DACA

[ZiprHead]

Watsa matter, Derec? Did a Mexican steal yer jerb?

 

[ZiprHead]

Watsa matter, Derec? Did a Mexican steal yer jerb?

Aaww, Trausti left this neg rep comment for the post above. "No wonder this place is going down the shitter."

Perhaps he'd feel better at stormfront?

 

[Derec]

Watsa matter, Derec? Did a Mexican steal yer jerb?

Perhaps he'd feel better at stormfront?

Personal comments like that are surest sign you have no arguments

ITMFA

And get Pence? Are you sure you and Savage thought that one through?

 

[Toni]

Personal comments like that are surest sign you have no arguments

ITMFA

And get Pence? Are you sure you and Savage thought that one through?

I really go back and forth re: Pence. On one hand, he is surely more mentally competent than Trump which could make him more effective at bad stuff--and it would be really bad. He believes the ideology he espouses while I am convinced that Trump thinks of nothing beyond himself. And then, Pence is a serious creeper, IMO. That bothers me quite a bit more than his political bent, which is diametrically opposed to my own.

On the hand, he is unlikely to be able to marshal a cult of personality which is what Trump has done. I think that if Trump left office, for any reason at all, and we inherited Pence, we'd only have him for the balance of Trump's term. Paul Ryan is a bit more problematic in that I think he is ideologically uncertain, but leans towards whatever is most mean spirited. And he's ambitious.

However horrible and incompetent one might think Trump, he did think carefully about the line of succession.


Come on, mid-terms!

 

[Derec]

There are numerous stories on how the children of immigrants frequently outperform natives.

That is to be expected statistically. Even if mean of P1 > mean of P2, some individuals from P2 will have higher value than some individuals from P1. The bigger the variances in the two groups, the more often that happens. Achievement between different individuals in a population has a relatively high variance.

Note that I am not against immigration. But I am against illegal immigration. I am against mass migration. I am against not taking incompatible culture into account when drafting migration policy - for example letting in large numbers of Afghans and Somalis without proper vetting (i.e. Iman or Ali Hirsi Ali are fine, Al Shabab Islamists and sympathizers should not be) even though vast majority of them support things like Sharia Law.

Do you consider the CATO institute to be liberal? Here's a great story:

They are not "liberal" in the American parlance, but CATO is infamous for supporting completely open borders. There is not much difference between CATO and far left on the issue of immigration I'm afraid.

Again, why the need to put down dreamers as illegals? Why does your side have to be so offensive?

Because it corresponds to reality. We are supposed to be members of the reality-based community here. If the so-called dreamers were not illegal, there would be no need for laws or executive orders to prevent their deportation or to give them permission to work.

Note, I am not averse to DACA (but I think the criteria of the EO were too broad, especially regarding criminal records) but at the same time the immigration system should be fixed so that illegals are deported shortly after they arrive because otherwise we will have a new "dreamer" problem in 20 years.

 

[Derec]

I really go back and forth re: Pence. On one hand, he is surely more mentally competent than Trump which could make him more effective at bad stuff--and it would be really bad. He believes the ideology he espouses while I am convinced that Trump thinks of nothing beyond himself.

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

And then, Pence is a serious creeper, IMO. That bothers me quite a bit more than his political bent, which is diametrically opposed to my own.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?

On the hand, he is unlikely to be able to marshal a cult of personality which is what Trump has done. I think that if Trump left office, for any reason at all, and we inherited Pence, we'd only have him for the balance of Trump's term.

Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.

Come on, mid-terms!

Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

 

[RavenSky]

When Rand Paul is the reasonable Republican:

Sen. Rand Paul calls for bipartisanship: “I’m kind of a believer in we were all elected, let’s vote on issues and let’s vote on amendments to issues. And I won’t win all the time, the Democrats won’t will all the time, but something will come out”

Lindsey Graham: “Every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members. As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating immigration, we're going nowhere,”

 

[Ford]

Watsa matter, Derec? Did a Mexican steal yer jerb?

Aaww, Trausti left this neg rep comment for the post above. "No wonder this place is going down the shitter."

Perhaps he'd feel better at stormfront?

I'm pretty sure the ignore feature blocks rep comments as well.

 

[Toni]

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?

On the hand, he is unlikely to be able to marshal a cult of personality which is what Trump has done. I think that if Trump left office, for any reason at all, and we inherited Pence, we'd only have him for the balance of Trump's term.

Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.

Come on, mid-terms!

Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

For the most part, I think no one gives much thought to Pence at all. Which is his greatest strength/secret super power. My own personal opinion is that young women have absolutely nothing to fear if left alone with Pence. Young men might be entirely different.

The Me Too movement can be more directly to the self described pussy grabber in chief. Under Obama, I think we all allowed ourselves to believe that things were getting better,in a global sense, if not personally. If nothing else, Trump’s presidency has highlighted—glaringly—just how much progress there is to be made on so many fronts.

And yeah: #Me Too.

 

[whichphilosophy]

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?



Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.


Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

For the most part, I think no one gives much thought to Pence at all. Which is his greatest strength/secret super power. My own personal opinion is that young women have absolutely nothing to fear if left alone with Pence. Young men might be entirely different.

The Me Too movement can be more directly to the self described pussy grabber in chief. Under Obama, I think we all allowed ourselves to believe that things were getting better,in a global sense, if not personally. If nothing else, Trump’s presidency has highlighted—glaringly—just how much progress there is to be made on so many fronts.

And yeah: #Me Too.

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

 

[whichphilosophy]

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?



Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.


Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

For the most part, I think no one gives much thought to Pence at all. Which is his greatest strength/secret super power. My own personal opinion is that young women have absolutely nothing to fear if left alone with Pence. Young men might be entirely different.

The Me Too movement can be more directly to the self described pussy grabber in chief. Under Obama, I think we all allowed ourselves to believe that things were getting better,in a global sense, if not personally. If nothing else, Trump’s presidency has highlighted—glaringly—just how much progress there is to be made on so many fronts.

And yeah: #Me Too.

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

 

[Harry Bosch]

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?



Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.


Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

For the most part, I think no one gives much thought to Pence at all. Which is his greatest strength/secret super power. My own personal opinion is that young women have absolutely nothing to fear if left alone with Pence. Young men might be entirely different.

The Me Too movement can be more directly to the self described pussy grabber in chief. Under Obama, I think we all allowed ourselves to believe that things were getting better,in a global sense, if not personally. If nothing else, Trump’s presidency has highlighted—glaringly—just how much progress there is to be made on so many fronts.

And yeah: #Me Too.

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

Democrats are just as aggressive against Islamic terrorists as republicans. But there are some differences. Dems tend to prefer empowering locals to do the actual governance. Secondly, dems tend to seek much larger coalitions. Obama attacking Libya was one of his worst decisions. But the difference is that most of the world agreed with the decision. It was really a wide group that attacked Gadify. So we went in, then got out fast. Trump would have invaded with a 100,000 troops, and we'd still be there.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

Democrats are just as aggressive against Islamic terrorists as republicans. But there are some differences. Dems tend to prefer empowering locals to do the actual governance. Secondly, dems tend to seek much larger coalitions. Obama attacking Libya was one of his worst decisions. But the difference is that most of the world agreed with the decision. It was really a wide group that attacked Gadify. So we went in, then got out fast. Trump would have invaded with a 100,000 troops, and we'd still be there.

As I said Maybe Trump can outdo him. Syria is another wasted war.

 

[funinspace]

All true. Also a good description of Trump. Credit where it's due.

A "creeper" perhaps, but don't you think all this #metoo nonsense is playing right into this "can't be alone with a woman other than his wife" thing? Isn't that the neo-Victorian direction we are moving toward, sadly?



Probably true for Trump as well, unless Dems completely botch the nomination process again. But in that case Pence could squeeze through as well.


Are you thinking about impeaching both simultaneously (President Pelosi ) or just hoping to get a veto power over any VP nomination President Pence might field?

For the most part, I think no one gives much thought to Pence at all. Which is his greatest strength/secret super power. My own personal opinion is that young women have absolutely nothing to fear if left alone with Pence. Young men might be entirely different.

The Me Too movement can be more directly to the self described pussy grabber in chief. Under Obama, I think we all allowed ourselves to believe that things were getting better,in a global sense, if not personally. If nothing else, Trump’s presidency has highlighted—glaringly—just how much progress there is to be made on so many fronts.

And yeah: #Me Too.

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

Well, as El Cheato has already bombed all of the above countries, I don't think it will be hard for him to out do Bush-Obama. Beside, the FFvC Administration has already laid the groundwork for a whole new ball park of strikes in Africa (never mind the recent firefight which left 4 US soldiers and 4 Nigerian soldiers dead in another ghost war). Yeah, I'd say by next summer, it will be at least eight countries bombed...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/pentagon-niger-drones.html

The government of Niger has given the Defense Department permission to fly armed drones out of the Nigerien capital, Niamey, Pentagon officials said Thursday, in a major expansion of the American military’s footprint in Africa.

Pentagon officials want to start the flights within days.

Additionally, El Cheato is quite clearly trying to hide the activities even further of US military machinations...
http://www.carbonated.tv/news/trump-expected-to-turn-drone-murders-into-covert-operations

Targeted killing was an issue under the last administration. And now, President Donald Trump might have made it worse.

Reports from Vice and others claim he transferred the power over his predecessor's drone program entirely to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)...
<snip>
By allowing targeted drone strikes to be carried out without the approval of the Pentagon, Trump has essentially shielded these killings from public scrutiny.

According to Dan Gettinger, co-director at the Center for the Study of the Drone at Bard College, this move gives the CIA “greater freedom to carry out strikes on its own.” And because the CIA operates covertly, or in the shadows, the Wall Street Journal suggests that giving the agency more blanket powers will lead to less accountability.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Obama bombed seven countries in six years namely Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and Syria. How is that getting better,in a global sense. Maybe Trump can outdo him.

Well, as El Cheato has already bombed all of the above countries, I don't think it will be hard for him to out do Bush-Obama. Beside, the FFvC Administration has already laid the groundwork for a whole new ball park of strikes in Africa (never mind the recent firefight which left 4 US soldiers and 4 Nigerian soldiers dead in another ghost war). Yeah, I'd say by next summer, it will be at least eight countries bombed...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/pentagon-niger-drones.html

The government of Niger has given the Defense Department permission to fly armed drones out of the Nigerien capital, Niamey, Pentagon officials said Thursday, in a major expansion of the American military’s footprint in Africa.

Pentagon officials want to start the flights within days.

Additionally, El Cheato is quite clearly trying to hide the activities even further of US military machinations...
http://www.carbonated.tv/news/trump-expected-to-turn-drone-murders-into-covert-operations

Targeted killing was an issue under the last administration. And now, President Donald Trump might have made it worse.

Reports from Vice and others claim he transferred the power over his predecessor's drone program entirely to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)...
<snip>
By allowing targeted drone strikes to be carried out without the approval of the Pentagon, Trump has essentially shielded these killings from public scrutiny.

According to Dan Gettinger, co-director at the Center for the Study of the Drone at Bard College, this move gives the CIA “greater freedom to carry out strikes on its own.” And because the CIA operates covertly, or in the shadows, the Wall Street Journal suggests that giving the agency more blanket powers will lead to less accountability.

Maybe Trump can add another 2 countries.

For the CIA operating covertly, or in the shadows that's not news.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

If people are so off the deep end in their notions of conspiracy theories that even the concept of a shadowy government agency covertly murdering people without oversight or accountability raises red flags for them, then they're kind of already beyond the point that they can even be talked to.

 

[whichphilosophy]

If people are so off the deep end in their notions of conspiracy theories that even the concept of a shadowy government agency covertly murdering people without oversight or accountability raises red flags for them, then they're kind of already beyond the point that they can even be talked to.

All intelligence agencies operate to some degree in some areas under cover or in the shadows.

 

[repoman]

This is a glorious ad

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or how about this flyer by the fascist Antifas:

There's been a lot of false-flag stuff. Sure that isn't some of it?

 

[repoman]

It should say when you date another white...