bilby said:
Trump's comments that inspired the article in the OP and, indirectly, the OP itself, were not even about 'illegals'. He was talking about legal migration to the US from Mexico.
That you conflate the legal and illegal groups, as no doubt Trump hoped many would, is unsurprising - but it is rather disappointing.
Actually, Trump was speaking of Mexican immigration as a whole (legal and illegal), which underscores my larger point of Mexican (and Central American) immigration's disproportionate contribution to domestic crime. The usual crime and incarceration rate as a rough rule of thumb ratio among whites, Hispanics, and blacks are approximately 1:3:7, but the Hispanic incarceration rate has grown faster than that of whites or blacks. In fact, the incarceration rate of Mexican immigrants jumps more than eightfold between the first and second generations, resulting in a prison rate up to 3.5 times that of whites. (Heather McDonald)
Indeed, unless one believes you can stop these immigrants from having children, the children of immigrants assimilate downward: "sociologists Alejandro Portes of Princeton and Ruben G. Rumbaut of the University of California, Irvine, followed the children of immigrants in San Diego and Miami from 1992 to 2003. A whopping 28 percent of Mexican-American American males between the ages of eighteen and twenty-four four reported having been arrested since 1995, and 20 percent reported having been incarcerated-a rate twice that of other immigrant groups." (HM)
It seems that any part of what Trump says that we successfully demonstrate to be bullshit was, in your assessment, 'non-core'; if we are to believe you, his core point still stands as a shining beacon of truth, despite having been whittled down to nothing.
Trump said a bunch of stuff about immigrants from Mexico. None of it stands up to scrutiny; it is all just populist xenophobic bullshit, designed to appeal to the redneck GOP base who are convinced that the only reason they haven't had employers lining up at their trailer park to drag them off the couch and give them a well paid job (that doesn't require putting down their beer or TV remote) is that Mexicans have stolen all the jobs from them.
There is no 'core point', just a 'core sentiment' - brown people are not real Americans, and Americans, be they never such pathetic losers, can look down on them. His words were said with a view to emotional, not rational, point scoring.
Nonsense. No one has "successfully" shown any of my statistics to be bullshit; rather, I have demonstrated that border district courts have sentenced illegals for many reasons...most of them related to their criminality (directly or indirectly). The poster who made dubious claims on 2007 data should have done a little more research than Wikipedia:
And "We do know from studies of U.S. District Court statistics that more than 1,000 people per month are charged for re-entry after deportation, a federal felony, and that the majority of these individuals have serious criminal histories." (CIS)
And I thought it was clear that I believe Trumps choice of words, phrases, and specifics are, more often than not, daffy. While Mexico does not send its best, it "sends" a lot more non-violent, non-rapists than rapists. I have no idea if illegal and/or legal immigrants commit rape at a higher or lower rate than native born whites , but the truth behind his crass unsupported claim is a general proposition:
Immigration from Mexico and Central America contribute to violent crime, more than any other immigrant group. In particular illegals and second generation children of immigrants are the most likely to commit a crime of violence.
This has nothing to do with race, but with the groups cost to innocent Americans. SE Asians, Jews, Indians, Cubans, Nordics and other Western Europeans have all demonstrated they are most likely of much net benefit to most of the native born. Not so of Mexicans, Central Americans, Africans and (perhaps) Russians.
The facts speak.
Heather Mac Donald;Victor Davis Hanson;Steven Malanga. The Immigration Solution: A Better Plan Than Today's (Kindle Location 1438). Kindle Edition.
http://cis.org/ImmigrantCrime
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0...laws-deportation-mexico-say-no-to-reform.html