not swing "left enough", then to also say as Harry did that they lost because they were "too far left" is irrational.

MAGAts came out in droves because our political system is now dominated by extremists and they put Trump into the White House twice now.
Tom

On this, we agree. The responsibility for our country's descent into fascism primarily falls on the shoulders of those who welcomed it with open arms, not on those who have disagreements as to how to combat it. One third of voters are openly honorless, traitorous curs, and it is neither the progressive nor the neoliberal corporatist nor the blue dog Democrat who truly has to answer why they voted for Trump.

 

[Politesse]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

Do you not read your own posts? I was responding to you.

Did you read the rest of my post?

Or just enough to know that I must be wrong?

I'll repeat my question:
Who is they in that question?

Not that I expect you to respond honestly, I'm just asking.
Tom

The "people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough. Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group."

I don't understand why you are pretending to be too stupid to understand your own words that you wrote with your hands on your computer.

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Oh yes, right wing politics are so GREAT for the economy.

?? And who is saying that? TACO Trump's policies are probably putting the country into a recession right now.

Anyone who voted for Trump because Harris is "too extreme".

How about the people who stayed home or voted 3rd party because Harris was not extreme enough?
Or, ya know, like the "Palestinians for Trump" group?
Tom

They probably did not think that Kamala Harris was too far left.

Who is "they" in that post?

I believe that both Hillary and Kamala lost because they were not sufficiently extremist to bring out the Democratic voters.

MAGAts came out in droves because our political system is now dominated by extremists and they put Trump into the White House twice now.
Tom

I think that she lost due to base not coming out and the swing state biden voters switching to Trump. If she had gone more left, perhaps the left would have turned out greater turnout. We'll never know. And she might have won the popular vote. But how many of those voters are in the midwest? If the dems want to return to power, we need to recapture the moderates who switched their vote to Trump. We can't win without capturing at least a couple of the swing states.

If they switched their votes to Trump, then they were never moderates in the first place. Moderates don't vote for extremists, even if unsatisfied with "their own" candidate. We saw this in recent federal election in Australia, where "moderates" turned away from the Liberals, because their leader Peter Dutton was Trump-lite.
Another myth is that the Democrats are a left-wing party; by international standards they are centre-right, and any claim that "oh but in America ..." is exceptionalist bullshit. Americans need to become more self-aware about reality, but decades of agitprop by their mainstream media has distorted Americans perceptions.