Nazi sympathizer profiled in New York Times loses job

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

You're welcome; anytime.

Is there something wrong with you?

He went a little strange when his promotion came through.

Lieutenant Obvious was more highly regarded, and less of an authoritarian.

It should be Major Obvious.

Major Lee Obvious

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.

I think the problem isn't you as much as it is that Nazis and KKK'ers are terrorists and should have been marked as a terrorist organization a long time ago. There really is no difference between al Qaeda and KKK or Nazis. The historical reason they haven't been so designated is probably vast numbers of sympathizers.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.

I think the problem isn't you as much as it is that Nazis and KKK'ers are terrorists and should have been marked as a terrorist organization a long time ago. There really is no difference between al Qaeda and KKK or Nazis. The historical reason they haven't been so designated is probably vast numbers of sympathizers.

I disagree. The Nazis were responsible for a lot more deaths than al Qaeda or ISIS. Even including the entire Middle East, al Qaeda and ISIS are well short of a magnitude of the Nazis. Anyone that sympathizes with Nazis is entitled to be ignored or fired. Want to talk about allies to the Nazis in Eastern Europe who were trying to keep the Soviets from entering their borders, fine. But Nazi Nazis... fuck them. Genocide is not a direction for free speech.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

No, your part of the regressive left if, like Underseer and pridefall, you cheer when death threats are used against anyone associated with a person in order to coerce those others to punish someone for their speech.
You are part of the regressive left if you fail to grasp that the principle of free speech is not limited to preventing government coercion against speech, but also ensuring the content of speech plays no role in determining who can use public spaces to engage in discourse.
Thus you are part of the fascist regressive left if you support tactics designed to prevent others from being heard in a public forum rather than pro free speech efforts to counter those ideas.

Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.

Other groups with very large body counts are still allowed in the forum.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No, your part of the regressive left if, like Underseer and pridefall, you cheer when death threats are used against anyone associated with a person in order to coerce those others to punish someone for their speech.
You are part of the regressive left if you fail to grasp that the principle of free speech is not limited to preventing government coercion against speech, but also ensuring the content of speech plays no role in determining who can use public spaces to engage in discourse.
Thus you are part of the fascist regressive left if you support tactics designed to prevent others from being heard in a public forum rather than pro free speech efforts to counter those ideas.

Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.

Other groups with very large body counts are still allowed in the forum.

Good for them. And when you find Khmer Rouge or Hutu sympathizers...

 

[Malintent]

No, your part of the regressive left if, like Underseer and pridefall, you cheer when death threats are used against anyone associated with a person in order to coerce those others to punish someone for their speech.
You are part of the regressive left if you fail to grasp that the principle of free speech is not limited to preventing government coercion against speech, but also ensuring the content of speech plays no role in determining who can use public spaces to engage in discourse.
Thus you are part of the fascist regressive left if you support tactics designed to prevent others from being heard in a public forum rather than pro free speech efforts to counter those ideas.

Nazis had their chance at a forum. They fucked it up with their whole extermination of over ten million civilians thing.

Other groups with very large body counts are still allowed in the forum.

Such as...?

 

[bilby]

Is there something wrong with you?

He went a little strange when his promotion came through.

Lieutenant Obvious was more highly regarded, and less of an authoritarian.

It should be Major Obvious.

Major Lee Obvious

There's a colonel of truth in that. It's general knowledge.

 

[Malintent]

He went a little strange when his promotion came through.

Lieutenant Obvious was more highly regarded, and less of an authoritarian.

It should be Major Obvious.

Major Lee Obvious

There's a colonel of truth in that. It's general knowledge.

I don't know, it may be Private. You don't need Corporal knowledge to be Majorly put off, though.

 

[RavenSky]

Canadians don't like guns? The country with like the most hunting in the world.. doesn't;t like guns?
They love their guns!!... they just don't MAKE love to them like they do in America.

perfect differentiation

 

[RavenSky]

It should be Major Obvious.

Major Lee Obvious

There's a colonel of truth in that. It's general knowledge.

I don't know, it may be Private. You don't need Corporal knowledge to be Majorly put off, though.

I love it when you all get punny

 

[Elixir]

Major Lee Obvious

There's a colonel of truth in that. It's general knowledge.

I don't know, it may be Private. You don't need Corporal knowledge to be Majorly put off, though.

I love it when you all get punny

Yeah - it's Admirable.

 

[bilby]

There's a colonel of truth in that. It's general knowledge.

I don't know, it may be Private. You don't need Corporal knowledge to be Majorly put off, though.

I love it when you all get punny

Yeah - it's Admirable.

That is RANK.

 

[Patooka]

I'm trying to marshal up the effort of reading this thread without groaning. It's not working.

 

[dendrast]

nm

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I can't seamen continuing to write posts like these.

 

[lpetrich]

I'm late to this party, but I think that he should not have been fired. If his Nazi sympathies aren't affecting his job performance or his relations with other employees, then he deserves to stay on the job.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I'm late to this party, but I think that he should not have been fired. If his Nazi sympathies aren't affecting his job performance or his relations with other employees, then he deserves to stay on the job.

Everyone has a right to a different perspective on this, but from where I am standing, if he supports genocide of blacks and jews, then he's a risk to prepare food for minorities. If the kitchen is very separated from the rest of the restaurant and no one is communicating the race of customers to him, then risk goes away.

 

[James Madison]

How is blocking someone's speech "free speech"?

based on your fundamental misunderstanding of the US first amendment and what "free speech" in the context of america really means.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

a college is not congress and so whatever they do is not an action covered under the first amendment, and students exercising their free speech to express their desire to not have some fuckwad come to the campus and speak and having the administrating body hear them and respond to their desire is free speech in action.
"free speech" means you can say what you what and the government won't arrest you for it... it doesn't mean you're entitled to a platform from which to spew your stupidity, and it doesn't mean other people are obligated to listen to you.
it never ceases to astound me how much difficulty people in the US have with comprehending this. do you need this in comic form to make it easier?

The best way to expose crazy right wingers is to let them speak IMO...

cool, so let them speak - that's why there is no law against them speaking. they can go stand on a street corner by the gas station with a bullhorn and scream about the liberal jews all day long.

Your argument is anachronistic as applied to public colleges. Your argument is applicable to the 1700 and 1800s, specifically the time period preceding passage of the 14th Amendment.

To be more precise, your argument was null and void the moment SCOTUS incorporated the 1st Amendment Free Speech Clause onto the States. Public universities are state actors, and therefore, are subject to 1st Amendment Free Speech Clause.

This digression aside, the story here involves a restaurant. A restaurant, not constituting as a government actor, may fire any employee for their speech without implicating the 1st Amendment.

And I support his termination.

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[Jimmy Higgins]

I'm late to this party, but I think that he should not have been fired. If his Nazi sympathies aren't affecting his job performance or his relations with other employees, then he deserves to stay on the job.

And with this information out, do you really think it won't affect anything?

 

[dendrast]

I'm late to this party, but I think that he should not have been fired. If his Nazi sympathies aren't affecting his job performance or his relations with other employees, then he deserves to stay on the job.

Everyone has a right to a different perspective on this, but from where I am standing, if he supports genocide of blacks and jews, then he's a risk to prepare food for minorities. If the kitchen is very separated from the rest of the restaurant and no one is communicating the race of customers to him, then risk goes away.

Not to mention how disruptive he'd be to the team and bad for morale if there was even one member of his special groups whom he hates working there. He wouldn't last long in my kitchen. I might not be able to fire him because he's a bigot, but I would definitely have him out one way or another.