The shooting of Keith Lamont Scott, and aftermath

[blastula]

Which video clearly shows a gun? The wife's doesn't.

 

[Deepak]

Which video clearly shows a gun? The wife's doesn't.

Certainly. That said, at the 1:45 mark you can see a black object that's on the ground which was not there at 1:40. The time in between that section of the ground is out of frame, but at 1:44 you can see the cop in the white shirt casually tossing something to the ground with his right hand.

Some sources have pointed to a still image of a similar looking object on the ground as the alleged weapon, but if it that was actually a handgun I doubt the cop would have simply cast it aside in that manner. I'm guessing it's a wallet

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The shape looks like dog crap.

 

[Rhea]

We finally know what book he was supposedly reading. Lyric YourAdorable repeatedly yelled he was reading a "motherfucking book". So obviously it had to be ...

By the way, this was funny.

 

[Rhea]

Reading more on this..

Thanks for the info on the Brain Injury. Had not seen that yet.

Looking at this photo, it looks like his wallet under the heel of the cop, and the thing circled in the foreground, which appears to be smaller than the wallet, THAT is supposed to be the gun? Are there a lot of guns smaller than a wallet out there?



moreover, watching that video, it looks like at 2:00 one of the cops is putting on black gloves, and later some are on the ground (in a different spot, though. Now THAT matches the size of that thing better. But whatever it is, it was clearly not there immediately after the shooting.

 

[Arctish]

Reading more on this..

Thanks for the info on the Brain Injury. Had not seen that yet.

Looking at this photo, it looks like his wallet under the heel of the cop, and the thing circled in the foreground, which appears to be smaller than the wallet, THAT is supposed to be the gun? Are there a lot of guns smaller than a wallet out there?

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There are a few on the market.

That thing on the ground is hard to make out, but I don't think it's the right shape. Perhaps it's a soft cover for a cell phone?

ETA: I have a leather wallet that measures 3"x4". That's about the bottom limit of wallet sizes. Any smaller and it wouldn't be big enough for cash and credit cards. But the maximum size for a wallet wouldn't be much larger because that's just wasted leather and wouldn't fit into a guy's pants pocket.

The smallest pistols on the market all appear to be larger than my wallet, especially in the overall length. So either that thing isn't a small gun, or the guy had an abnormally large wallet

 

[Rhea]

That thing on the ground is hard to make out, but I don't think it's the right shape. Perhaps it's a soft cover for a cell phone?

I edited. I'm wondering if it is one of the gloves used for dealing with blood on a scene. Looking at the video where the one guy is putting on black gloves (I assume latex gloves)

 

[Arctish]

That thing on the ground is hard to make out, but I don't think it's the right shape. Perhaps it's a soft cover for a cell phone?

I edited. I'm wondering if it is one of the gloves used for dealing with blood on a scene. Looking at the video where the one guy is putting on black gloves (I assume latex gloves)

I edited after you edited.

Maybe it is a glove. Which just goes to show we still have no evidence he had a gun.

 

[Derec]

What book was he supposedly reading?

Oh there's more than just books for you to pretend don't happen. There are whole lists of harmless objects cops have either used as a blatant excuse for their own bloodthirsty trigger fingers or were just too stupid or blinded by diminished capacity due to pumped-up red zone brain (also a kind of stupidity) to recognize.

Not answering my question. From the beginning, the family has insisted that it was a book, not a gun, that Scott had. But they have not told us what book he was supposedly reading - a curious omission unless it was something embarrassing.
And mind you, even if there was a book, a book and a gun are not mutually exclusive.

And we know he had a gun, because his fingerprints and DNA were on the gun police recovered at the scene.
Keith Scott's fingerprints, DNA, blood found on gun, police sources say

Oh, look, here's some lists right here. It's amazing the things you can find when you're not hell bent on not finding them.
http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/st-louis-shooting/

Yeah, sometimes cops make mistakes. But note that in the case referenced in the beginning of this article, Vonderritt Myers indeed had a gun, and the "sandwich" story was the family lie (he did purchase a sandwich, but he also had a gun, which he fired at the cop who then shot him). Kind of like the book in this case.

 

[Derec]

You claim that its strange despite you've been presented with a lot of different scenarios where it could be perfectly normal:

I still think it's weird, given the short distance. But apparently some people do it.
The scenario I have come up with is that perhaps the son had trouble with a local gang or something. That would also explain why Scott was packing heat. Of course, the family can't admit that because he is a felon and they are fully committed to the book narrative now.

How the hell can it be strange to pick up your kid at the bus stop in a car?

I explained it. School bus stops are many and well within walking distance for kids.

Just admit that it might not be strange, its ok, I won't hold it against you.

There may be a good explanation, sure.

Btw, do you have kids?

No. I always wear a condom.

Do you have any idea of a logistics hell that can be sometimes?

I can imagine! Which is why it makes even less sense to chauffeur them for a 1/4 mile every afternoon. They have two working legs and should use them. I rarely used a bus in my day - I usually walked or biked and my middle and high schools were both about 2 miles from my house.

 

[Derec]

It's obvious that you don't care what the cops record is as an officer because you support her regardless of what it is.

Nonsense. Her record matters as well. But his record involves a crime directly relevant to what happened during the shooting - he shot someone and served several years for it. And it was not the only violent crime he committed.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I still think it's weird, given the short distance. But apparently some people do it.
The scenario I have come up with is that perhaps the son had trouble with a local gang or something. That would also explain why Scott was packing heat. Of course, the family can't admit that because he is a felon and they are fully committed to the book narrative now.

How the hell can it be strange to pick up your kid at the bus stop in a car?

I explained it. School bus stops are many and well within walking distance for kids.

Just admit that it might not be strange, its ok, I won't hold it against you.

There may be a good explanation, sure.

Btw, do you have kids?

No. I always wear a condom.

Do you have any idea of a logistics hell that can be sometimes?

I can imagine! Which is why it makes even less sense to chauffeur them for a 1/4 mile every afternoon. They have two working legs and should use them. I rarely used a bus in my day - I usually walked or biked and my middle and high schools were both about 2 miles from my house.

This isn't allowed anymore for younger kids. An adult must pick them up from the bus stop.

 

[Derec]

1. He can't own a gun due to a violent felony.
2. It makes police version of events much more likely.

#1 is immaterial and

Why?

#2 is not logical because the cops didn't know it at the time they shot and killed him.

It is very much logical. Scott clearly has a history of violent crime, including gun crimes. Thus it is more likely that he would resort to same behavior again than it would be the case if he was not predisposed to violent crime. The argument does not hinge on police knowing he was predisposed to violent crime.

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This isn't allowed anymore for younger kids. An adult must pick them up from the bus stop.

I feel sad for United States. Although I have seen even small, elementary age, kids walking from the bus stop by themselves. Sometimes there is an adult walking with them, but they are certainly not chauffeuring them for a quarter mile. The only legitimate reason to drive just quarter of a mile, as far as I am concerned, is this.


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Maybe you think I should get shot dead for it, too?

That depends on whether you also want to confront police with a gun and then refuse to drop it even though they order you to do so 11 times.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

This isn't allowed anymore for younger kids. An adult must pick them up from the bus stop.

I feel sad for United States. Although I have seen even small, elementary age, kids walking from the bus stop by themselves. Sometimes there is an adult walking with them, but they are certainly not chauffeuring them for a quarter mile.

The father was disabled and again, young kids are not allowed (generally) to walk home without adult supervision. Don't you remember threads with parents letting their pre-teens play in parks by themselves and the parents got in trouble?

 

[Deepak]

Oh there's more than just books for you to pretend don't happen. There are whole lists of harmless objects cops have either used as a blatant excuse for their own bloodthirsty trigger fingers or were just too stupid or blinded by diminished capacity due to pumped-up red zone brain (also a kind of stupidity) to recognize.

Not answering my question. From the beginning, the family has insisted that it was a book, not a gun, that Scott had. But they have not told us what book he was supposedly reading - a curious omission unless it was something embarrassing.

They didn't tell us what page he was on, what kind of bookmark he used, whether it was hardcover or softcover. We're through the looking glass here

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Can anyone tell what the title of the book in the picture is?

Does anyone doubt that it is a book in the young woman's hands?

 

[RavenSky]

I still think it's weird, given the short distance. But apparently some people do it.
The scenario I have come up with is that perhaps the son had trouble with a local gang or something.

Leave it to Derec to come up with a scenario that vilifies black people. Of all the millions of possible explanations of why the parents would be picking their child up at the bus stop, Derec jumps to "local gangs" as the explanation.

 

[RavenSky]

Maybe you think I should get shot dead for it, too?

That depends on whether you also want to confront police with a gun and then refuse to drop it even though they order you to do so 11 times.

Since you have zero evidence that he actually had a gun at all, your comparison is bullshit. I have had a book at times though. Maybe you think I should be shot dead for having a book at a bus stop.

 

[RavenSky]

I feel sad for United States. Although I have seen even small, elementary age, kids walking from the bus stop by themselves. Sometimes there is an adult walking with them, but they are certainly not chauffeuring them for a quarter mile.

The father was disabled and again, young kids are not allowed (generally) to walk home without adult supervision. Don't you remember threads with parents letting their pre-teens play in parks by themselves and the parents got in trouble?

Derec was front and center in condemning Tamir Rice's mothers on exactly that point, slandering her as a drugged up deadbeat

 

[iolo]

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Can anyone tell what the title of the book in the picture is?

Does anyone doubt that it is a book in the young woman's hands?

Obviously it is a sub-machinegun, and she is really 'black' with a long list of convictions . NRA Rules ok! Heil Trump!