Immigration Issues

[TV and credit cards]

I like diversity too. And yes I agree it makes life more interesting.

But it surely does not make the nation stronger. It does not make us stronger because we can not communicate with those who speak a different language. It does not make us stronger when we become confused over cultural differences. Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

It does make us stronger. Cultural diversity, people born in different environments, dealing with life under different conditions, will bring different and importantly creative ideas and solutions to the table.
Communication is not an issue. We manage. The US Navy manages. Think unity is important in the military? Of course it is. There are plenty of people in the military where English is not their primary language. Moreover, US service members are not required to speak English during the normal course of their duties. There is even a navy regulation to this effect. Whatever gets the job done.
Confusion over cultural differences is not lasting. Curious people embrace these differences.

 

[unapologetic]

Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

So we should all have the same religion. Or all be MAGA. /s
Rump and FauxNews and religions believe devideing us is best for them.

For the government's benefit we should all speak the same language.
For your own benefit learn as many languages as you can.

 

[pood]

Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

So we should all have the same religion. Or all be MAGA. /s
Rump and FauxNews and religions believe devideing us is best for them.

For the government's benefit we should all speak the same language.
For your own benefit learn as many languages as you can.

What he means is a unity of white-bread people marching in lockstep and chanting MAGGOT slogans.

He doesn’t know that diversity promotes unity. The people who oppose this unity are MAGGOTS.

 

[robnisch]

Anybody here picked strawberries? They are more tender than blue berries or cranberries. They also grow lower to the ground. Raspberries are more tender still.

What about tomatoes? Sure more thicker skinned, hardy varieties can be grown but at a cost of both flavor and taste—and nutritional value. Which is why winter tomatoes can be accurately described as tasting like styrofoam.

Now, I’m a big fan of eating locally grown food whenever possible, but I do love tropical fruits and seafood and I live in the Midwest in the USA so I am flexible. But foodstuffs are perishable and labor intensive. At least the healthy options are.

I've picked wild strawberries. They were about the size of a raspberry and easily squished.

One of my great uncles came up with the idea of using school busses in the summer to pick up kids to go pick crops. Strawberries and pole. beans.

Lewis Alderman

 

[bilby]

Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

So we should all have the same religion. Or all be MAGA. /s
Rump and FauxNews and religions believe devideing us is best for them.

For the government's benefit we should all speak the same language.
For your own benefit learn as many languages as you can.

What he means is a unity of white-bread people marching in lockstep and chanting MAGGOT slogans.

He doesn’t know that diversity promotes unity. The people who oppose this unity are MAGGOTS.

There are two kinds of unity:

We are united against them
and
We are united, so there is no such thing as "them"

 

[bilby]

Anybody here picked strawberries? They are more tender than blue berries or cranberries. They also grow lower to the ground. Raspberries are more tender still.

What about tomatoes? Sure more thicker skinned, hardy varieties can be grown but at a cost of both flavor and taste—and nutritional value. Which is why winter tomatoes can be accurately described as tasting like styrofoam.

Now, I’m a big fan of eating locally grown food whenever possible, but I do love tropical fruits and seafood and I live in the Midwest in the USA so I am flexible. But foodstuffs are perishable and labor intensive. At least the healthy options are.

I've picked wild strawberries. They were about the size of a raspberry and easily squished.

One of my great uncles came up with the idea of using school busses in the summer to pick up kids to go pick crops. Strawberries and pole. beans.
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Lewis Alderman

How much did the work pay?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You're missing my point. I'm saying that cracking down on employment verification would cause them to resort to identity theft rather than simply forged documentation. I'm not saying it's a current issue, but that it would be an unintended consequence of an actual crackdown.

And I don't believe that is true.

If an employer were balancing the risk of hiring someone in particular against the risk of a $10k fine I am certain that the employers would find ways to avoid the risk.
One biggie would be demanding better documenting processes. Another would be a government database that absolved the employer when used properly.

Bottom line is that if American society weren't so schizophrenic about wanting immigrants to work and not giving them documents we wouldn't have this problem!
Tom

And we've seen what happens--legal immigrants getting rejected. That's why employers are not expected to judge the authenticity of credentials--an awful lot of them don't have the skill. (I managed to put the HR woman in a brain freeze by presenting my passport. The form has been revised since I'm sure because I'm not the only one who had that sort of experience.)

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Learn to code, of course.

That will soon be replaced by AI too. Probably a lot sooner than other professions.

Disagree, although I think the profession is in for trouble because AI can do a lot of what a junior programmer can do, limiting the ladder. But that's all the AI can do, anything that requires bigger picture thinking AI won't touch. And can AI hope to deal with the bug report I just had of getting two different answers? (You edited one of those, the scripts don't actually say the same thing!)

A UI specialist directing the AI, testing the output, tweaking by telling the AI what needs to be fixed.

That assumes a test space adequate to cover all cases. And that assumes enough understanding of what's going on to actually derive such complete testing. Off the top of my head four such that slipped past even humans:

1) A missile that would turn upside-down when it's flight crossed the equator.

2) Autopilot that packed in and came close to crashing the plane because it couldn't contemplate flying several hundred feet below sea level. Israel has an airbase something like a thousand feet below sea level.

3) Ariane V initial launch. The code was tested/working on the Ariane IV, but the sensors on the Ariane V had more digits. Code that became moot the instant the rocket was lit was still running, spitting out garbage that nobody was listening to, more digits = bigger noise = unchecked floating point underflow error = processor lockup. Backup took over, did the same thing. Rocket went crazy, then suicided.

4) Therac-25. It could run in x-ray mode or electron-beam mode. Electron-beam was actually done by interposing a target in the x-ray beam. Change to x-ray, the motor would start to remove the target. A fast enough operator could enter everything, then correct it to electron beam mode--but if the target was still being moved away the machine wouldn't put it back. The power would be dialed way up for electron beam (because most of it was going to be lost on the target), it killed patients.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You missed the point that many immigrants HAVE legal documents/visas allowing them to work LEGALLY in the US. That does NOT stop many employers from mistreating the workers, including wage theft and poor working conditions.
And if you read the newspapers, you should be aware that MANY legal, law abiding immigrants are being swept up by ICE and imprisoned in deplorable conditions, without due process. This includes the holders of green cards who have been abducted as they enter courtrooms for their citizenship oath/swearing in ceremony.

You are correct that the current atmosphere makes everything much more dangerous for any immigrant but also for US citizens who may not be blonde/blue eyed.

I don't see how this is a rebuttal at all as I'm not remotely suggesting there is only one failure mode. You are describing failure modes that currently exist, I'm pointing out an additional one that would appear if there was a big crackdown.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And if you read the newspapers, you should be aware that MANY legal, law abiding immigrants are being swept up by ICE and imprisoned in deplorable conditions, without due process. This includes the holders of green cards who have been abducted as they enter courtrooms for their citizenship oath/swearing in ceremony.

Do you have any evidence of this? Other than Facebook memes etc?

The Gestapo cares far more about running up a score than accuracy. They quickly ran out of criminals, they're manufacturing them now.

Irish tourist jailed 100 days after overstaying US visit by 3 days: report

An Irish tourist was held in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody for "roughly 100 days" because he was too ill to catch his flight back home, The Guardian reported.The visitor, a father of three from Ireland identified as Thomas, was visiting his girlfriend in West Virginia last...

www.rawstory.com

Specifically, per the report, "He had initially planned to return home in October, but badly tore his calf, suffered severe swelling and was having trouble walking."

The report stated that a doctor had ordered him not to travel due to a risk of blood clots.

He was only three days overdue to leave, had medical paperwork confirming his condition, and had proactively reached out to both the Irish and American embassies and the Department of Homeland Security to explain the situation, the Guardian reported.

And, not deportation but unreasonable behavior:

International Thru-Hikers Are Being Denied Entry to the U.S.: Here's What Backpackers Should Know

Reports of thru-hikers facing rejection and even detention at the U.S. border have left some backpackers questioning whether to cancel their long-planned trips.

www.backpacker.com

You are correct that the current atmosphere makes everything much more dangerous for any immigrant but also for US citizens who may not be blonde/blue eyed.

no it doesn’t actually.

We have a recent case of someone hauled off by the Gestapo for being near illegals.

 

[Toni]

Anybody here picked strawberries? They are more tender than blue berries or cranberries. They also grow lower to the ground. Raspberries are more tender still.

What about tomatoes? Sure more thicker skinned, hardy varieties can be grown but at a cost of both flavor and taste—and nutritional value. Which is why winter tomatoes can be accurately described as tasting like styrofoam.

Now, I’m a big fan of eating locally grown food whenever possible, but I do love tropical fruits and seafood and I live in the Midwest in the USA so I am flexible. But foodstuffs are perishable and labor intensive. At least the healthy options are.

I've picked wild strawberries. They were about the size of a raspberry and easily squished.

One of my great uncles came up with the idea of using school busses in the summer to pick up kids to go pick crops. Strawberries and pole. beans.
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Lewis Alderman

It was well established more than 50 years ago. I detasseled corn.

 

[Toni]

Anybody here picked strawberries? They are more tender than blue berries or cranberries. They also grow lower to the ground. Raspberries are more tender still.

What about tomatoes? Sure more thicker skinned, hardy varieties can be grown but at a cost of both flavor and taste—and nutritional value. Which is why winter tomatoes can be accurately described as tasting like styrofoam.

Now, I’m a big fan of eating locally grown food whenever possible, but I do love tropical fruits and seafood and I live in the Midwest in the USA so I am flexible. But foodstuffs are perishable and labor intensive. At least the healthy options are.

I've picked wild strawberries. They were about the size of a raspberry and easily squished.

One of my great uncles came up with the idea of using school busses in the summer to pick up kids to go pick crops. Strawberries and pole. beans.
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Lewis Alderman

How much did the work pay?

In my case, which was some years after the gentleman pictured, sub-minimum wage. As was customary for both agricultural workers and kids too young to drive. But more than babysitting did.

 

[BH]

Government and its officers may do good, just like the gang or mob may do some good and token acts of service to members of the neighborhood it runs, but in the end it rules by coercion and fear and all the arguments used by governments to show they are somehow different from a gang seem to always fail when looked deeply into. Also like the gang or mob, any good the government does for "regular people" really is just to protect and help the leaders prosper and do well and hide the fact they are pimping the general population.

I could not agree more. In the final analysis government doesn't give a crap about us. Not really. All they really care about is keeping their own jobs and giving themselves more freedom and power mostly at our expense of limited liberty.

Please be honest - what has stopped you from talking about the Epstein Files? Blink once for yes and twice for no.

Are they treating you well in that compound?

Th Epstein Files and all the talk about them are making certain people lots of money. My guess is we will never know just went on on Epsteins Island because many powerful people will not allow it and if pushed will see to it bad yhings happen to some people.

Its good to let people vent and jabber and helps secure the rule of the rulers. Makes them appear strong and not weak . Epstein is an example that stregnthens my position not weakens it.

 

[robnisch]

Anybody here picked strawberries? They are more tender than blue berries or cranberries. They also grow lower to the ground. Raspberries are more tender still.

What about tomatoes? Sure more thicker skinned, hardy varieties can be grown but at a cost of both flavor and taste—and nutritional value. Which is why winter tomatoes can be accurately described as tasting like styrofoam.

Now, I’m a big fan of eating locally grown food whenever possible, but I do love tropical fruits and seafood and I live in the Midwest in the USA so I am flexible. But foodstuffs are perishable and labor intensive. At least the healthy options are.

I've picked wild strawberries. They were about the size of a raspberry and easily squished.

One of my great uncles came up with the idea of using school busses in the summer to pick up kids to go pick crops. Strawberries and pole. beans.
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Lewis Alderman

How much did the work pay?

We were paid by the pieces or pound. 2 cents a pound of beans. 50 cents per carrier/6 hallocks of strawberries 1962-67.

 

[ZiprHead]

Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

That's what Germany was going for.

 

[Patooka]

I love cultural diversity. It's what makes us stronger. It's what makes life more interesting.

I like diversity too. And yes I agree it makes life more interesting.

But it surely does not make the nation stronger. It does not make us stronger because we can not communicate with those who speak a different language. It does not make us stronger when we become confused over cultural differences. Nor does it help having a country fighting with each other all the time. Unity is what makes any organization including a country much stronger.

So shut the fuck up and start agreeing with the Democrats then. Oh, wait - you'd rather side with the cunts who get so butt hurt when they lose they storm the Capitol, commit domestic terrorism and literally smear shit on the walls of government buildings?

 

[Elixir]

Vonse on diversity:

 

[ZiprHead]

I tried to give SoHy's post responding to Swiz a like but got "The site returned an error for the current action."

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

She was here legally and attending college to obtain a pharmacy degree.