Immigration Issues

[Toni]

This article from the Purdue newspaper explains the situation:

Visa conflict unresolved for previously detained Purdue student

Well, not really, it doesn’t. Her visa is/was valid. The bs about a position change of her parent affecting visa status is pretty damn bogus.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Actor who played Superman joins ICE ‘to help save America’

One-time Man of Steel encourages social media followers to join up in video promising ‘great benefits’ and a $50,000 signing-on bonus but is accused of betraying his most celebrated character’s values

www.the-independent.com

You also don’t need an undergraduate degree, you can get to work right away. So iIf you want to help save America, ICE is arresting the worst of the worst and removing them from America's streets. I like that. I voted for that.

Ya know, I remember when right-wing actors would complain how Hollywood discriminated against them because of their politics. The truth was the ones complaining tended to be shitty actors or difficult people to work with. They continently ignored some big name conservative actors like Mel Gibson or Clint Eastwood.

But I can see actual discrimination coming. What studio is eager to invest tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars in a project when the lead actor/performer could go on a drunken anti-sematic rant (Gibson), arrested for assault (Ezra Miller), posting pro-nazi shit (Kanye), or general bashing people who are gay/trans/muslim/jewish/atheist/immigrants/etc.

Its a little short sided to think that scumbaggery in Hollywood is limited to the conservatives:

Weinstein Effect

I don't know the political affiliations of all those named in the link, but its fair to say a good chunk, if not the vast majority, are on the left given the historic political leanings of Hollywood.

As a wise man once said, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany."

Yes, Hollywood is an interesting blend of old-school nothing is going to change, gonna make that actress drop her pants to get a role villainy mixed with doey eyed liberal vision. If memory serves, when Marlon Brando had a First Nation person receive his Oscar award and speak, she was boo'd. Seth MacFarlane laid into the establishment (at the Oscars?) and the crowd didn't know how to react.

I just can't get over how much conservatives vehemently hate Hollywood and celebrities... except the ones that agree with them. Eastwood, Allen, Voight... well they are a-okay.

 

[thebeave]

Actor who played Superman joins ICE ‘to help save America’

One-time Man of Steel encourages social media followers to join up in video promising ‘great benefits’ and a $50,000 signing-on bonus but is accused of betraying his most celebrated character’s values

www.the-independent.com

You also don’t need an undergraduate degree, you can get to work right away. So iIf you want to help save America, ICE is arresting the worst of the worst and removing them from America's streets. I like that. I voted for that.

Ya know, I remember when right-wing actors would complain how Hollywood discriminated against them because of their politics. The truth was the ones complaining tended to be shitty actors or difficult people to work with. They continently ignored some big name conservative actors like Mel Gibson or Clint Eastwood.

But I can see actual discrimination coming. What studio is eager to invest tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars in a project when the lead actor/performer could go on a drunken anti-sematic rant (Gibson), arrested for assault (Ezra Miller), posting pro-nazi shit (Kanye), or general bashing people who are gay/trans/muslim/jewish/atheist/immigrants/etc.

Its a little short sided to think that scumbaggery in Hollywood is limited to the conservatives:

Weinstein Effect

I don't know the political affiliations of all those named in the link, but its fair to say a good chunk, if not the vast majority, are on the left given the historic political leanings of Hollywood.

As a wise man once said, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany."

Yes, Hollywood is an interesting blend of old-school nothing is going to change, gonna make that actress drop her pants to get a role villainy mixed with doey eyed liberal vision. If memory serves, when Marlon Brando had a First Nation Pretendian receive his Oscar award and speak, she was boo'd. Seth MacFarlane laid into the establishment (at the Oscars?) and the crowd didn't know how to react.

I just can't get over how much conservatives vehemently hate Hollywood and celebrities... except the ones that agree with them. Eastwood, Allen, Voight... well they are a-okay.

FIFY

Sasheen Littlefeather

 

[ZiprHead]

FIFY

Sasheen Littlefeather

Cruz replied to Keeler on Twitter on Oct. 4 that her grandmother was of “Yaqui and Spanish” descent. Cruz herself had tried to enroll in the White Mountain Apache Tribe. But over the next few weeks, Cruz said, Keeler showed her genealogical research that traced her father’s family back to Mexico in 1850 and said there was no evidence of Native ancestry.

Cruz and the middle sister of the family, Trudy Orlandi, were both persuaded by the research. Last Saturday, less than a month after their sister’s death at age 75, The San Francisco Chronicle published an opinion column by Keeler under the headline, “Sacheen Littlefeather was a Native American icon. Her sisters say she was an ethnic fraud.”

The column unleashed an intense response in Native American circles on social media.

Some condemned Littlefeather, saying she had fabricated an identity to promote her Hollywood career. But others strongly objected to Keeler’s investigation, saying it ignored the complicated ways Native identity can be formed, particularly for those who do not meet the formal criteria for tribal membership. Enrollment typically requires proof of tribal ties, often described in terms of one’s percentage of “Indian blood,” or “blood quantum.”

“What many people don’t understand about Native existence is that some Natives aren’t enrolled,” Laura Clark, a journalist who is Muscogee and Cherokee, wrote in Variety in response to Keeler’s column.

“Some Natives are reconnecting with their tribes,” Clark wrote. “Some Natives don’t have enough ‘Indian blood’ to register because of blood quantum minimums. And some Natives have had their tribes nearly erased to the point that organized citizenship records simply don’t exist.”

Sacheen Littlefeather and the Question of Native Identity (Published 2022)

The actress, who died Oct. 2, became famous for a protest at the 1973 Oscars. Now a researcher and Littlefeather’s own sisters dispute her claims that she was Native American. Her defenders say Indian identity is a complex matter.

www.nytimes.com

The Apache tribe extended far south into central Mexico.

 

[Derec]

This tragic case exemplifies how broken our immigration system had become.
Ex-WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mom killed in head-on crash with illegal immigrant with history of driving drunk

Former WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mother was killed in a head-on crash in Illinois with an illegal immigrant who had a disturbing history of drunk driving, according to authorities.
Darcy Connolly-Brunner, 61, was struck when Rolando Ico-Choc, a 30-year-old Guatemalan national, crossed over into the wrong lane in Freeport on Saturday afternoon, the Stephenson County Sheriff’s office said.
The migrant, who had a hefty rap sheet including multiple prior DUIs, was also killed in the wreck, according to officials.

He was in the country illegally. So why was he not deported after his first DUI? I think "sanctuary city/state" policies that prohibit locals from working with ICE to deport even criminal illegals.

Sen. Chesney blasted the state’s lax immigration law — known as the TRUST Act — that prevents local cops from working with ICE to nab criminal migrants.

TRUST Act is the Illinois version of a "sanctuary state" law.
When did this illegal come into the US?

Ico-Choc came to the US illegally when he swam across the Rio Grande river in July 2021, a source told The Post.
He was released into the US by border agents after being given a future court date of September 2026, the source added.

He came here illegally in 2021, under Biden.
And he was released by border patrol and allowed to live in the US for 5 years until his court hearing. That's insanity!

While Trump's solutions are also bad, let's not pretend that the "no human being is illegal" attitude that many Democrats have was not in part responsible for Trump getting reelected.

 

[Derec]

Some condemned Littlefeather, saying she had fabricated an identity to promote her Hollywood career. But others strongly objected to Keeler’s investigation, saying it ignored the complicated ways Native identity can be formed, particularly for those who do not meet the formal criteria for tribal membership. Enrollment typically requires proof of tribal ties, often described in terms of one’s percentage of “Indian blood,” or “blood quantum.”

Hell, even somebody as pale-faced as Elizabeth "Fauxcachontas" Warren can claim Indian identity and the coveted "woman of color" status these days.

The Apache tribe extended far south into central Mexico.

Apaches came to the Southwest from Canada, eh, only relatively recently, 1000-1500 CE.
But hey, it only counts as "stolen land" when white people do it.

 

[Derec]

If memory serves, when Marlon Brando had a First Nation person receive his Oscar award and speak, she was boo'd.

Brando was quite a radical politically. He even eulogized one of the Black Panthers (Bobby Hutton) who ambushed Oakland police in 1968.

 

[Politesse]

Some condemned Littlefeather, saying she had fabricated an identity to promote her Hollywood career. But others strongly objected to Keeler’s investigation, saying it ignored the complicated ways Native identity can be formed, particularly for those who do not meet the formal criteria for tribal membership. Enrollment typically requires proof of tribal ties, often described in terms of one’s percentage of “Indian blood,” or “blood quantum.”

Hell, even somebody as pale-faced as Elizabeth "Fauxcachontas" Warren can claim Indian identity and the coveted "woman of color" status these days.

The Apache tribe extended far south into central Mexico.

Apaches came to the Southwest from Canada, eh, only relatively recently, 1000-1500 CE.
But hey, it only counts as "stolen land" when white people do it.

The Apachería is not and was never stolen land. Well, not stolen by the Apache bands at any rate. They never claimed to exclusively own it, to sell its produce as commodities for their own profit, or to deny anyone access it. Just being somewhere that one was not previously is not an act of theft. A simple reality seemingly difficult for braindead conservatives to understand...

 

[Toni]

Its a little short sided to think that scumbaggery in Hollywood is limited to the conservatives:

Weinstein Effect

I don't know the political affiliations of all those named in the link, but its fair to say a good chunk, if not the vast majority, are on the left given the historic political leanings of Hollywood.

As a wise man once said, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany."

Of course I don't think scumbaggery is limited to conservatives. But it has long been conservative actors that have complained that they are not getting jobs because of being conservatives. Which is false as I pointed out a couple big name conservative actors. It is a false cry of victimhood used to deflect the actual reasons they might not be getting work.

The point is scumbaggery, or at least the support for it is a growing requirement of Trump supporters. From the examples I gave look at Kanye, he was a big name in music at one point. But now he is making songs openly praising Hitler. So what studio is willing to risk a $100 million on a film on actors that are potentially going to excuse racism, if not outright support it? It would not be not working with them because they are 'conservative', but because they are likely to show themselves has a horrible person that will cause people to avoid anything they are connected to.

What conservative actors claim they are not getting jobs because of their politics, and why don't you believe them? Just because you have two anecdotes "proving" otherwise, doesn't mean its not happening. I presume you include Dean Cain among these, since you quoted the link about him. Kanye West is not a good example. He gets shunned not so much for having conservative views at times, but because, well...he's fucking crazy. A real loose cannon! If you look at his overall behavior the last few years you will realize he drastically needs mental health help.

Is it really any surprise that someone might think they're getting not acting jobs because of their conservative/Trump support? Or that many have taken the very wise step of staying in the closet about it? Afterall, they are up against the mob...

There have been numerous articles about actors claiming they are not getting roles because of their politics. Whether or not that is true is a different matter. From the names I’ve seen, that seems less likely than their a tung skills, previous roles

This tragic case exemplifies how broken our immigration system had become.
Ex-WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mom killed in head-on crash with illegal immigrant with history of driving drunk

Former WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mother was killed in a head-on crash in Illinois with an illegal immigrant who had a disturbing history of drunk driving, according to authorities.
Darcy Connolly-Brunner, 61, was struck when Rolando Ico-Choc, a 30-year-old Guatemalan national, crossed over into the wrong lane in Freeport on Saturday afternoon, the Stephenson County Sheriff’s office said.
The migrant, who had a hefty rap sheet including multiple prior DUIs, was also killed in the wreck, according to officials.

He was in the country illegally. So why was he not deported after his first DUI? I think "sanctuary city/state" policies that prohibit locals from working with ICE to deport even criminal illegals.

Sen. Chesney blasted the state’s lax immigration law — known as the TRUST Act — that prevents local cops from working with ICE to nab criminal migrants.

TRUST Act is the Illinois version of a "sanctuary state" law.
When did this illegal come into the US?

Ico-Choc came to the US illegally when he swam across the Rio Grande river in July 2021, a source told The Post.
He was released into the US by border agents after being given a future court date of September 2026, the source added.

He came here illegally in 2021, under Biden.
And he was released by border patrol and allowed to live in the US for 5 years until his court hearing. That's insanity!

While Trump's solutions are also bad, let's not pretend that the "no human being is illegal" attitude that many Democrats have was not in part responsible for Trump getting reelected.

No human being is illegal.

Most drunk driving offenses in the US are committed by US citizens.

Immigration courts have been backed up for a long time. That is a big problem.

I do not know when and exactly what his first dui offense was. Trust me: I am as opposed to driving under the influence as you are, no matter who.

 

[TV and credit cards]

This tragic case exemplifies how broken our immigration system had become.
Ex-WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mom killed in head-on crash with illegal immigrant with history of driving drunk

Former WNBA star Sophie Brunner’s mother was killed in a head-on crash in Illinois with an illegal immigrant who had a disturbing history of drunk driving, according to authorities.
Darcy Connolly-Brunner, 61, was struck when Rolando Ico-Choc, a 30-year-old Guatemalan national, crossed over into the wrong lane in Freeport on Saturday afternoon, the Stephenson County Sheriff’s office said.
The migrant, who had a hefty rap sheet including multiple prior DUIs, was also killed in the wreck, according to officials.

He was in the country illegally. So why was he not deported after his first DUI? I think "sanctuary city/state" policies that prohibit locals from working with ICE to deport even criminal illegals.

Sen. Chesney blasted the state’s lax immigration law — known as the TRUST Act — that prevents local cops from working with ICE to nab criminal migrants.

TRUST Act is the Illinois version of a "sanctuary state" law.
When did this illegal come into the US?

Ico-Choc came to the US illegally when he swam across the Rio Grande river in July 2021, a source told The Post.
He was released into the US by border agents after being given a future court date of September 2026, the source added.

He came here illegally in 2021, under Biden.
And he was released by border patrol and allowed to live in the US for 5 years until his court hearing. That's insanity!

While Trump's solutions are also bad, let's not pretend that the "no human being is illegal" attitude that many Democrats have was not in part responsible for Trump getting reelected.

No human being is illegal.

Most drunk driving offenses in the US are committed by US citizens.

Immigration courts have been backed up for a long time. That is a big problem.

I do not know when and exactly what his first dui offense was. Trust me: I am as opposed to driving under the influence as you are, no matter who.

There's the Advanced Impaired Driving Technology (Section 24220) to be required in all new passenger vehicles in Joe Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, aka Spendapalooza Part I. That will move us in the right direction.

A side note: In the linked article, the one picture looks like Darcy Connolly in a bar with underage kids.

 

[Derec]

No human being is illegal.

That attitude leads to excusing, or even supporting, illegal migration.
And it's part of that stupid sign that popped up in front of houses a decade ago or so that conflated a whole bunch of unrelated issues.

Most drunk driving offenses in the US are committed by US citizens.

So? Why do you think the fact that a crime is also done by citizens should mean that illegals who commit it should not be deported?

Immigration courts have been backed up for a long time. That is a big problem.

It is, and waving through a bunch more illegal border crossers (as was the Biden administration policy) is not a way to ease that backlog.

I do not know when and exactly what his first dui offense was. Trust me: I am as opposed to driving under the influence as you are, no matter who.

You just don't think that illegals caught driving drunk (or committing any other crime) should be deported?

 

[Derec]

There's the Advanced Impaired Driving Technology (Section 24220) to be required in all new passenger vehicles in Joe Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, aka Spendapalooza Part I. That will move us in the right direction.

I disagree. It will add to the cost of (already very expensive) new cars, and, for future used cars, it will brick the vehicle if it fails, requiring towing and expensive repairs. The more junk is mandated on cars, the more things can fail.
This tech should only be mandated for those who have had a previous DUI.

And it will not solve the problem of sanctuary cities and states. DUI is not the only crime that illegals can committ only to be protected and shielded by the local powers that be.

A side note: In the linked article, the one picture looks like Darcy Connolly in a bar with underage kids.

Really? None of them necessarily look like <21 (and US drinking age is ridiculous, but that's another issue). Besides, I think that photo is taken at a house bar, not a public one.
What does that have to do with an illegal with a series of DUIs who wasn't deported as he should have been crossing the median and killing this woman?

 

[bilby]

Why would a non-citizen who commits a motoring offense suffer a harsher penalty than a citizen?

I mean, I am in favour of sending people to a foreign hellhole to be tortured, if they commit a motoring offense that results in death; I just don't see any logic in only doing so if they are non-citizens.

The law should strive to be even-handed. All offenders should suffer the same penalty for the same offence. Throw every offender out of the country, or none.

 

[Derec]

Why would a non-citizen who commits a motoring offense suffer a harsher penalty than a citizen?

Citizens have more rights in a country than non-citizens.
But here were are talking not just about non-citizens with a valid visa, but about people who should not be here in the first place.

I mean, I am in favour of sending people to a foreign hellhole to be tortured,

Why do you think a Guatemalan economic migrant would be "tortured" if sent back home?

if they commit a motoring offense that results in death; I just don't see any logic in only doing so if they are non-citizens.

Illegals should be sent home in general, but especially if they commit a criminal offense. Legal aliens should be deported home if they commit a crime of sufficient severity. There is no logic to deport citizens, unless they obtained citizenship fraudulently, like Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odeh - who incidentally enjoyed a lot of support in leftist circles.

The law should strive to be even-handed. All offenders should suffer the same penalty for the same offence. Throw every offender out of the country, or none.

But legal status - citizen, permanent resident, temporary visitor, or here illegally matters.
Do you think a country should not distinguish between these categories and treat everybody who crosses the border as citizens?

 

[Toni]

No human being is illegal.

That attitude leads to excusing, or even supporting, illegal migration.
And it's part of that stupid sign that popped up in front of houses a decade ago or so that conflated a whole bunch of unrelated issues.

Most drunk driving offenses in the US are committed by US citizens.

So? Why do you think the fact that a crime is also done by citizens should mean that illegals who commit it should not be deported?

Immigration courts have been backed up for a long time. That is a big problem.

It is, and waving through a bunch more illegal border crossers (as was the Biden administration policy) is not a way to ease that backlog.

I do not know when and exactly what his first dui offense was. Trust me: I am as opposed to driving under the influence as you are, no matter who.

You just don't think that illegals caught driving drunk (or committing any other crime) should be deported?

No: The FACT is that no human being is illegal.

No human being is illegal.

That attitude leads to excusing, or even supporting, illegal migration.
And it's part of that stupid sign that popped up in front of houses a decade ago or so that conflated a whole bunch of unrelated issues.

Most drunk driving offenses in the US are committed by US citizens.

So? Why do you think the fact that a crime is also done by citizens should mean that illegals who commit it should not be deported?

Immigration courts have been backed up for a long time. That is a big problem.

It is, and waving through a bunch more illegal border crossers (as was the Biden administration policy) is not a way to ease that backlog.

I do not know when and exactly what his first dui offense was. Trust me: I am as opposed to driving under the influence as you are, no matter who.

You just don't think that illegals caught driving drunk (or committing any other crime) should be deported?

No human being is illegal. Calling undocumented immigrants 'illegal' is dehumanizing and makes it easier to do things like send them to concentration camps. NO ONE should ever be sent to a concentration camp. FULL STOP

Whether one is in the US with all proper documentation or not, whether or not one is a citizen or not, everyone in the US has civil rights, including the right to due process. I don't know all of the particulars of this person's history but I do think that anyone convicted of a DUI should get due process, meaning that they are sentenced (if convicted or if they plead ) to whatever sentence the court thinks is appropriate. Additional DUIs should almost always carry a heavier penalty. I'm using the word always because I really do not like absolutes. Jail may or may not be the appropriate penalty. Depending on the laws in force, after someone completes their sentence it is possible that they SHOULD be deported. Again, a lot depends on a circumstances.

Immigration courts have been backed up for the past 40+ years--at least as long as I've paid any attention and almost certainly before that.

Biden did not 'wave immigrants in' but there was an increase of immigrants after Trump left office the first time, likely suppressed border crossings due to the COVID epidemic. Border crossings increased as did deportations. Biden deported more during his term than Trump did during his first term.

 

[Toni]

Why would a non-citizen who commits a motoring offense suffer a harsher penalty than a citizen?

Citizens have more rights in a country than non-citizens.
But here were are talking not just about non-citizens with a valid visa, but about people who should not be here in the first place.

I mean, I am in favour of sending people to a foreign hellhole to be tortured,

Why do you think a Guatemalan economic migrant would be "tortured" if sent back home?

if they commit a motoring offense that results in death; I just don't see any logic in only doing so if they are non-citizens.

Illegals should be sent home in general, but especially if they commit a criminal offense. Legal aliens should be deported home if they commit a crime of sufficient severity. There is no logic to deport citizens, unless they obtained citizenship fraudulently, like Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odeh - who incidentally enjoyed a lot of support in leftist circles.

The law should strive to be even-handed. All offenders should suffer the same penalty for the same offence. Throw every offender out of the country, or none.

But legal status - citizen, permanent resident, temporary visitor, or here illegally matters.
Do you think a country should not distinguish between these categories and treat everybody who crosses the border as citizens?

Non-citizens within the borders of the US have most of the same rights as US citizens. There has been a lack of clarity of whether, for instance, non-citizens have the right to bear arms that has not been definitively decided by courts.

My belief is that if you are convicted of a crime in the US, and you are NOT a legal citizen or legal immigrant, AFTER your sentence you should be reviewed for deportation. I really do not believe in a one size fits all policy. For example: Being convicted of murder is vastly different than being convicted of shoplifting. I am not diminishing the evils of shoplifting. I'm just saying that in terms of severity, murder is a lot worse.

I think that everyone who crosses the US border has the right to expect to exercise all the rights granted to non-US citizens.

We are, or we were, a country of laws.

 

[TV and credit cards]

There's the Advanced Impaired Driving Technology (Section 24220) to be required in all new passenger vehicles in Joe Biden's Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, aka Spendapalooza Part I. That will move us in the right direction.

I disagree. It will add to the cost of (already very expensive) new cars, and, for future used cars, it will brick the vehicle if it fails, requiring towing and expensive repairs. The more junk is mandated on cars, the more things can fail.
This tech should only be mandated for those who have had a previous DUI.

And it will not solve the problem of sanctuary cities and states. DUI is not the only crime that illegals can committ only to be protected and shielded by the local powers that be.

A side note: In the linked article, the one picture looks like Darcy Connolly in a bar with underage kids.

Really? None of them necessarily look like <21 (and US drinking age is ridiculous, but that's another issue). Besides, I think that photo is taken at a house bar, not a public one.
What does that have to do with an illegal with a series of DUIs who wasn't deported as he should have been crossing the median and killing this woman?

You have no idea what the cost will be. You don't know how long the vehicle will refuse to start let alone if it will be bricked requiring towing. You're guessing. The system could be something as simple as a camera and software; facial recognition, eye tracking, speech recognition.
New vehicles are expensive because if the customer wants option A they have to buy B, C, D, E, F, and G that they don't want. New vehicles are expensive because we are held captive by capitalism run amok. New vehicle breakdown and are expensive to repair because they are intentionally designed to do so. Any impaired driving system that might be installed does not have to be prone to fail. These things can be very robust.

My comment about the photo was more on NY Post's editorial decision making. Considering the article content, it was hardly appropriate.

 

[ZiprHead]

New vehicles are expensive because if the customer wants option A they have to buy B, C, D, E, F, and G that they don't want.

This.

When we bought my wife's new Kia in '23, we had to get the GT Line Package to get the Technology Package with the safety features and the upgrade to the Harmon Kardon stereo system. The GT Line Package is nothing but an appearance package. Nothing performance related.

 

[TV and credit cards]

New vehicles are expensive because if the customer wants option A they have to buy B, C, D, E, F, and G that they don't want.

This.

When we bought my wife's new Kia in '23, we had to get the GT Line Package to get the Technology Package with the safety features and the upgrade to the Harmon Kardon stereo system. The GT Line Package is nothing but an appearance package. Nothing performance related.

I know. I look at Tacomas online from time to time. Certain models only come in certain colors. If I want seats with a particular fabric I have to purchase it as part of a package that has a moonroof. A moonroof! In a pickup truck!