Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[Shadowy Man]

Most shooters are of an age to have access to cars.

Has that bullshit thoroughly debunked argument *ever* worked?

Debunked how? The Islamists in Europe manage to rack up higher scores with ramming attacks than our mass shooters. They're pretty much limited to people near streets but in dense areas there are lots of those.

Never heard of a ramming raid killing over 30 people. Care to back that up?
Also never heard of a single year in a single country where deliberate vehicular homicide surpassed gun deaths. Care to back that up?
But here's a very simple counter argument - most militaries don't equip their troops with fucking Honda Civics.

Most murders are criminal on criminal. They can't legally get guns anyway, so making them illegal won't change that.

And we all know that if you can't prevent most murders there's no point in trying to prevent even some murders.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Shooting in Denver today. Currently three victims right now. This is emerging in addition to the shooting in Utah college.

 

[Elixir]

Shooting in Denver today. Currently three victims right now. This is emerging in addition to the shooting in Utah college.

More "price of having our second amendment". I hope someone has told Charlie about this; might cheer him up.
Oh, and that Kirk deal was def "criminal on criminal".

 

[Tigers!]

Shooting in Denver today. Currently three victims right now. This is emerging in addition to the shooting in Utah college.

Too any weapons, easily accessible by those unfit to own them or use them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

GOP won the arms the race. *balloons*

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Evergreen High School shooter embraced Columbine, antisemitism and white supremacy online

Review shows that Desmond Holly also posted online about Columbine shooting and a picture of a revolver

coloradosun.com

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And while shootings are usually inside there are often groups of kids outside. What about plowing through the crowds lined up to get on the buses?

The thread is about mass shootings in schools tend to occur inside buildings or enclosed playgrounds. Arguing that potential mass killers will use vehicles at schools if they cannot get automatic weapons is insane.

Instead of wasting time on insults and straw men, how about substantiating your claims about Islamist terrorists in Europe and checking your fscts? The latest school mass shooter legally obtained his weapons.

The point is you seem to feel that blocking one path means they won't just do something else. Your opponent is a stupid script that can be lured into the same ambush over and over.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If you want to attack our local HS with a vehicle, it has to be a motorcycle. They built the school a few years ago and put in nice looking slate planters at auto-proof intervals separating the parking lot from school grounds. A lifted rock crawler could probably navigate them but otherwise even a sidecar probably won’t fit.

Which is probably intentional, although it's usually a defense against drunk drivers rather than malicious ones.

 

[Derec]

Not in the US, but Canada.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

The tiny Canadian mountain town of Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, suffered one of the country’s worst school shootings in recent history on Tuesday, when an 18-year-old woman killed at least eight people and wounded dozens.
Police say they still don’t know the motive of the suspected shooter, who killed their mother and step-brother at a home before going to the school, but had previously dealt with them over mental health concerns.
Flags across Canada were lowered to half-staff on Wednesday, and Prime Minister Mark Carney and other national political figures paid their respects in Parliament with speeches and a moment of silence. British Columbia has declared Thursday a day of mourning.
[...]
Police identified the alleged shooter as Jesse Van Rootselaar, an 18-year-old Tumbler Ridge woman who they said had dropped out of school approximately four years ago.
Police had visited Van Rootselaar’s “residence on multiple occasions over the past several years, dealing with concerns of mental health with respect to our suspect,” said McDonald, the deputy police commissioner.
The most recent police visit was last spring and was over “concerns regarding mental health, self-harm.”
“I can say that on different occasions, the suspect was apprehended for assessment and follow up,” McDonald said. Firearms were seized from the home, and later returned after the owner petitioned for them.
Asked whether Van Rootselaar was transgender, McDonald said that police were identifying her “as they chose to be identified in public and in social media.”
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” McDonald said.
There is no information that suggests Van Rootselaar experienced “bullying” at school related to her transition, McDonald said.

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

 

[TSwizzle]

Not in the US, but Canada.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

The tiny Canadian mountain town of Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, suffered one of the country’s worst school shootings in recent history on Tuesday, when an 18-year-old woman killed at least eight people and wounded dozens.
Police say they still don’t know the motive of the suspected shooter, who killed their mother and step-brother at a home before going to the school, but had previously dealt with them over mental health concerns.
Flags across Canada were lowered to half-staff on Wednesday, and Prime Minister Mark Carney and other national political figures paid their respects in Parliament with speeches and a moment of silence. British Columbia has declared Thursday a day of mourning.
[...]
Police identified the alleged shooter as Jesse Van Rootselaar, an 18-year-old Tumbler Ridge woman who they said had dropped out of school approximately four years ago.
Police had visited Van Rootselaar’s “residence on multiple occasions over the past several years, dealing with concerns of mental health with respect to our suspect,” said McDonald, the deputy police commissioner.
The most recent police visit was last spring and was over “concerns regarding mental health, self-harm.”
“I can say that on different occasions, the suspect was apprehended for assessment and follow up,” McDonald said. Firearms were seized from the home, and later returned after the owner petitioned for them.
Asked whether Van Rootselaar was transgender, McDonald said that police were identifying her “as they chose to be identified in public and in social media.”
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” McDonald said.
There is no information that suggests Van Rootselaar experienced “bullying” at school related to her transition, McDonald said.

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

Certainly recently. I wonder why that is? And I wonder why main stream media tend to downplay it.

There are always signs. You have got to laugh at CNN, "an 18 year-old Tumbler Ridge woman"

 

[bilby]

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

Why, was one involved decades ago?

It certainly seems you are primed and biased to preferrentially notice trans individuals and non-Americans committing these kinds of crimes. White American heterosexuals are the group overrepresented in "these kinds of crimes", but you don't notice them for the same reason that fish don't notice water.

In the US, that headline would end "...worst school shooting in days. Here's what we know".

 

[bilby]

I wonder why that is? And I wonder why main stream media tend to downplay it.

Or, just possibly, the wildly inaccurate media tend to overplay it, and your consumption of that drivel has distorted your baseline assumptions.

 

[southernhybrid]

Not in the US, but Canada.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

The tiny Canadian mountain town of Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, suffered one of the country’s worst school shootings in recent history on Tuesday, when an 18-year-old woman killed at least eight people and wounded dozens.
Police say they still don’t know the motive of the suspected shooter, who killed their mother and step-brother at a home before going to the school, but had previously dealt with them over mental health concerns.
Flags across Canada were lowered to half-staff on Wednesday, and Prime Minister Mark Carney and other national political figures paid their respects in Parliament with speeches and a moment of silence. British Columbia has declared Thursday a day of mourning.
[...]
Police identified the alleged shooter as Jesse Van Rootselaar, an 18-year-old Tumbler Ridge woman who they said had dropped out of school approximately four years ago.
Police had visited Van Rootselaar’s “residence on multiple occasions over the past several years, dealing with concerns of mental health with respect to our suspect,” said McDonald, the deputy police commissioner.
The most recent police visit was last spring and was over “concerns regarding mental health, self-harm.”
“I can say that on different occasions, the suspect was apprehended for assessment and follow up,” McDonald said. Firearms were seized from the home, and later returned after the owner petitioned for them.
Asked whether Van Rootselaar was transgender, McDonald said that police were identifying her “as they chose to be identified in public and in social media.”
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” McDonald said.
There is no information that suggests Van Rootselaar experienced “bullying” at school related to her transition, McDonald said.

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

Certainly recently. I wonder why that is? And I wonder why main stream media tend to downplay it.

There are always signs. You have got to laugh at CNN, "an 18 year-old Tumbler Ridge woman"

They didn't play it down. It was a headline in the two major papers I read. Maybe what you call "news" played it down.

Gee, maybe trans folks sometimes become violent and suicidal because of the way that assholes treat them.

 

[Derec]

Certainly recently. I wonder why that is? And I wonder why main stream media tend to downplay it.

I think it probably has to do with hormone therapy. In some cases, it leads to imbalances. Couple that with other mental health issues, and you can get an explosive combination.

There are always signs. You have got to laugh at CNN, "an 18 year-old Tumbler Ridge woman"

The usual convention when talking about trans people.

 

[Derec]

Or, just possibly, the wildly inaccurate media tend to overplay it, and your consumption of that drivel has distorted your baseline assumptions.

School shootings tend to get overplayed by the media in general. So that gives an even baseline for comparison.

 

[TSwizzle]

Certainly recently. I wonder why that is? And I wonder why main stream media tend to downplay it.

I think it probably has to do with hormone therapy. In some cases, it leads to imbalances. Couple that with other mental health issues, and you can get an explosive combination.

Very likely. Plus males have a greater propensity for violence to start with.

 

[laughing dog]

Seems to me the fact that school shooters are mostly biological males is the real issue.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Seems to me the fact that school shooters are mostly biological males is the real issue.

Don't bring that up, they'll accuse you of being sexist against males.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not in the US, but Canada.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

The tiny Canadian mountain town of Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, suffered one of the country’s worst school shootings in recent history on Tuesday, when an 18-year-old woman killed at least eight people and wounded dozens.
Police say they still don’t know the motive of the suspected shooter, who killed their mother and step-brother at a home before going to the school, but had previously dealt with them over mental health concerns.
Flags across Canada were lowered to half-staff on Wednesday, and Prime Minister Mark Carney and other national political figures paid their respects in Parliament with speeches and a moment of silence. British Columbia has declared Thursday a day of mourning.
[...]
Police identified the alleged shooter as Jesse Van Rootselaar, an 18-year-old Tumbler Ridge woman who they said had dropped out of school approximately four years ago.
Police had visited Van Rootselaar’s “residence on multiple occasions over the past several years, dealing with concerns of mental health with respect to our suspect,” said McDonald, the deputy police commissioner.
The most recent police visit was last spring and was over “concerns regarding mental health, self-harm.”
“I can say that on different occasions, the suspect was apprehended for assessment and follow up,” McDonald said. Firearms were seized from the home, and later returned after the owner petitioned for them.
Asked whether Van Rootselaar was transgender, McDonald said that police were identifying her “as they chose to be identified in public and in social media.”
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” McDonald said.
There is no information that suggests Van Rootselaar experienced “bullying” at school related to her transition, McDonald said.

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

Do you have numbers to back up that statement?

It seems to me the vast majority of school shootings are by white male heterosexual individuals. Hey, your a white male heterosexual. Should we call the cops?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Not in the US, but Canada.

Suspected shooter named as community gathers to grieve after Canada’s worst school shooting in decades. Here’s what we know

The tiny Canadian mountain town of Tumbler Ridge, British Columbia, suffered one of the country’s worst school shootings in recent history on Tuesday, when an 18-year-old woman killed at least eight people and wounded dozens.
Police say they still don’t know the motive of the suspected shooter, who killed their mother and step-brother at a home before going to the school, but had previously dealt with them over mental health concerns.
Flags across Canada were lowered to half-staff on Wednesday, and Prime Minister Mark Carney and other national political figures paid their respects in Parliament with speeches and a moment of silence. British Columbia has declared Thursday a day of mourning.
[...]
Police identified the alleged shooter as Jesse Van Rootselaar, an 18-year-old Tumbler Ridge woman who they said had dropped out of school approximately four years ago.
Police had visited Van Rootselaar’s “residence on multiple occasions over the past several years, dealing with concerns of mental health with respect to our suspect,” said McDonald, the deputy police commissioner.
The most recent police visit was last spring and was over “concerns regarding mental health, self-harm.”
“I can say that on different occasions, the suspect was apprehended for assessment and follow up,” McDonald said. Firearms were seized from the home, and later returned after the owner petitioned for them.
Asked whether Van Rootselaar was transgender, McDonald said that police were identifying her “as they chose to be identified in public and in social media.”
“I can say that Jesse was born as a biological male who approximately six years ago began to transition to female and identified as female, both socially and publicly,” McDonald said.
There is no information that suggests Van Rootselaar experienced “bullying” at school related to her transition, McDonald said.

It certainly seems that trans individuals are overrepresented in these kinds of crimes.

Do you have numbers to back up that statement?

It seems to me the vast majority of school shootings are by white male heterosexual individuals. Hey, your a white male heterosexual. Should we call the cops?

Don't bring logic into this.