Angela Merkel wants to ban the burka?

[Elixir]

Maybe in your country. Although Australia, so maybe not.

Terror attacks in Australia (and their perpetrators):
Yugoslav Travel Agency bombed (Croatian Separatists) - 1972, 16 injured
Hilton Hotel bombing Sydney (Suspected to be ASIO) - 1978, 3 killed, 11 injured
Assassination of Turkish Consul General and his Security Attache (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide) - 1980, 2 killed
Various Asian restaurant bombings in WA (Australian Nationalist Movement) - 1980s, at least 1 killed, many injured
Israeli Consulate Bombing (Unknown, possibly Palestinian) - 1982, 2 injured
Turkish Consulate Bombing (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) - 1986, perpetrator killed by his own bomb
French consulate Bombing (Anti-nuclear activists) - 1995, no deaths or injuries
East Melbourne Family Planning clinic (Anti Abortion activist) - 2001, 1 killed
Endeavour Hills stabbings (Islamic State supporter) - 2014, 2 injured, perpetrator shot dead by police
Parramatta Shooting (Kurdish boy, motive unclear) - 2015, 2 killed, including the perpetrator shot dead by police.

That's the full list - Australia is effectively untouched by terrorism. Many people incorrectly list the 2014 Sydney Hostage Crisis as a terrorist attack, but it is clear that the perpetrator's motive was personal (he was protesting against a court decision that went against him), rather than a political act.

So we have, for the total of all terrorist attacks in Australia since federation in 1901, (and assuming that the Kurdish boy who carried out the Parramatta shooting was an Islamic terrorist):

11 killed: 4 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 3 victims of ASIO, 2 perpetrators killed by law enforcement, 1 victim of Islamic terrorist.
>31 injured: >16 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 11 victims of ASIO, 4 victims of Islamic terrorists.

Our own security services are, statistically, three times as dangerous to Australians as Islamic terrorists are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_Hotel_bombing.

Considering how almost everything in Australia that can move can also kill you, it sounds like hanging with Islamic Terrorists might be one of the safest things you can do there.

 

[bilby]

Terror attacks in Australia (and their perpetrators):
Yugoslav Travel Agency bombed (Croatian Separatists) - 1972, 16 injured
Hilton Hotel bombing Sydney (Suspected to be ASIO) - 1978, 3 killed, 11 injured
Assassination of Turkish Consul General and his Security Attache (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide) - 1980, 2 killed
Various Asian restaurant bombings in WA (Australian Nationalist Movement) - 1980s, at least 1 killed, many injured
Israeli Consulate Bombing (Unknown, possibly Palestinian) - 1982, 2 injured
Turkish Consulate Bombing (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) - 1986, perpetrator killed by his own bomb
French consulate Bombing (Anti-nuclear activists) - 1995, no deaths or injuries
East Melbourne Family Planning clinic (Anti Abortion activist) - 2001, 1 killed
Endeavour Hills stabbings (Islamic State supporter) - 2014, 2 injured, perpetrator shot dead by police
Parramatta Shooting (Kurdish boy, motive unclear) - 2015, 2 killed, including the perpetrator shot dead by police.

That's the full list - Australia is effectively untouched by terrorism. Many people incorrectly list the 2014 Sydney Hostage Crisis as a terrorist attack, but it is clear that the perpetrator's motive was personal (he was protesting against a court decision that went against him), rather than a political act.

So we have, for the total of all terrorist attacks in Australia since federation in 1901, (and assuming that the Kurdish boy who carried out the Parramatta shooting was an Islamic terrorist):

11 killed: 4 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 3 victims of ASIO, 2 perpetrators killed by law enforcement, 1 victim of Islamic terrorist.
>31 injured: >16 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 11 victims of ASIO, 4 victims of Islamic terrorists.

Our own security services are, statistically, three times as dangerous to Australians as Islamic terrorists are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_Hotel_bombing.

Considering how almost everything in Australia that can move can also kill you, it sounds like hanging with Islamic Terrorists might be one of the safest things you can do there.

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind). An average of 3 fatalities per annum in Australia are due to shark attacks. That's 30 times the death rate from terrorism.

1,100 Australians a year die in road traffic incidents. That's 11,000 times the death rate from terrorism.

I presume Angelo is currently hiding under his bed, quaking in fear of sharks and motor vehicles. Certainly those would be more rational concerns for him to have than his fear of Muslim terrorists.

 

[LordKiran]

Maybe in your country. Although Australia, so maybe not.

Terror attacks in Australia (and their perpetrators):
Yugoslav Travel Agency bombed (Croatian Separatists) - 1972, 16 injured
Hilton Hotel bombing Sydney (Suspected to be ASIO) - 1978, 3 killed, 11 injured
Assassination of Turkish Consul General and his Security Attache (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide) - 1980, 2 killed
Various Asian restaurant bombings in WA (Australian Nationalist Movement) - 1980s, at least 1 killed, many injured
Israeli Consulate Bombing (Unknown, possibly Palestinian) - 1982, 2 injured
Turkish Consulate Bombing (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) - 1986, perpetrator killed by his own bomb
French consulate Bombing (Anti-nuclear activists) - 1995, no deaths or injuries
East Melbourne Family Planning clinic (Anti Abortion activist) - 2001, 1 killed
Endeavour Hills stabbings (Islamic State supporter) - 2014, 2 injured, perpetrator shot dead by police
Parramatta Shooting (Kurdish boy, motive unclear) - 2015, 2 killed, including the perpetrator shot dead by police.

That's the full list - Australia is effectively untouched by terrorism. Many people incorrectly list the 2014 Sydney Hostage Crisis as a terrorist attack, but it is clear that the perpetrator's motive was personal (he was protesting against a court decision that went against him), rather than a political act.

So we have, for the total of all terrorist attacks in Australia since federation in 1901, (and assuming that the Kurdish boy who carried out the Parramatta shooting was an Islamic terrorist):

11 killed: 4 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 3 victims of ASIO, 2 perpetrators killed by law enforcement, 1 victim of Islamic terrorist.
>31 injured: >16 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 11 victims of ASIO, 4 victims of Islamic terrorists.

Our own security services are, statistically, three times as dangerous to Australians as Islamic terrorists are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_Hotel_bombing.

Three times as likely doesn't sound like 'a drop in the bucket' to me.

 

[bilby]

Terror attacks in Australia (and their perpetrators):
Yugoslav Travel Agency bombed (Croatian Separatists) - 1972, 16 injured
Hilton Hotel bombing Sydney (Suspected to be ASIO) - 1978, 3 killed, 11 injured
Assassination of Turkish Consul General and his Security Attache (Justice Commandos for the Armenian Genocide) - 1980, 2 killed
Various Asian restaurant bombings in WA (Australian Nationalist Movement) - 1980s, at least 1 killed, many injured
Israeli Consulate Bombing (Unknown, possibly Palestinian) - 1982, 2 injured
Turkish Consulate Bombing (Armenian Revolutionary Federation) - 1986, perpetrator killed by his own bomb
French consulate Bombing (Anti-nuclear activists) - 1995, no deaths or injuries
East Melbourne Family Planning clinic (Anti Abortion activist) - 2001, 1 killed
Endeavour Hills stabbings (Islamic State supporter) - 2014, 2 injured, perpetrator shot dead by police
Parramatta Shooting (Kurdish boy, motive unclear) - 2015, 2 killed, including the perpetrator shot dead by police.

That's the full list - Australia is effectively untouched by terrorism. Many people incorrectly list the 2014 Sydney Hostage Crisis as a terrorist attack, but it is clear that the perpetrator's motive was personal (he was protesting against a court decision that went against him), rather than a political act.

So we have, for the total of all terrorist attacks in Australia since federation in 1901, (and assuming that the Kurdish boy who carried out the Parramatta shooting was an Islamic terrorist):

11 killed: 4 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 3 victims of ASIO, 2 perpetrators killed by law enforcement, 1 victim of Islamic terrorist.
>31 injured: >16 victims of non-Islamic terrorists, 11 victims of ASIO, 4 victims of Islamic terrorists.

Our own security services are, statistically, three times as dangerous to Australians as Islamic terrorists are. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_Hotel_bombing.

Three times as likely doesn't sound like 'a drop in the bucket' to me.

That's eleven times as likely (for all non-Islamist perpetrators); the three times as likely figure is vs ASIO - The Australian Security Intelligence Organization, who are suspected of perpetrating the Hilton Hotel Bombing in a (successful) attempt to secure greater funding for federal counter-terrorist agencies, such as ASIO. It is believed that they intended to recover the bomb and trigger a controlled detonation, but stuffed up massively.

 

[Jayjay]

It would make Islamists less likely to choose Germany as a destination. Let them invade Saudi Arabia instead. They will like the dress code better.

A burka ban is hardly enough of course. "Refugees" who commit serious crimes or show Islamist tendencies should be deported. The second goes doubly so for imams and other clerics who can radicalize countless others.
Also, only more secular minded migrants should be allowed to immigrate in the first place. Radicals should be kept out.

Saudi doesn't take in Asylum seekers. Yet who would seek asylum there anyway. Many of its own people are impoverished.

Of course Saudi Arabia takes in asylum seekers. Idi Amin for example.

 

[angelo]

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind). An average of 3 fatalities per annum in Australia are due to shark attacks. That's 30 times the death rate from terrorism.

1,100 Australians a year die in road traffic incidents. That's 11,000 times the death rate from terrorism.

I presume Angelo is currently hiding under his bed, quaking in fear of sharks and motor vehicles. Certainly those would be more rational concerns for him to have than his fear of Muslim terrorists.[ quote]
Had it not been for the vigilance of our security forces including your much maligned ASIO, which nipped in the bud many more attempted Islamic terrorist attacks I'm sure you'd still be saying that!

 

[DrZoidberg]

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind). An average of 3 fatalities per annum in Australia are due to shark attacks. That's 30 times the death rate from terrorism.

1,100 Australians a year die in road traffic incidents. That's 11,000 times the death rate from terrorism.

I presume Angelo is currently hiding under his bed, quaking in fear of sharks and motor vehicles. Certainly those would be more rational concerns for him to have than his fear of Muslim terrorists.[ quote]
Had it not been for the vigilance of our security forces including your much maligned ASIO, which nipped in the bud many more attempted Islamic terrorist attacks I'm sure you'd still be saying that!

Oh, please stop. Anti-terrorist activities are security theater. They only exist to make us feel safe, without actually making us any safer. There's no way to stop terrorist attacks in any country. It's way to easy to carry them out. All terrorist attacks that have been stopped in advanced have been so because somebody within the terrorist cell or with connections to it tip the police off. it's never thanks to "diligent police work". Anti-terror policing is an absolute joke.

They're only useful once after a terrorist attack has already begun. Which is good and important work. But don't for a second believe that your police is in any way protecting you from dying in a terrorist attack. They're just not. All they do is catch them afterwards. By then you'd of course be dead.

 

[angelo]

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind). An average of 3 fatalities per annum in Australia are due to shark attacks. That's 30 times the death rate from terrorism.

1,100 Australians a year die in road traffic incidents. That's 11,000 times the death rate from terrorism.

I presume Angelo is currently hiding under his bed, quaking in fear of sharks and motor vehicles. Certainly those would be more rational concerns for him to have than his fear of Muslim terrorists.[ quote]
Had it not been for the vigilance of our security forces including your much maligned ASIO, which nipped in the bud many more attempted Islamic terrorist attacks I'm sure you'd still be saying that!

Oh, please stop. Anti-terrorist activities are security theater. They only exist to make us feel safe, without actually making us any safer. There's no way to stop terrorist attacks in any country. It's way to easy to carry them out. All terrorist attacks that have been stopped in advanced have been so because somebody within the terrorist cell or with connections to it tip the police off. it's never thanks to "diligent police work". Anti-terror policing is an absolute joke.

They're only useful once after a terrorist attack has already begun. Which is good and important work. But don't for a second believe that your police is in any way protecting you from dying in a terrorist attack. They're just not. All they do is catch them afterwards. By then you'd of course be dead.

Yes there is a way to stop terrorist attacks! Don't allow Islamics to immigrate to Western countries!

 

[whichphilosophy]

Considering how almost everything in Australia that can move can also kill you, it sounds like hanging with Islamic Terrorists might be one of the safest things you can do there.

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind). An average of 3 fatalities per annum in Australia are due to shark attacks. That's 30 times the death rate from terrorism.

1,100 Australians a year die in road traffic incidents. That's 11,000 times the death rate from terrorism.

I presume Angelo is currently hiding under his bed, quaking in fear of sharks and motor vehicles. Certainly those would be more rational concerns for him to have than his fear of Muslim terrorists.

Yes and No. No danger now does not mean there will not be a terrorist attack at some point in the future that could cause fatalities. I believe that Australia also vets those entering a bit better than we do in Europe.

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Saudi doesn't take in Asylum seekers. Yet who would seek asylum there anyway. Many of its own people are impoverished.

Of course Saudi Arabia takes in asylum seekers. Idi Amin for example.

That was an exception, because he and his Saudi hosts had a common policy on human rights.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Oh, please stop. Anti-terrorist activities are security theater. They only exist to make us feel safe, without actually making us any safer. There's no way to stop terrorist attacks in any country. It's way to easy to carry them out. All terrorist attacks that have been stopped in advanced have been so because somebody within the terrorist cell or with connections to it tip the police off. it's never thanks to "diligent police work". Anti-terror policing is an absolute joke.

They're only useful once after a terrorist attack has already begun. Which is good and important work. But don't for a second believe that your police is in any way protecting you from dying in a terrorist attack. They're just not. All they do is catch them afterwards. By then you'd of course be dead.

Yes there is a way to stop terrorist attacks! Don't allow Islamics to immigrate to Western countries!

You'd have to stop tourists as well. And any cross-country trade. You didn't think of that, did you? Do you really think it's a good idea to shut down every countries borders because, perhaps, it might prevent terrorist attacks. If you thought it was bad in the Dark Ages, just wait until we do this.

 

[Derec]

Australians certainly don't have any rational basis to fear terrorists (of any kind).

That's only because Australia did the right thing and did not let in millions of fakefugees last year alone.

 

[Derec]

You'd have to stop tourists as well. And any cross-country trade. You didn't think of that, did you? Do you really think it's a good idea to shut down every countries borders because, perhaps, it might prevent terrorist attacks. If you thought it was bad in the Dark Ages, just wait until we do this.

There is a broad spectrum between closing borders entirely and opening them completely, including to unchecked Islamic migration.

What you are engaging in is actually a well known logical fallacy, that of the excluded middle.

 

[Trausti]

Islam is a religion of peace. If only stinky Islamophobes accepted that Western liberals understand Islam better than practicing Muslims. Gosh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll

 

[Jayjay]

You'd have to stop tourists as well. And any cross-country trade. You didn't think of that, did you? Do you really think it's a good idea to shut down every countries borders because, perhaps, it might prevent terrorist attacks. If you thought it was bad in the Dark Ages, just wait until we do this.

There is a broad spectrum between closing borders entirely and opening them completely, including to unchecked Islamic migration.

What you are engaging in is actually a well known logical fallacy, that of the excluded middle.

That picture is taken in Malaysia, not Sweden.

 

[Derec]

That picture is taken in Malaysia, not Sweden.

Yet they are burning Swedish flags. A wake up call for Zoidberg, Juma and other Swedish islamophiles.

 

[LordKiran]

That picture is taken in Malaysia, not Sweden.

Yet they are burning Swedish flags. A wake up call for Zoidberg, Juma and other Swedish islamophiles.

People burn flags all the time for a variety of reasons. So what's your point exactly?

 

[LordKiran]

Islam is a religion of peace. If only stinky Islamophobes accepted that Western liberals understand Islam better than practicing Muslims. Gosh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll

I don't get your graph. What's the time frame we're looking at here, because I can guaran-fucking-tee you there's more than 2 Zionist terrorist attacks in the entire world, in the span of the last 100 years.

Also not that it makes much difference to your point but I notice how your graph leaves out radical christian terror attacks

 

[Trausti]

Islam is a religion of peace. If only stinky Islamophobes accepted that Western liberals understand Islam better than practicing Muslims. Gosh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll

I don't get your graph. What's the time frame we're looking at here, because I can guaran-fucking-tee you there's more than 2 Zionist terrorist attacks in the entire world, in the span of the last 100 years.

Also not that it makes much difference to your point but I notice how your graph leaves out radical conservative terror attacks

So there's a link there.

 

[LordKiran]

I don't get your graph. What's the time frame we're looking at here, because I can guaran-fucking-tee you there's more than 2 Zionist terrorist attacks in the entire world, in the span of the last 100 years.

Also not that it makes much difference to your point but I notice how your graph leaves out radical conservative terror attacks

So there's a link there.

Yeah and it leads to a page that is unrelated to this discussion and I don't feel like parsing through it to try and decipher the time frame of this graph because you couldn't be bothered to clarify when asked.

 

[bilby]

Oh, please stop. Anti-terrorist activities are security theater. They only exist to make us feel safe, without actually making us any safer. There's no way to stop terrorist attacks in any country. It's way to easy to carry them out. All terrorist attacks that have been stopped in advanced have been so because somebody within the terrorist cell or with connections to it tip the police off. it's never thanks to "diligent police work". Anti-terror policing is an absolute joke.

They're only useful once after a terrorist attack has already begun. Which is good and important work. But don't for a second believe that your police is in any way protecting you from dying in a terrorist attack. They're just not. All they do is catch them afterwards. By then you'd of course be dead.

Yes there is a way to stop terrorist attacks! Don't allow Islamics to immigrate to Western countries!

Don't forget to also exclude Armenians, Croatians, anti abortion activists, anti nuclear activists, and ASIO. You would need to ban them too. And of course, even that wouldn't stop terrorist attacks.

Your ideas would be laughable, if they weren't so dangerously ignorant and ugly.