Legal definition of woman is based on biological sex, UK supreme court rules

[Emily Lake]

Someone is arresting that perve.

Someone ALLOWED that perv into female locker rooms in the first place, based solely on a SEX OFFENDER'S assertion that he has womanly feels. JFC, they didn't press charges on a known fucking sex offender with child porn on his phone, and a list of kids swimming lesson times on there... because he said he's transgender.

So... giant fucking loophole, visible from the orbit of saturn, that allows predators to gain access to women and children, and to do so under the auspices of the law all based on their assertion of internal, subjective, unverifiable special feelings.

But sure, women who object to men being given access to single sex intimate spaces solely on their say so are the bigots who are overreacting and need to calm down.

 

[TomC]

They allowed a registered sex offender to use the girls locker room.

Registered sex offender Richard Cox was back in an Arlington, Virginia, courtroom Thursday for a lengthy preliminary hearing. Cox is accused of exposing himself to multiple women and children in Arlington Public Schools' girls’ locker room. In court Thursday morning. Cox repeatedly insisted he is a woman, and insisted the judge order the prosecutor to stop misgendering him and to use female pronouns. Fairfax County Police Chief Kevin Davis has defended his department’s decision not to file charges against Cox for his visits to Fairfax County rec centers, saying Fairfax County’s policy, set by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors and the park authority, allows people to use locker rooms based on gender identity.

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Can you show me on this doll where Mr. Ms. Davis hurt you?
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PLEASE, NO, STOP!
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Maybe the judge and other staff should let the pronouns go and refer to "Cox'?
Dick Cox?
Tom

 

[Emily Lake]

They allowed a registered sex offender to use the girls locker room.

Registered sex offender Richard Cox was back in an Arlington, Virginia, courtroom Thursday for a lengthy preliminary hearing. Cox is accused of exposing himself to multiple women and children in Arlington Public Schools' girls’ locker room. In court Thursday morning. Cox repeatedly insisted he is a woman, and insisted the judge order the prosecutor to stop misgendering him and to use female pronouns. Fairfax County Police Chief Kevin Davis has defended his department’s decision not to file charges against Cox for his visits to Fairfax County rec centers, saying Fairfax County’s policy, set by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors and the park authority, allows people to use locker rooms based on gender identity.

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Original arrest

Can you show me on this doll where Mr. Ms. Davis hurt you?
View attachment 52232
No, wait … don’t do that.
PLEASE, NO, STOP!
Aaaaagh!

I'd like to extend the invitation to revise your post, or at least offer a considerable amount of clarification. Because right now, it looks an awful lot like you're DEFENDING a registered sex offender in possession of child porn, with a list of children's swim times, who was hanging out in the female locker room naked.

 

[laughing dog]

Someone is arresting that perve.

Someone ALLOWED that perv into female locker rooms in the first place, based solely on a SEX OFFENDER'S assertion that he has womanly feels.

There were no guards. The sheriff - who is clearly makes morons look bright - fucked up

JFC, they didn't press charges on a known fucking sex offender with child porn on his phone, and a list of kids swimming lesson times on there... because he said he's transgender.

And because the sheriff is a moron. A sex offender is a sex offender regardless of gender.

 

[Elixir]

I'd like to extend the invitation to revise your post, or at least offer a considerable amount of clarification.

Too late! Wrong name. My bad.

 

[Emily Lake]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

That is redundant. And likely incorrect. After all, geocentrism was supported by science and astronomy.

But thanks for doing your typical slice and dice and then leave a shit in the thread routine.

There are only two sexes in humans. There are only two sexes in all mammals, all birds, the overwhelming majority of vertebrates, and a sizable portion of plants.

Gender, on the other hand, is simply the way in which a person likes to express themself as it relates to the prevailing sex-based stereotypes of their culture. There's bazillions of ways for that to happen, and I support everyone's right to engage in them to their heart's content... but it doesn't change one's sex. Their sex stays what it was since about the 7th week of gestation, even if the exterior is manipulated to mimic the opposite sex extremely well.

Neither one's sex nor one's presentation and behavior should preclude a person from owning a home, renting a jet ski, ordering a steak, or studying a subject, or any number of other commonplace scenarios we can imagine. In most of the ways we interact in society neither of those are pertinent - They're irrelevant, and should be irrelevant in those situations!

But even so, there are some situations where one or the other of them actually do matter. A person's preferences and desires around how they wish to dress, or to present themselves, or to express themselves certainly matters when they're shopping and purchasing items related to those presentations - clothing, or jewelry, make-up, accessories, or all sorts of other things. There are probably other scenarios where they matter too.

There are some spaces and services where sex matters. And in those spaces and services, they happen to matter a whole lot more for women than for men. In spaces where we're naked or particularly vulnerable, it actually matters a lot that we're females, but it doesn't matter one bit if we like short hair and steel-toed boots. How "butch" we look is of little import when your vulnerability to a sexual assault is heightened. If you're in prison, or are confined somewhere you can't reasonably leave like a hospital bed, it can matter a lot if the person in the bed right next to you while you sleep is male... but it doesn't make any difference how you present. In athletics, the normal distribution of ability and strength of your opponents is what makes the competition fair and meaningful, so when the person across from you falls well outside the standard deviation of the abilities of similarly skilled competitors, that has a big impact.

I don't believe that a person's internal identity as it relates to their preferences around presentation should take precedence over the realities of sex in spaces and services where sex matters.

 

[Emily Lake]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

Gender is a social construct. Why does society even need to pay attention to it? It's clearly relevant to romantic situations but otherwise I think it's not the government's business.

I don’t think it need be relevant to romantic situations. That’s not “clearly” true.

If we're talking about gender, I don't think disclosure is even a thing. I mean, gender is about how a person presents and behaves in society relative to the sex-based norms of their culture. I would assume that those means of presentation would be known prior to any romantic engagement, probably before romantic desire even really developed.

On the other hand, if we're talking about sex... well... I'm pretty sure it's relevant to romantic situations what combination of innies and outies is involved.

 

[Emily Lake]

I'd like to extend the invitation to revise your post, or at least offer a considerable amount of clarification.

Too late! Wrong name. My bad.

I fail to see how a name makes any difference to how I'm viewing your post.

 

[Elixir]

I fail to see how a name makes any difference to how I'm viewing your post.

It was ill expressed and I apologize. Guess you deserve the long version such as it is.
Basically I see a fairly severe tempest in a teacup. I know a few trans people, lots of gay people, lots of "straight" AFAIK, a few androgynous types whose sexual preferences I don't know and don't really care about, but at the end of the day it doesn't really effect me like a LOT of other things do. I wonder how many here are directly effected, especially how many on the right, where it seems like most of the noise is coming from.
In libspeak, I suspect a lot of paranoia.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

Naïveté is so cute!!

A lot of unpack there. The reason many people are stuck on two genders is not really inertial. There is a real binary here, even if it's not perfect. On the physical level, there are various intersex conditions. And trans can perhaps be understood as intersex with regard to brain-genitalia disconnect. Just because it affects the brain does not make it any less real than, say, testosterone insensitivity.

Which is how I see it. It's pretty clear the brain is in some way wired with a gender perception even though we do not yet know how it works.

That said, these are failures of normal development. The human species is still gonochoric. TSwizzle is right there, and trans activists who want to eliminate the binary norm because of some exceptions are going too far. But people like TSwizzle also go too far when they try to dismiss the very real existence of people to whom the binary does not apply.

The thing is there are the non-binary. That's not a case of following the wrong path, that's in some fashion both paths. I see it more like sexual attraction--most people fall into either male-attracted or female-attracted but intermediate states exist. And if there are intermediates it is by definition not binary. The problem comes from trying to pigeonhole people. People simply are, quit trying to pigeonhole and the problem goes away. We have "male" and "female" backpacks--but there's a decent amount of cross-gender use because it's really a matter of proportions. Likewise sleeping bags. The better your bag conforms to your body shape the more warmth you will get for a given weight and bulk. The market has been shifting towards marketing based on size, not gender.

 

[TomC]

Basically I see a fairly severe tempest in a teacup.

You are a male. You have little to be concerned about.
I, personally, probably have even less. I'm a burly gay male naturist. I couldn't care less about who sees me naked or who I see naked.
Women have a very different issue to deal with, and have their whole lives. Men are dangerous to them in a way that neither sex is to men. From the minor discomfort of being ogled to brutal sexual assaults it's just different for women.
And like it or not, having a penis is proof of being male. Expecting women to get over themselves and their deeply ingrained feelings because a dude wants to use the women's spaces is utterly ridiculous.
Tom

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The reason why some people are stuck on two genders is inertia, in some part religious based inertia.

Nope, it's science and biology.

Gender is a social construct. Why does society even need to pay attention to it? It's clearly relevant to romantic situations but otherwise I think it's not the government's business.

I don’t think it need be relevant to romantic situations. That’s not “clearly” true.

If we're talking about gender, I don't think disclosure is even a thing. I mean, gender is about how a person presents and behaves in society relative to the sex-based norms of their culture. I would assume that those means of presentation would be known prior to any romantic engagement, probably before romantic desire even really developed.

On the other hand, if we're talking about sex... well... I'm pretty sure it's relevant to romantic situations what combination of innies and outies is involved.

That's why I said "romantic". If you're on the road towards playing with innies and outies it's only proper to disclose what bits you bring to the table.

 

[Elixir]

You are a male. You have little to be concerned about.

I think a lot of concerns have easy remedies, e.g. the terribly complex bathrooms dilemma. We have men's, women's and all gender rooms at our pool. There's never been an issue in the 25 years I've been there* (the all gender rooms were added about 10 years ago). Other situations are probably more complicated, and like you, nudity/exposure isn't a big deal to me. But I still think it's overblown because simple, effective solutions are overlooked in favor of handwringing.

* I saw one guy get kicked out and police called because he exposed himself underwater, according to the guard I queried - nothing to do with whose bathrooms are whose.

From the minor discomfort of being ogled to brutal sexual assaults it's just different for women.

I believe that's VERY true. Protecting them from attacks should NOT be rocket science. Ogles might be another matter, since they happen with or without clothing.

 

[bilby]

It's pretty clear the brain is in some way wired with a gender perception even though we do not yet know how it works.

It's pretty clear that anything that I wholeheartedly believe is hard-wired into all human brains, and that the things my opponents claim to believe are therefore unnatural, and that they actually secretly agree with me, and that they are lying in an effort to destroy everything that is good and right in the world.

It's total bollocks; But it's pretty clear. To everyone.