How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Sevastopol is not shipping much Russian produce lately.

Sevastopol was never shipping any "produce" It's a navy base.

Even if it were only a navy base it would still need to ship stuff--the purpose of a navy base is to support a fleet. But when your ships put in to port to resupply they tend to get promoted to submarine.

Dude, If I were you I would not be mentioning problems of the Navy in the modern war, I really wouldn't.
Having said that, russuian ships regularly take part in attacks on Kiev Regime.

 

[barbos]

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It's even better, according to ukrainian president, ukrainian casualties (over whole period) reduced from 55K to 50K. In other words, some dead were resurrected. That's right, Elensky is resurrecting the dead.

No resurrection needed. This is extremely common in situations where the dead are not able to be quickly enumerated. The reality is that in confusion the dead show up more than once. Over time the records get sorted out, they figure out that dead person A is actually the same person as dead person B. It is unusual in war because ongoing casualties generally exceed the noise--but at this point you're basically feeding troops into the drones.

Dude, that was a made up number, everybody knows it.
You must be a degenerate to believe these numbers.

 

[barbos]

Mearsheimer continues to be tone deaf to the reality of the difference between the Ukrainian population's resolve to keep resisting invasion and the Russian population's resolve to keep invading. Ukrainians are more willing to undergo hardship to maintain their liberty and independence than Russia is to suppress it. Both sides have caused enormous damage to each other, but shutting down Ukrainian ports only means that Ukraine exports most of its goods now through the untouchable Romanian port of Constanta. The volume of goods is reduced, but the country is not fully "landlocked" in the way that Mearsheimer describes it. He is clearly an advocate for Russia expanding its empire into Ukraine, but he has consistently underestimated the ability of Ukraine to survive even in the face of massive devastation to its infrastructure.

Mearsheimer fancies himself a "realist", but reality does not like dictators. He did not foresee Putin's NATO ally, Viktor Orban, taking a nosedive in Hungary. He also did not see Europe's resolve to increase its support for Ukraine as Putin's American asset, Donald Trump, tried to help Putin prevail. Now even Trump is turning his back on Putin, albeit reluctantly.

Of course. Russia has made it clear their intent in Ukraine is genocidal. They've done it before, they intend to do it again. Of course they are facing very stiff resistance.

Get a room you two.

 

[barbos]

Why? 40 days drone offensive is officially over. Elensky said so. Result are not great for Ukraine.

Uh huh...

Ukraine’s 40-day "influence and pressure" campaign, authorized by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on June 25–26, 2026, officially concluded around August 4, 2026. While the specific deadline has passed and did not force an immediate Kremlin-led ceasefire or end to the war, the intensive deep-strike and drone operation yielded substantial strategic outcomes. [1, 2, 3]

Campaign Scope & Results

• • Targets Hit: Over 100 strategic Russian assets and economic hubs were struck, including hitting all 11 of Russia's largest oil refineries. [1]
  • Logistics & Fuel Strain: Operations heavily disrupted Russian military logistics, fuel networks in occupied territories, and supply lines in Crimea, causing regional shortages. [1, 2]
  • Record Distances: The campaign featured historic long-range drone milestones, including strikes reaching deep into Russian territory such as the Omsk region. [1]

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It failed, Fuhrer is asking for ceasefire again, at least in the sky.
We said more and started hitting ...... Rozetka&Co

 

[Tigers!]

Sevastopol is not shipping much Russian produce lately.

Sevastopol was never shipping any "produce" It's a navy base.

Even if it were only a navy base it would still need to ship stuff--the purpose of a navy base is to support a fleet. But when your ships put in to port to resupply they tend to get promoted to submarine.

Dude, If I were you I would not be mentioning problems of the Navy in the modern war, I really wouldn't.
Having said that, russuian ships regularly take part get taken apart in attacks on Kiev Regime.

FIFY

 

[Tigers!]

Russia's history of commercial aviation is not good.

I'd fly on a Chinese jet, not a Russian.

No history of industrial quality control on a par with Europe, USA and the industrialized west. And now China.

My guess is the systems are copies of Airbus.

I remember Concordski.

 

[Tigers!]

Lovely.
Call us when it has completed 200 flights.

 

[barbos]

Lovely.
Call us when it has completed 200 flights.

200 flights without crash is Boeing record?

 

[barbos]

Russia's history of commercial aviation is not good.

I'd fly on a Chinese jet, not a Russian.

No history of industrial quality control on a par with Europe, USA and the industrialized west. And now China.

My guess is the systems are copies of Airbus.

I remember Concordski.

 

[steve_bank]

A Russian historian who knew Putin said Putin sees himself in line of Russian rulers and conquerors.

The Russian Federation is a ccomplex mix of different types of regions, Jews have an autonomous region.

AI Overview
The modern Russian Federation shares strong parallels with Tsarist Russia in its centralized authoritarian governance and nationalist ideology, but differs fundamentally through its republican legal framework, capitalist market economy, and lack of a formal hereditary monarchy.

Similarities
Centralized Power: Both systems rely on a powerful single leader (the Tsar or a strong president) who holds supreme control over a rigid "vertical of power".
Ideological Blend: Modern statecraft often revives pre-Soviet imperial concepts of the "Russian World" alongside Soviet geopolitical strength.Territorial Control: Both operate as vast, multi-ethnic landmass empires dominated by Moscow's political core.

Differences
Form of Government: Tsarist Russia was an absolute or semi-absolute hereditary monarchy, while the Russian Federation is nominally a semi-presidential constitutional republic (as outlined in frameworks like the ⁠Constitution of the Russian Federation).
Economic System: Tsarist Russia was heavily agrarian with late, state-driven industrialization, whereas modern Russia functions on a globalized market economy.Social Structure: The Tsarist state was an official class-based society with a landed nobility, which does not exist legally today.

AI Overview
The Russian Federation is not made up of traditional "states." Instead, it is divided into 83 to 89 federal subjects (depending on international recognition of annexed regions) across six distinct administrative categories, including republics, territories, and regions. You can learn more via the overview on ⁠Federal subjects of Russia - Wikipedia.Types of Federal SubjectsRepublics: Nominally autonomous regions designed for specific ethnic minority groups (e.g., Tatarstan, Chechnya, Sakha). Further reading is available at ⁠Republics of Russia - Wikipedia.Oblasts (Regions): Standard administrative provinces (e.g., Moscow Oblast, Leningrad Oblast).Krais (Territories): Provinces structurally similar to oblasts but historically or geographically distinct (e.g., Krasnodar, Kamchatka).Federal Cities: Major cities with regional status (Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Sevastopol).Autonomous Okrugs (Districts): Regions with a high concentration of indigenous or ethnic minorities (e.g., Nenets, Chukotka).Autonomous Oblast: Currently just one, the Jewish Autonomous Oblast.

AI Overview
he Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JAO) is a federal subject of Russia located in the Far East region, bordering China along the Amur River. Its administrative center is the city of Birobidzhan. Established in 1934 by the Soviet Union, it remains Russia's only autonomous oblast.History and BackgroundCreated by Joseph Stalin to provide a Soviet socialist homeland for Jews and secure the remote eastern border with China.Settlers faced harsh geographic and climatic conditions, including swamps and heavy forests.The Jewish population peaked in the late 1940s at around 46,000 to 50,000 people (about 25% of the regional population).Most of the Jewish population emigrated after the fall of the Soviet Union.Demographics and Culture TodayEthnic Russians make up the vast majority of the population today.Ethnic Jews comprise less than 1% of the local population.Yiddish is still recognized as a minority culture and language, appearing on local street signs and in specific regional media.

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia

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The Jewish Autonomous Oblast (JAO)[a] is a federal subject of Russia in the far east of the country, bordering Khabarovsk Krai and Amur Oblast in Russia and Heilongjiang province in China.[9] Its administrative center is the town of Birobidzhan.

The JAO was designated by a Soviet official decree in 1928, and officially established in 1934. At its height, in the late 1940s, the Jewish population in the region peaked around 46,000–50,000, approximately 25% of its population.[10] Since then, the share of Jews steadily declined, and according to the 2021 Russian census, there were only 837 ethnic Jews left in the JAO (0.6%).

Republics of Russia - Wikipedia

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It appears Putin can never make any kind of deal with Ukraine.

The Russian Federation appears to be the old Soviet Union with some changes, The Soviet Union was like Tzarist Russia with differences.

Anything lie western liberal democracy was never in the cards for Russia.

 

[steve_bank]

The international quality control standard has been ISO 9001 for some time. Over here adopting it for manufacturing was a massive effort.

ISO 9001 is the international standard for a quality management system (QMS). It helps businesses of any size ensure they consistently meet customer and regulatory requirements, improve efficiency, and drive continual improvement.

Of course has to make it Russian. The rblm is with authoritarian governmnt quality issues can be swept under the rig by the state. Hard to do over here, eventually the news media gets a hod of issues and it gets published.

That pesky freedom of speech and freedom of the press. The bane of Trump and Putin.

AI Overview
Yes, China uses ISO 9001 extensively and leads the world in the absolute number of active ISO 9001 quality management certificates. Thousands of Chinese manufacturing plants, export businesses, and service providers hold this certification to prove their process quality to global buyers.

AI Overview
Yes, Russia uses ISO 9001. The Russian Federation has officially adopted an identical national standard known as GOST R ISO 9001 (currently GOST R ISO 9001-2015). Russian manufacturing, IT, construction, and state-owned energy companies use these quality management processes.

Bottom line after years in manufacturing some in aviation I would not trust a Russian jet, or EV for that matter.

I woulld trust Chinese jets.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So I'm hearing between what Ukraine has destroyed of Wildberries and the massive debt the company carries, the company, without intervention, could go under. Now in any stable first world country, you might think, big deal. Shit happens. I guess it's a big deal when you're not a stable first world country like Russia. Wildberries could take their main creditor, VTB bank down with them and severely harm Sherbank who also carries Wildberries debt and is a main creditor of merchants who's inventory went up in smoke.
Wildberries is/was nearly half of Russian e-commerce, 3% of Russian GDP, and an important supply line for Russian warmongering.

Forty Day failure my ass.

 

[barbos]

Soviet aircrafts, military and civilians were on par with anything capitalist pigs were able to muster.
Chinese will no doubt reach Western level in the future. What they currently have is basically chinese airframe with everything else (avionics, engines) western. Airframe itself is nothing to be excited about, no composite anything. MC21 on the other hand is 100% russian - engines, avionics. And it had composite wings. It's basically analog of latest versions of A320.

 

[barbos]

So I'm hearing between what Ukraine has destroyed of Wildberries and the massive debt the company carries, the company, without intervention, could go under. Now in any stable first world country, you might think, big deal. Shit happens. I guess it's a big deal when you're not a stable first world country like Russia. Wildberries could take their main creditor, VTB bank down with them and severely harm Sherbank who also carries Wildberries debt and is a main creditor of merchants who's inventory went up in smoke.
Wildberries is/was nearly half of Russian e-commerce, 3% of Russian GDP, and an important supply line for Russian warmongering.

Forty Day failure my ass.

Russia is bombing Ukrainian analog of Wildberries. Talk about that.
WildBerries will do just fine. Russian government will pay all losses. That's really a small fraction of oil export extra revenues, thank you Donald very much.
Tatiana Kim was was not worried too much about inventory losses in her recent statement. She was more concerned about change in logistics with moving it to Kazachstan.
Eventually these warehouses will get protection.

 

[steve_bank]

Soviet aircrafts, military and civilians were on par with anything capitalist pigs were able to muster.
Chinese will no doubt reach Western level in the future. What they currently have is basically chinese airframe with everything else (avionics, engines) western. Airframe itself is nothing to be excited about, no composite anything. MC21 on the other hand is 100% russian - engines, avionics. And it had composite wings. It's basically analog of latest versions of A320.

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

At any time the percentage of tanks that were available for combat were low. On paper the Soviet mil tray looked good.

Yes, from what I read in the day Soviet military aircraft were cheaper. Each aircrew aft was designed for a specific area in concentric defensive rings of defense. Mechanical gauges instead of electronics.

The USA went in an opposite direction. Complex multi role combat aircraft. Designed to operate in any environment and weather. More expensive. Same with tanks.

I'd have to look up the designation of the first multi role Russian fighter equivalent to the west..

At Lockheed I participated in reverse engineering Soviet air to air and ground to air missiles. The Russian infrared air to air missile was a copy of an older American Sidewinder missile. You could rack the Soviet missile on a NATO aircraft.

The American Sidewinder advanced to solid state electronics. The Russian missiles used miniature vacuum tubes.

Soomone3 called me into room and showed me a disassembled Russian sonobuoy. Inside was an Intel processor.

Soviets never developed manufacturing on a par with the west, they were copiers not innovators. The Soviet communist ideology killed initiative and innovation.

They had good science according to a physicist I knew, but they had no methods to translate into innovation.

Soviet Aeroflot had a horrible safety record. Common knowledge. I'd forgotten, there was the huge commercial jest.

AI Overview
Yes, Soviet Aeroflot had a very poor safety record by global standards. During the Soviet era, it was by far the world's deadliest airline, recording over 700 incidents and more than 8,000 fatalities, though the sheer scale of the monopoly airline partially accounts for the high raw numbers.Scale and StatisticsMonopoly status: Aeroflot was the only airline in the Soviet Union, handling everything from massive international jets to tiny crop-dusters and remote bush flights.High fatality numbers: Records indicate over 8,000 deaths occurred in Aeroflot crashes, roughly five times higher than any other single carrier in aviation history.Peak accident years: The 1970s and 1980s were particularly lethal, featuring dozens of major accidents and hull losses due to systemic issues.Contributing FactorsChallenging environment: Flights frequently operated in harsh, isolated Siberian weather with primitive ground infrastructure.Weaker safety culture: Investigations often pointed to deficient pilot training, lax regulatory oversight, and severe communication breakdowns (such as air traffic control errors).Information control: The Soviet state routinely suppressed or delayed reporting on domestic aviation disasters unless foreign nationals were involved.Would you like to know more about how modern Aeroflot turned its safety record around, or look into a specific historical crash?

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[barbos]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

 

[Bronzeage]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

 

[Elixir]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

They have a vast gold reserve, if they have not yet sold it off.

 

[TomC]

They have a vast gold reserve, if they have not yet sold it off.

I hope that is true.
Then when Putin regime collapses the Russian invaders can pay the many MANY MANY Ukrainian victims reparations.
Tom

 

[TV and credit cards]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

They have a vast gold reserve, if they have not yet sold it off.

They are, to fill the budget gap. A depleted reserve will pair nicely with their broken civilian economy.