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Paris: Dozens Killed In Terrorist Attack

Islam is a political ideology even more than a religion much of the time.

Yeah, the West is vicious to the middle east. So why bring tons of them to the west to be able to take revenge. this is not about morality but tactical decisions. The problem is that the west wants to clear its conscience, but they should just accept that they (we) are assholes and keep our victims away from us.

But we (France USA) were even worse to the vietnamese and cambodians in the past and there are not lots of violence done by them.
 
untermensche said:
Derec said:
In other words: blame the victim. You can't blame the terrorists themselves because they are brown, so they not only can't be racist, they can't be held responsible for any of their actions. </progressoauthoritarian>
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The people in Iraq and Afghanistan ARE the victims of US aggression.

This is a question you seem to be trying to run away from as fast as you can?

What do we say?

The US created 100 terrorists with it's terrorist attack of Iraq?

1000? 10,000?

What do we think? It certainly created a whole lot of people who wouldn't give a damn if Americans were killed by terrorists.
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I know. Look how mad we made Japanese and Germans by interfering with their empire's doings...hell, why don't we feel guilty about them too? We brought it on ourselves, we should have just let them kill as many of us as they liked.
 
Would you recommend a former high school bully become roommates with a person he treated like crap. One drinking binge could have him stabbed to death.
 
maxparrish said:
untermensche said:
The people in Iraq and Afghanistan ARE the victims of US aggression.

This is a question you seem to be trying to run away from as fast as you can?

What do we say?

The US created 100 terrorists with it's terrorist attack of Iraq?

1000? 10,000?

What do we think? It certainly created a whole lot of people who wouldn't give a damn if Americans were killed by terrorists.
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I know. Look how mad we made Japanese and Germans by interfering with their empire's doings...hell, why don't we feel guilty about them too? We brought it on ourselves, we should have just let them kill as many of us as they liked.
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What do Germany and Japan have to do with the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people?
 
maxparrish said:
Toni said:
Clearly you have not been paying any attention. Islamic terror groups are a form of right wing militant groups. They just reflect their own hate back at each other like two mirrors facing each other, repeating infinite images of the same damn ugly message.
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Apparently sufficient attention to note the Nice Squirrel was making a distinction between two groups; Muslim terrorists and real/imagined right-wing anti-immigrant groups. As NS, myself, and Europol (and most of the civilized world) knows these groups are distinctly different folks, I'll immediately file your complaint with the website: www.is_nationalsocialism_leftwing.com.

They have an interest in derails into pedantic political taxonomy disputes - I don't.
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Puleeze.

Just like muslim terrorists and right wing anti immigrant nut jobs and a host of other ideologues, what you are all interested in is winning. No matter how many people have to die. It's just dressed up in ever so slightly different ideology. Don't mean a damn thing except winning.
 
And winning in the past is why our genetic material is here. We have been genocidal motherfuckers since at least chimpanzee (or similar) times. Accept it as reality, so when you see it you are not shocked.

Hitler, Pol Pot.... We all can go into a killing frenzy against other tribes. And the ones ready to kill right away instead of feeling guilty about it survived.
 
As much as everyone would like to blame the US, this is still probably because of Cartoons. Cartoons.
 
untermensche said:
maxparrish said:
I know. Look how mad we made Japanese and Germans by interfering with their empire's doings...hell, why don't we feel guilty about them too? We brought it on ourselves, we should have just let them kill as many of us as they liked.
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What do Germany and Japan have to do with the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people?
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that was Maxie wants is for the US to rain some firebombing down on the offending brown people like we did to the Germans and Japanese. To bomb Baghdad, Kabul, and Damascus into the sort of ruin we visited upon Tokyo, Dresden, and Berlin.

Then once the hundreds of thousands of dead are buried, we'll impose our will upon our defeated enemies.

Maxie and a whole lot of people in charge of our foreign policy are still operating under the assumption that the best way forward is to obliterate the offending nation and rebuild it in a 50 year occupation.
 
maxparrish said:
untermensche said:
The people in Iraq and Afghanistan ARE the victims of US aggression.

This is a question you seem to be trying to run away from as fast as you can?

What do we say?

The US created 100 terrorists with it's terrorist attack of Iraq?

1000? 10,000?

What do we think? It certainly created a whole lot of people who wouldn't give a damn if Americans were killed by terrorists.
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I know. Look how mad we made Japanese and Germans by interfering with their empire's doings...hell, why don't we feel guilty about them too? We brought it on ourselves, we should have just let them kill as many of us as they liked.
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Let's just ignore everything they said and whine about being told to feel guilty, because that somehow was totally their point.
 
They didn't attack the US. The attacked France. For the same reason as the last. Cartoons in a magazine. Close to Charlie Hebdo.
 
ImGod said:
They didn't attack the US. The attacked France. For the same reason as the last. Cartoons in a magazine.
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Eh? I'm pretty sure it hasn't been confirmed what their motives are in this case.
 
Why not. Everyone is saying they attacked France because of US policy. When they have historically attacked France because they publish cartoons mocking their prophet.

I guess somehow, it makes sense to assume new attacks are proxy attacks against the US and not based on past attacks on France.
 
ImGod said:
Why not. Everyone is saying they attacked France because of US policy. When they have historically attacked France because they publish cartoons mocking their prophet. No reason to assume actual attacks have any bearing on theoretical proxy attacks against the US.
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You have no evidence these terrorists attacked France specifically because of the cartoons.
 
ImGod said:
Why not. Everyone is saying they attacked France because of US policy. When they have historically attacked France because they publish cartoons mocking their prophet. No reason to assume actual attacks have any bearing on theoretical proxy attacks against the US.
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It is doubtful they attacked France because of animosity towards the US.

What is being said is that the massive terrorist attack of Iraq had many consequences.

One of them was to increase the danger of terrorism in general.

And what is being said is that ISIS is a US creation.
 
Ok. They kill over 100 people 2 miles from Charlie Hebdo headquarters and it's US middle east policy to blame. Seems reasonable.
 
Ford said:
untermensche said:
The threat of what?
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I thought that between this and the other threads ("Europe submits voluntarily" and "the barbarian invasion has begun") the message is clear:

Kill all the nasty brown people trying to come to Europe. If Europe had simply gunned down every Syrian refugee coming across the border and sunk every migrant boat crossing the sea, this death toll in Paris could have been avoided. The "see, I told you so" posters in this and those other threads are for all intents and purposes saying that brown people and Muslims are a threat which must be eliminated. Driven off and killed like any other invaders.
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Except you need'nt have killed the Muslims and "nasty brown people"(and others) who immigrated in the last 50 years; you just needed to have maintained a strict immigration policy. Because they were not strict, they now have a large part of their population where 15 percent of the two-parent families are of spouses who are both foreign born, another 15 percent of two-parents with one spouse being foreign borne. And you have all the expected social problems with high unemployment and a large portion of Muslim immigrants and their 2nd generation families living in segregated housing projects (and the occasional riot).

Today the options are running out. EU open borders combined the suicidal asylum policies are bringing millions to Europe, many from areas more radicalized than the NE African Muslim laborers that immigrated to France decades ago.

The solution is simple: reject EU open borders. Reinstitute passport controls, and let it be known that France will no longer accept anyone from the Islamic world (except on a case-by-case basis). Any boats reaching the Mediterranean sea are to be towed back out, if necessary back to coastal africa. And if necessary, they can be disembarked on its shores and their boats/ships sunk.

Anyone caught sneaking into France should get a 1 year jail term. A second offense 5 years on a French antarctic island colony. A third offense would result in shipment to a French Guyana penal colony for 20 years.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with gunning down the relentless hordes, or sinking their invasion boats, if it were necessary to keep back the barbarian hordes. But on most occasions, it won't be.
 
ImGod said:
Ok. They kill over 100 people 2 miles from Charlie Hebdo headquarters and it's US middle east policy to blame. Seems reasonable.
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You can't read.

Massive US terrorism over the last decade has made the world a less safe place.
 
It makes sense to blame it on something like retaliation for US drone srikes. But they've killed over cartoons in the past. So there may not be a reason we can understand. In their minds dead babies in drone strikes might be below cartoons of the prophet. Strange people do strange things.
 
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