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[dismal]

And the second is person actions that reflect negatively on the team, judged by the team.

So, the team would risk going to court to prove that indulging in a constitutional right reflects negatively on the team, and the consequences if they lose that argument on the big stage...

There is no constitutional right issue here. You really need to register that. Employees do not have a constitutional right to engage in protests in their workplace.

There may be some collective bargaining agreement or employment agreement that is implicated in whether these people can be fired, but it has absolutely nothing whatever to do with the Constitution.

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I wonder how this "playing the national anthem is politics" grievance will work out for the left.

You guys better push that one hard.

Yes we know it will not play well to mindless Archie Bunker types.

Those are the types that organizations like the Nazi's are built around.

Mindless devotion and a willingness to follow any order.

Yes, call people who like the national anthem "Nazis". That's the ticket.

 

[untermensche]

So, the team would risk going to court to prove that indulging in a constitutional right reflects negatively on the team, and the consequences if they lose that argument on the big stage...

There is no constitutional right issue here. You really need to register that. Employees do not have a constitutional right to engage in protests in their workplace.

Only in slave societies is that true.

Yes, call people who like the national anthem "Nazis". That's the ticket.

You can't be that stupid.

This is not about liking something. It is about demanding someone else like it in the same way.

With the threat of loss of livelihood.

 

[dismal]

It is about demanding someone else like it in the same way.

One man stood alone:

 

[Mumbles]

I wonder how this "playing the national anthem is politics" grievance will work out for the left.

You guys better push that one hard.

I thought it was earlier than that, but then, I'm not enough of a sportsball fan to pay for a ticket.

Almost any time someone in military uniform that they "greet"is greeted, as well.

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Okay, we at least all know that they do this with jets, bombers, tanks, and the like in movies, right?

 

[repoman]

It is all about kissing ass of the good little zogbots.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

It would depend on everything in the contract too. But a contract for work between two parties also means that working conditions such as not pissing of your customers can be enforced. So for you, the owners can have several options. they can terminate the contract and pay off any fines or penalties for it. They can bench the player because there isn't anything that says they have to be played. Or they can not hire in the first place. We'll see what happens.

That was easy when it was one guy, coming off a bad year, who had opted out of his contract. Not any more. If one owner wants to fire or not hire all the players who joined in yesterday, another owner will say "thanks" and build a dynasty. Billionaires won't allow their $500+ million investment to go into the crapper.

 

[skepticalbip]

It would depend on everything in the contract too. But a contract for work between two parties also means that working conditions such as not pissing of your customers can be enforced. So for you, the owners can have several options. they can terminate the contract and pay off any fines or penalties for it. They can bench the player because there isn't anything that says they have to be played. Or they can not hire in the first place. We'll see what happens.

That was easy when it was one guy, coming off a bad year, who had opted out of his contract. Not any more. If one owner wants to fire or not hire all the players who joined in yesterday, another owner will say "thanks" and build a dynasty. Billionaires won't allow their $500+ million investment to go into the crapper.

But you are forgetting the possible effect on the fan base. Not that many people who watch football want to be embroiled in politics when trying to watch a football game. Reports are that demand for tickets is down and ESPN is loosing viewers. If the politics heats up, those billionaire NFL owners could end up loosing their pants.

Not necessarily a bad thing. I wouldn't be upset if professional football, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. ended up with the same popularity as chess matches.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

That was easy when it was one guy, coming off a bad year, who had opted out of his contract. Not any more. If one owner wants to fire or not hire all the players who joined in yesterday, another owner will say "thanks" and build a dynasty. Billionaires won't allow their $500+ million investment to go into the crapper.

But you are forgetting the possible effect on the fan base. Not that many people who watch football want to be embroiled in politics when trying to watch a football game. Reports are that demand for tickets is down and ESPN is loosing viewers. If the politics heats up, those billionaire NFL owners could end up loosing their pants.

Yes, the NFL's popularity has already peaked, IMO. But that was happening before anyone kneeled.

To give some perspective, the players strike that lasted half a season caused a bigger negative reaction than this.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

It is about demanding someone else like it in the same way.

One man stood alone:

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I don't understand the context. Not demanding everyone do the exact same thing for the exact same song is exactly what is being depicted in your attachment. Are you agreeing with Untermensche? (and really is that what patriotism boils down to these days?)

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[untermensche]

It is about demanding someone else like it in the same way.

One man stood alone:

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Great.

He abandons social problems in the society he lives for what?

 

[sharon45]

One man stood alone:

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All right, Mr. and Mrs. America, I'm ready for my close-up.

 

[sharon45]

I wouldn't be upset if professional football, baseball, basketball, soccer, etc. ended up with the same popularity as chess matches.

Well played, sir.

 

[ZiprHead]

But you are forgetting the possible effect on the fan base. Not that many people who watch football want to be embroiled in politics when trying to watch a football game. Reports are that demand for tickets is down and ESPN is loosing viewers. If the politics heats up, those billionaire NFL owners could end up loosing their pants.

Yes, the NFL's popularity has already peaked, IMO. But that was happening before anyone kneeled.

To give some perspective, the players strike that lasted half a season caused a bigger negative reaction than this.

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[dismal]

One man stood alone:

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I don't understand the context. Not demanding everyone do the exact same thing for the exact same song is exactly what is being depicted in your attachment. Are you agreeing with Untermensche? (and really is that what patriotism boils down to these days?)

aa

Yes, this guy is a medal-winning serviceman who went out to salute the anthem while go rest of his team stayed in the tunnel to protest America.

His coach was a bit ticked off a about it in the press, but fortunately he can't be fired because something in the Constitution.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What's fucking asshole. If he wants to exercise his freedom, he should do it in the officially mandated way which has been dictated to him.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

I don't understand the context. Not demanding everyone do the exact same thing for the exact same song is exactly what is being depicted in your attachment. Are you agreeing with Untermensche? (and really is that what patriotism boils down to these days?)

aa

Yes, this guy is a medal-winning serviceman who went out to salute the anthem while go rest of his team stayed in the tunnel to protest America.

His coach was a bit ticked off a about it in the press, but fortunately he can't be fired because something in the Constitution.

It should be noted that he feels like shit for doing it:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ittsburgh-steelers-standing-alone-intentional

 

[blastula]

They rest of the team didn't stay inside as a protest neither.

 

[untermensche]

Yes, this guy is a medal-winning serviceman who went out to salute the anthem while go rest of his team stayed in the tunnel to protest America.

His coach was a bit ticked off a about it in the press, but fortunately he can't be fired because something in the Constitution.

And he apologized to his teammates after doing this.

He spit in their faces for what?

To prove he's the biggest sucker of them all? Sent on an immoral mission to do immoral things.

 

[blastula]

I wonder how this "playing the national anthem is politics" grievance will work out for the left.

You guys better push that one hard.

There you go again telling liberals they need to be more pc.

 

[Terrell]

They rest of the team didn't stay inside as a protest neither.

Good point. Their coach even said so in the post-game interview. He said that he wanted to protect his players that had an opinion as well as the ones that didn't. If I take him at his word, that wasn't a protest on the part of the Steelers.