Split New York City Mayoral Race

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not the issue of the content. It's the issue that Qatari money comes with Qatari influence.

Assuming your premise is true (a dubious assumption), what do you think "Qatari influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

How would you react if you had learned that Moscow funded the movies?

I'd ask the following question: what do you think "Russian influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

You are still not addressing the issue, just trying to pretend it's irrelevant. Nor are you addressing the reframed issue of what if it was Moscow?

We don't know the details. That doesn't mean it's not highly suspect.

I am addressing the “issue”. You are not. I’ll ask a third time. Why is it highly suspect?

Because Qatari money comes with strings. They're doing it for influence, not from the goodness of their hearts.

You know this because….? And what strings?

You're still evading. Substitute "Moscow" for "Qatari" and evaluate it.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not the issue of the content. It's the issue that Qatari money comes with Qatari influence.

Assuming your premise is true (a dubious assumption), what do you think "Qatari influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

How would you react if you had learned that Moscow funded the movies?

I'd ask the following question: what do you think "Russian influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

You are still not addressing the issue, just trying to pretend it's irrelevant. Nor are you addressing the reframed issue of what if it was Moscow?

We don't know the details. That doesn't mean it's not highly suspect.

I am addressing the “issue”. You are not. I’ll ask a third time. Why is it highly suspect?

Because Qatari money comes with strings. They're doing it for influence, not from the goodness of their hearts.

You know this because….? And what strings?

You're still evading. Substitute "Moscow" for "Qatari" and evaluate it.

You are the one evading. I asked “what strings” twice. No answer.

And when you previously pulled the substitute Moscow for Qatar evasion in post #335, I responded with what one would expect Mamdani’s mother to accomplish (i.e. what string). You responded I was not addressing the issue.

As far as I can tell, the issue is your paranoia over Qatari influence to some unspecified end that you are unable to explain.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not the issue of the content. It's the issue that Qatari money comes with Qatari influence.

Assuming your premise is true (a dubious assumption), what do you think "Qatari influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

How would you react if you had learned that Moscow funded the movies?

I'd ask the following question: what do you think "Russian influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

You are still not addressing the issue, just trying to pretend it's irrelevant. Nor are you addressing the reframed issue of what if it was Moscow?

We don't know the details. That doesn't mean it's not highly suspect.

I am addressing the “issue”. You are not. I’ll ask a third time. Why is it highly suspect?

Because Qatari money comes with strings. They're doing it for influence, not from the goodness of their hearts.

You know this because….? And what strings?

You're still evading. Substitute "Moscow" for "Qatari" and evaluate it.

You are the one evading. I asked “what strings” twice. No answer.

And when you previously pulled the substitute Moscow for Qatar evasion in post #335, I responded with what one would expect Mamdani’s mother to accomplish (i.e. what string). You responded I was not addressing the issue.

As far as I can tell, the issue is your paranoia over Qatari influence to some unspecified end that you are unable to explain.

We don't know exactly what they expect for their money. I'm simply comparing it to another situation with taking money from a hostile power.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not the issue of the content. It's the issue that Qatari money comes with Qatari influence.

Assuming your premise is true (a dubious assumption), what do you think "Qatari influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

How would you react if you had learned that Moscow funded the movies?

I'd ask the following question: what do you think "Russian influence" on Mamdani's mother is going to possibly accomplish?

You are still not addressing the issue, just trying to pretend it's irrelevant. Nor are you addressing the reframed issue of what if it was Moscow?

We don't know the details. That doesn't mean it's not highly suspect.

I am addressing the “issue”. You are not. I’ll ask a third time. Why is it highly suspect?

Because Qatari money comes with strings. They're doing it for influence, not from the goodness of their hearts.

You know this because….? And what strings?

You're still evading. Substitute "Moscow" for "Qatari" and evaluate it.

You are the one evading. I asked “what strings” twice. No answer.

And when you previously pulled the substitute Moscow for Qatar evasion in post #335, I responded with what one would expect Mamdani’s mother to accomplish (i.e. what string). You responded I was not addressing the issue.

As far as I can tell, the issue is your paranoia over Qatari influence to some unspecified end that you are unable to explain.

We don't know exactly what they expect for their money. I'm simply comparing it to another situation with taking money from a hostile power.

In other words, paranoia.

 

[unapologetic]

paranoia over Qatari influence to some unspecified end that you are unable to explain.

The detales don't matter. ANY influence they have to bribe for can not be good for us. Bribery is alwas a red flag.

 

[ZiprHead]

No longer defiant, Mayor Eric Adams says he'll drop out of race

Eric Adams dropped out of the mayoral race following sagging poll numbers and rampant rumors political power players wanted him out of the race.

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Politesse]

Damn, one less spoiler.

 

[laughing dog]

paranoia over Qatari influence to some unspecified end that you are unable to explain.

The detales don't matter. ANY influence they have to bribe for can not be good for us. Bribery is alwas a red flag.

How is funding documentaries about Qatari pearl divers or Afghani refugees to the mother of a NYC councilman a bribe?

 

[unapologetic]

How is funding documentaries about Qatari pearl divers or Afghani refugees to the mother of a NYC councilman a bribe?

Is that sarcasm? Who's gonna watch such bullshit?

(If that IS sarcasm, sorry I'm so dense.)

 

[Derec]

How is funding documentaries about Qatari pearl divers or Afghani refugees to the mother of a NYC councilman a bribe?

Is that sarcasm? Who's gonna watch such bullshit?

(If that IS sarcasm, sorry I'm so dense.)

A documentary about pearl divers could be interesting. Especially if they are free diving.

 

[Derec]

No longer defiant, Mayor Eric Adams says he'll drop out of race

Eric Adams dropped out of the mayoral race following sagging poll numbers and rampant rumors political power players wanted him out of the race.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Damn, one less spoiler.

Unfortunately, this is too little, too late. Unfortunately, Zohran "end goal of seizing the means of production" Mamdani is still a shoo-in for mayor of NYC.

 

[Politesse]

No longer defiant, Mayor Eric Adams says he'll drop out of race

Eric Adams dropped out of the mayoral race following sagging poll numbers and rampant rumors political power players wanted him out of the race.

www.nbcnewyork.com

Damn, one less spoiler.

Unfortunately, this is too little, too late. Unfortunately, Zohran "end goal of seizing the means of production" Mamdani is still a shoo-in for mayor of NYC.

The only thing actually going well for the Democrats right now is that mayor race. Without any kind of influence on the federal government, it's down to whatever independence the cities can hold on to in the face of government suppression of ideas and autnomous policies.

 

[ZiprHead]

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
Self proclaimed New York City Communist, Zohran Mamdani, who is running for Mayor, will prove to be one of the best things to ever happen to our great Republican Party.

He is going to have problems with Washington like no Mayor in the history of our once great City. Remember, he needs the money from me, as President, in order to fulfill all of his FAKE Communist promises. He won't be getting any of it, so what's the point of voting for him? This ideology has failed, always, for thousands of years. It will fail again, and that's guaranteed! President DJT

 

[Shadowy Man]

Why are you culture shaming?

For one, not all cultures are equivalent. Shoveling rice into your maw with your bare hands is not necessary when utensils are widely available.

An American could also eat all of the following foods with utensils, which are widely available in the States, but they instead shovel these into their maws:

Hamburgers, hot dogs, French fries, popcorn, pizza, fried chicken, tacos, sandwiches, and more

Seems like some people want to denigrate members of other cultures who happen to eat other types of foods with their hands.

Edited to add: sorry for jumping in on a post from many pages ago. If the conversation has moved on feel free to ignore me.

 

[bilby]

Why are you culture shaming?

For one, not all cultures are equivalent. Shoveling rice into your maw with your bare hands is not necessary when utensils are widely available.

An American could also eat all of the following foods with utensils, which are widely available in the States, but they instead shovel these into their maws:

Hamburgers, hot dogs, French fries, popcorn, pizza, fried chicken, tacos, sandwiches, and more

Seems like some people want to denigrate members of other cultures who happen to eat other types of foods with their hands.

Edited to add: sorry for jumping in on a post from many pages ago. If the conversation has moved on feel free to ignore me.

 

[Derec]

An American could also eat all of the following foods with utensils, which are widely available in the States, but they instead shovel these into their maws:

Hamburgers, hot dogs, French fries, popcorn, pizza, fried chicken, tacos, sandwiches, and more

Several points:

1. Sandwiches (of which hamburgers, tacos and hot dogs are examples, at least when using more inclusive definitions) are specifically designed to be able to be eaten with hands on the go, with bread or tortillas being there to keep hands relatively clean. Fries likewise are shaped to dip in ketchup/mayo/vinegar without getting your fingers dirty. Quite different than taking handfuls of rice, meat and sauce with your paws.
2. I'll give you meat eaten off the bone like fried chicken, chicken wings and ribs. Quite messy, but not uniquely American.
   
   
3. I would not think any of the foods you mentioned would be appropriate to eat during an interview. Cuomo wasn't scarfing down a NY style slice during an interview, neither did Adams devour a 10 piece of lemon pepper wet wings, nor did Silwa have a zapiekanka.
4. As I said before, I think Mamdani was delibrately "othering" himself, deliberately eating his ethnic food in a way unusual in the US. It's like an American was running for mayor of Amsterdam and insisting to fold his pizza slice even though the Dutch apparently think that that's not etiquette, babe.

Seems like some people want to denigrate members of other cultures who happen to eat other types of foods with their hands.

I think I addressed this adequately in the points above. But to sum up, I think there is an objective difference between some of the foods you listed (specifically sandwich-like foods) and something like biryani, there is a time and place for messy foods, and getting interviewed is neither, and I also think he was deliberately "othering" himself because that's part of his brand.

Edited to add: sorry for jumping in on a post from many pages ago. If the conversation has moved on feel free to ignore me.

It kinda did, but I am still happy to reply.

 

[Derec]

The only thing actually going well for the Democrats right now is that mayor race.

I don't think it is. Zohran Mamdani is not a Democrat. He is a DSAnik running on the Democratic ticket. It's a hostile takeover, not unlike the MAGA takeover of the Republican Party, except that it is local, not federal.

Without any kind of influence on the federal government, it's down to whatever independence the cities can hold on to in the face of government suppression of ideas and autnomous policies.

You don't think NYC could have some independence with a proper Democrat as the nominee? Sure, Cuomo is very flawed, but still better than someone whose end goal is seizing the means of production.

 

[Politesse]

It's a hostile takeover,

Your cutesy byword for "an election", I guess?

You don't think NYC could have some independence with a proper Democrat as the nominee?

No. More fucking corrupt rapist assholes are not what NYC or the country needs.

 

[laughing dog]

An American could also eat all of the following foods with utensils, which are widely available in the States, but they instead shovel these into their maws:

Hamburgers, hot dogs, French fries, popcorn, pizza, fried chicken, tacos, sandwiches, and more

Several points:

1. Sandwiches (of which hamburgers, tacos and hot dogs are examples, at least when using more inclusive definitions) are specifically designed to be able to be eaten with hands on the go, with bread or tortillas being there to keep hands relatively clean. Fries likewise are shaped to dip in ketchup/mayo/vinegar without getting your fingers dirty. Quite different than taking handfuls of rice, meat and sauce with your paws.
2. I'll give you meat eaten off the bone like fried chicken, chicken wings and ribs. Quite messy, but not uniquely American.
   
   
3. I would not think any of the foods you mentioned would be appropriate to eat during an interview. Cuomo wasn't scarfing down a NY style slice during an interview, neither did Adams devour a 10 piece of lemon pepper wet wings, nor did Silwa have a zapiekanka.
4. As I said before, I think Mamdani was delibrately "othering" himself, deliberately eating his ethnic food in a way unusual in the US. It's like an American was running for mayor of Amsterdam and insisting to fold his pizza slice even though the Dutch apparently think that that's not etiquette, babe.

Seems like some people want to denigrate members of other cultures who happen to eat other types of foods with their hands.

I think I addressed this adequately in the points above. But to sum up, I think there is an objective difference between some of the foods you listed (specifically sandwich-like foods) and something like biryani, there is a time and place for messy foods, and getting interviewed is neither, and I also think he was deliberately "othering" himself because that's part of his brand.

Is the proper time and place to serve watercress sandwiches with crusts in your forthcoming your etiquette book?

 

[Derec]

Your cutesy byword for "an election", I guess?

A primary election can be a means of a hostile takeover.

No. More fucking corrupt rapist assholes are not what NYC or the country needs.

I don't think Cuomo was accused of rape, just sexual harassment. And what corruption do you have in mind?

Listen, I don't like Cuomo much either, but probably for very different reasons than you. But I grew up under actually existing socialism, and know that it does not work.