Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Loren Pechtel]

Any evidence of this?

Nobody has yet addressed the inconvenient reality that Iran is backing horrors all over the region. The Jews certainly didn't cause the Sudan genocides. Nor that country next to Somalia that I keep forgetting the name of. And Yemen--they've basically taken over Yemen by now.

So are we. So is every "great power". We are all fighting vicious wars in other people's backyards, wars that mostly take innocents and cannot be won or even ended. But you've just to wave your stupid flag over the next field of corpses, eh? You're feigning outrage about countries you can't even remember the name of, for fuck's sake, while plotting the deaths of thousands more in countries the media hasn't even taught you specifically to hate yet.

So much human potential wasted.

Somalia's neighbors are Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djbouti. They have a disputed border with Ethiopea, and are fighting a civil war against a religious extremist organization called Al-Shabab.

And just sort of shouting your opinion again is not "evidence" by any reasonable definition of that word.

We aren't involved in most of Iran's wars.

And it's Eritrea that I keep forgetting. Wasn't on the map I learned growing up.

And the wars are unwinnable because we have been fighting against fundamentalist Islamist terrorists with backing from states we do not want to go to war with. Not fighting just means fighting them later when they're stronger. It's fight them there, or fight them here later.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Literally adjacent posts:

I am not Z, we disagree about some of the details.

Eleven minutes later:

Your side keeps arguing emotions, you are generally unwilling to face the unpleasant facts.

(my bold)

FFS.

Your side is presenting a pretty monolithic position. Nothing less than perfection is acceptable from Israel, Israel is the cause of the violence, and they are automatically wrong in any disputed issue.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And they are aware of this. Educated Arabs are very aware that Arab culture is dysfunctional and that western values are, in general, better. They understand that the reason the Middle-East is a mess, is Arab culture. But it is culture. It's in our bones. It's hard to change. But I have hope. I'm convinced Arabs can change, and will change. It just takes time. It's also not just religion. All the various religions in the area, have roughly, the same culture. So I'm not going to just blame it on Islam. Right now Gazans are of course extremely aware of how awful Hamas is. I'm hoping enough Gazans get over their fear of being religious traitors, and turn on Hamas. It is happening. To an extent.

I don't even think it's religion. Look up hydraulic empire. (I learned it as water monopoly empire) There is no term for a food monopoly empire but that's what Hamas has been. The people can't turn on Hamas without starving. But this means the GHF may break Hamas' stranglehold.

 

[Politesse]

Any evidence of this?

Nobody has yet addressed the inconvenient reality that Iran is backing horrors all over the region. The Jews certainly didn't cause the Sudan genocides. Nor that country next to Somalia that I keep forgetting the name of. And Yemen--they've basically taken over Yemen by now.

So are we. So is every "great power". We are all fighting vicious wars in other people's backyards, wars that mostly take innocents and cannot be won or even ended. But you've just to wave your stupid flag over the next field of corpses, eh? You're feigning outrage about countries you can't even remember the name of, for fuck's sake, while plotting the deaths of thousands more in countries the media hasn't even taught you specifically to hate yet.

So much human potential wasted.

Somalia's neighbors are Kenya, Ethiopia, and Djbouti. They have a disputed border with Ethiopea, and are fighting a civil war against a religious extremist organization called Al-Shabab.

And just sort of shouting your opinion again is not "evidence" by any reasonable definition of that word.

We aren't involved in most of Iran's wars.

And it's Eritrea that I keep forgetting. Wasn't on the map I learned growing up.

And the wars are unwinnable because we have been fighting against fundamentalist Islamist terrorists with backing from states we do not want to go to war with. Not fighting just means fighting them later when they're stronger. It's fight them there, or fight them here later.

"We" aren't fighting anyone, you coward. Mailing bullets to a foreign country so they can keep your boogeymen away is not fighting a war. But no, our allies will not win any wars either. Modern wars are hydras, they cannot be "won" for any length of time and their blood permanently poisons and withers the ground.

 

[bilby]

Literally adjacent posts:

I am not Z, we disagree about some of the details.

Eleven minutes later:

Your side keeps arguing emotions, you are generally unwilling to face the unpleasant facts.

(my bold)

FFS.

Your side is presenting a pretty monolithic position. Nothing less than perfection is acceptable from Israel, Israel is the cause of the violence, and they are automatically wrong in any disputed issue.

Literally none of those three things are part of my position, nor (therefore) of any side to which I could possibly belong.

 

[ZiprHead]

“Designed as Death Traps”: Fmr. Green Beret Who Worked at Gaza Food Sites Reveals Rampant War Crimes

As more than 1,000 Palestinians have been killed seeking aid at militarized aid distribution sites run by the U.S.- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a former GHF security contractor tells Democracy Now! he saw U.S. mercenaries and Israeli forces commit war crimes by indiscriminately shooting at starving Palestinians waiting for aid. “What I witnessed in Gaza, I can only describe as a dystopian, post-apocalyptic wasteland,” says Anthony Aguilar, a retired U.S. soldier who worked as a subcontractor with UG Solutions in the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation aid delivery operation. “We, the United States, are complicit. We are involved, hand in hand, in the atrocities and the genocide that is currently undergoing in Gaza.”

What I witnessed in Gaza, I can only describe as a dystopian, post-apocalyptic wasteland. We — we, the United States — are complicit. We are involved, hand in hand, in the atrocities and the genocide that is currently undergoing in Gaza. For anyone who says that there is no starvation or mass hunger, or that not only are we at the precipice, but we have stepped over the line of wide-scale famine, to anyone who says that that’s not happening, shame on you. Shame on you. It’s inhumane.

What I witnessed in Gaza at all four distribution sites — I didn’t just go to one for a photo-op. I didn’t go to one to watch a distribution and then say, “Yes, this looks great.” I spent days on end in Gaza at all four distribution sites, at Kerem Shalom, where the aid is loaded for distribution, and at both operation centers that control the daily convoys, logistics operations and distribution for the four sites. What I saw on the sites, around the sites, to and from the sites, can be described as nothing but war crimes, crimes against humanity, violations of international law. This is not hyperbole. This is not platitudes or drama. This is the truth.

I break that down by what I would describe as the sites themselves. I spoke to Senator Van Hollen last week, and we had a very frank discussion on the status of the sites and what’s at these sites. The sites have not only become death traps, they were designed as death traps. All four distribution locations were intentionally, deliberately constructed, planned and built in the middle of an active combat zone. Some may argue, “Well, all of Gaza is a war zone.” That may be true, but there are parts of Gaza that are direct — or, determined to be active, operational combat zones where Israeli Defense Forces are operating. Those sites were built in the middle of those areas intentionally. It’s not by accident. That, in and of itself, to designate humanitarian distribution sites to service an unarmed, starving population, to build them deliberately in an active combat zone, is a violation of the Geneva Convention protocols. It’s a violation of humanitarian law. And in my opinion, it’s a violation of humanity in general.

Video and full transcript available in the link.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Literally adjacent posts:

I am not Z, we disagree about some of the details.

Eleven minutes later:

Your side keeps arguing emotions, you are generally unwilling to face the unpleasant facts.

(my bold)

FFS.

Your side is presenting a pretty monolithic position. Nothing less than perfection is acceptable from Israel, Israel is the cause of the violence, and they are automatically wrong in any disputed issue.

Literally none of those three things are part of my position, nor (therefore) of any side to which I could possibly belong.

That's not the impression I have gotten