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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/us/nazi-sympathizer-profiled-by-the-times-loses-his-job.html
Ha ha!
I can't wait to hear all the conservatives complain that this is counts as "persecution" of white people. Aren't we attacking the free speech rights of Nazi sympathizers?
I am completely unfamiliar with this news, including things ronburgundy is talking about. Even so, if I were a restaurant owner I would not want a genocidal maniac serving possibly poisoned or shat-in food to minorities at my restaurant. I guess that means i am part of the regressive the left or whatever to some people who don't recognize basic tenets of capitalism or other rights such as freedom from being poisoned.
The Regressive The Left:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erenade-Confederate-rally-South-Carolina.html
The Regressive The Left:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erenade-Confederate-rally-South-Carolina.html
Trolling is not silencing. Indeed, not only is it perfectly consistent with free speech as, it has the added bonus of being much more effective.
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the complete inability of the politically right mode of thinking to be able to grasp the fundamental difference between governmental oppression of speech and a single venue telling assholes to shut the fuck up never ceases to astound me.From the reports out of California, limiting free speech to politically correct on campus is dangerous. It is sounding like Cuba or Venezuela or China.
Note that even this guy's firing involved violations of the principle of free speech. People made threats of violence against him, his family, and the restaurant. Besides being criminal (I hope they are tracked down and imprisoned), it is against the principle of free speech to use threats of violence or physically prevent others from speaking or third parties from allowing them to speak.
The fact that Underseer and pridefall saw no problem with this shows how eroded the value and understanding of the principle of free speech has become among some on left.
first of all, i'm not part of anything - i'm apolitical, i just find the subject interesting.No, your part of the regressive left if, like Underseer and pridefall, you cheer when death threats are used against anyone associated with a person in order to coerce those others to punish someone for their speech.
the latter here is patently and obviously bullshit on its face to the extent that i am honestly shocked you would even try and state something so ridiculously idiotic and expect anyone who hears you say it to not immediately assume you're suffering a traumatic head injury.You are part of the regressive left if you fail to grasp that the principle of free speech is not limited to preventing government coercion against speech, but also ensuring the content of speech plays no role in determining who can use public spaces to engage in discourse.
oooooo now the left is both regressive *and* fascist! sure you don't want to cover all your bases and call them the regressive fascist communist authoritarian neocon pedophile zombie 9/11 left?Thus you are part of the fascist regressive left if you support tactics designed to prevent others from being heard in a public forum rather than pro free speech efforts to counter those ideas.
the complete inability of the politically right mode of thinking to be able to grasp the fundamental difference between governmental oppression of speech and a single venue telling assholes to shut the fuck up never ceases to astound me.From the reports out of California, limiting free speech to politically correct on campus is dangerous. It is sounding like Cuba or Venezuela or China.
You're welcome; anytime.
Is there something wrong with you?
the complete inability of the politically right mode of thinking to be able to grasp the fundamental difference between governmental oppression of speech and a single venue telling assholes to shut the fuck up never ceases to astound me.From the reports out of California, limiting free speech to politically correct on campus is dangerous. It is sounding like Cuba or Venezuela or China.
based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the US first amendment and what "free speech" in the context of america really means.How is blocking someone's speech "free speech"?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
a college is not congress and so whatever they do is not an action covered under the first amendment, and students exercising their free speech to express their desire to not have some fuckwad come to the campus and speak and having the administrating body hear them and respond to their desire is free speech in action.
"free speech" means you can say what you what and the government won't arrest you for it... it doesn't mean you're entitled to a platform from which to spew your stupidity, and it doesn't mean other people are obligated to listen to you.
it never ceases to astound me how much difficulty people in the US have with comprehending this. do you need this in comic form to make it easier?
cool, so let them speak - that's why there is no law against them speaking. they can go stand on a street corner by the gas station with a bullhorn and scream about the liberal jews all day long.The best way to expose crazy right wingers is to let them speak IMO...
Free speech is where we allow views that we disagree with.
Note that even this guy's firing involved violations of the principle of free speech. People made threats of violence against him, his family, and the restaurant. Besides being criminal (I hope they are tracked down and imprisoned), it is against the principle of free speech to use threats of violence or physically prevent others from speaking or third parties from allowing them to speak.
The fact that Underseer and pridefall saw no problem with this shows how eroded the value and understanding of the principle of free speech has become among some on left.
OK, fine. If I discovered I had accidentally hired a Nazi, I'd find a way to get rid of him. And nevermind "free speech". He (it's almost always "he") would not be "a good fit" in the team. My team, my ball, my field. Go home.
Also, I am Canadian. Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms trumps free speech. Free speech is not permitted when it's hate speech. FWIW, we don't like guns either. Boom go two Amendments.
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He went a little strange when his promotion came through.
Lieutenant Obvious was more highly regarded, and less of an authoritarian.
Free speech is where we allow views that we disagree with.
That is as true as, "Love is where we argue over dinner".
Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/us/nazi-sympathizer-profiled-by-the-times-loses-his-job.html
Ha ha!
I can't wait to hear all the conservatives complain that this is counts as "persecution" of white people. Aren't we attacking the free speech rights of Nazi sympathizers?
I am completely unfamiliar with this news, including things ronburgundy is talking about. Even so, if I were a restaurant owner I would not want a genocidal maniac serving possibly poisoned or shat-in food to minorities at my restaurant. I guess that means i am part of the regressive the left or whatever to some people who don't recognize basic tenets of capitalism or other rights such as freedom from being poisoned.
No, your part of the regressive left if, like Underseer and pridefall, you cheer when death threats are used against anyone associated with a person in order to coerce those others to punish someone for their speech.
You are part of the regressive left if you fail to grasp that the principle of free speech is not limited to preventing government coercion against speech, but also ensuring the content of speech plays no role in determining who can use public spaces to engage in discourse.
Thus you are part of the fascist regressive left if you support tactics designed to prevent others from being heard in a public forum rather than pro free speech efforts to counter those ideas.