#BlackinAmerica

[laughing dog]

Wow. It doesn't matter what she was wearing or why she was wearing it - the police literally mishandled her. So your conjectures serve no purpose but to blame the victim. Wow.

Not blaming the "victim". I was just stating the fact that the top she had on can shift easily and thus is no evidence that police "mishandled" her.

No, you were not, since you were speculating what she might have been doing. So I doubt you are even fooling yourself with that remark, let alone anyone else.

Of course they mishandled her - there was no need to handle her at all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The article lacks about thirteen critical pieces of information.

It sounds like the course backed up due to a late start due to weather. And then this guy lost his mind. Did he seriously offer membership refunds... on the course? The women might have been playing slowly, but no one really says they were as a source.

 

[laughing dog]

The article lacks about thirteen critical pieces of information.

It sounds like the course backed up due to a late start due to weather. And then this guy lost his mind. Did he seriously offer membership refunds... on the course? The women might have been playing slowly, but no one really says they were as a source.

I asked a few of my friends who are avid golfers (most of them are conservatives as well). To a person, they told me that anyone who goes to play golf and expects others to play fast enough to suit their needs is an asshole.

 

[jab]

a) I am not racist. I am just annoyed by racist double standards in our society.


P.S.: Also, make up your mind. Were they waiting for a friend or a business partner?

1. Yeah, and Nixon was not a crook.
2. P.S. the two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Derec]

1. Yeah, and Nixon was not a crook.

Yeah, and I thought making up baseless accusations against fellow posters was against the rules. But I guess not.

2. P.S. the two things are not mutually exclusive.

In theory no, but I have seen no claims that they were friends.

 

[Mumbles]

Cops called on black female golfers for playing too slowly.

At least this bit is somewhat refreshing

Northern York County Regional Police Chief Mark Bentzel told The Post that when the officers arrived, they learned the reason they were called was because of a dispute between the club’s management and the golfers. After talking with both groups for about 20 minutes, “we determined this was not something that the police department needed to be involved with.”

“We determined this was not a police matter, and we left,” Bentzel said. “Other than people offering their opinion back and forth, there were no problems. No need for us to be there.”

It is - good work on the cops in that case, unlike this one where they harass a black guy for hours for giving change to a beggar.

 

[Derec]

No, you were not, since you were speculating what she might have been doing.

I am not speculating what she is wearing, which is the pertinent piece of information when it comes to force necessary to inadvertently expose her breasts during struggle.
As to speculating what she was doing, theoretically, yes, we do not know for sure. Practically, given her attire, lateness of the hour, and the fact that many people go to WH for a bite to eat after a night out, it is not going out on a limb to assume she was partying at a club.

So I doubt you are even fooling yourself with that remark, let alone anyone else.

You are the one always trying to fool people, not me.

Of course they mishandled her - there was no need to handle her at all.

Who is speculating now?
If they asked her to leave and she refused, they did have a need to arrest her which necessitates at least some handling. And if she resists, as she did, it requires more handling.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I am not speculating what she is wearing, which is the pertinent piece of information when it comes to force necessary to inadvertently expose her breasts during struggle.
As to speculating what she was doing, theoretically, yes, we do not know for sure. Practically, given her attire, lateness of the hour, and the fact that many people go to WH for a bite to eat after a night out, it is not going out on a limb to assume she was partying at a club.

You are the one always trying to fool people, not me.

Of course they mishandled her - there was no need to handle her at all.

Who is speculating now?
If they asked her to leave and she refused, they did have a need to arrest her which necessitates at least some handling. And if she resists, as she did, it requires more handling.

It does not necessitate handling. Rational explanation can go far to explaining why and having people listen. In fact, this is recommended for bosses-to explain rationally instead of to rely on hierachy, like "do it because i said so."

 

[Derec]

Are you aware that there is absolutely nothing at all indicating that she was in any way intoxicated?

She looks like she just came from a club. Which are places where people tend to consume large quantities of alcohol. t's not exactly rocket science.

This is a speculation that you invented out of whole cloth

Not whole cloth. Pretty skimpy cloth.

in order to justify the reaction of the staff in the store... and seemingly for no other reason at all.

Well, since the only thing we know for sure is that she got arrested and accidentally flashed Waffle House and Tumblr, everything else is speculation. But alcohol would explain her combativeness.

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It does not necessitate handling. Rational explanation can go far to explaining why and having people listen. In fact, this is recommended for bosses-to explain rationally instead of to rely on hierachy, like "do it because i said so."

And if they don't? You assume police arrested her for no reason, but you do not know that.

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I must be doing something wrong. I’ve never accidentally disrobed a person before.

Me neither. But then again, I never had to arrest a skimpily dressed person either.

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Read the article instead of making assumptions. It's actually in there, fairly clearly.

I was on my phone and did not feel like dealing with WaPo's paywall foolishness.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

At least this bit is somewhat refreshing

It is - good work on the cops in that case, unlike this one where they harass a black guy for hours for giving change to a beggar.

I can believe that story and not believe it. It’d be a little more believable without the video clip inserted. But yeah, black guy *insert any situation* can be presumed guilty of something.

 

[laughing dog]

I am not speculating what she is wearing, which is the pertinent piece of information

Yet you felt the need to speculate why she might have been wearing what she was wearing - just to get a little blaming the victim in.

when it comes to force necessary to inadvertently expose her breasts during struggle.
As to speculating what she was doing, theoretically, yes, we do not know for sure. Practically, given her attire, lateness of the hour, and the fact that many people go to WH for a bite to eat after a night out, it is not going out on a limb to assume she was partying at a club.

Doesn't matter what she was doing because that is irrelevant to the issue. But it is reassuring to see you that you cannot help yourself in blaming the victim.

You are the one always trying to fool people, not me.

Nice try.

Who is speculating now? If..

You are. FFS, You really cannot help yourself.

If they asked her to leave and she refused, they did have a need to arrest her which necessitates at least some handling. And if she resists, as she did, it requires more handling.

Including taking her clothes off? Wow.

 

[Trausti]

 

[Derec]

The struggle is real.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Oh gawd now theres two of them

 

[Loren Pechtel]

NSFW.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shes-owed-apology-father-woman-arrested-alabama-waffle/story?id=54669482

Another Waffle House story. This black lady places an order and asks for plasticware to go with it. Was it to-go maybe? It seems pretty standard to get plasticware with a to-go order but she was black. They tell her it costs 50 cents and she objects because not only is it wrong on convention, she'd been there a week earlier and they didn't charge her because they know it's ridiculous. The server removes the order. The black lady asks to get the phone number of the corporate office to complain. The staff DON'T ASK HER TO LEAVE. Operative word: DON'T. They quietly call the police out of view of the customer while not telling her they aren't getting a card with the number of the corporate office/district manager. The police arrive and start dealing with the black woman who is very confused over what is going on. They're trying to arrest her and force her into handcuffs and she is asking her what are the charges. They DON'T TELL HER WHY OR CHARGES. Again, operative word: DON'T. She's not hurting police but protecting her body as the police end up removing her top/shirt/top of dress or whatever exposing her in front of the whole restaurant and staff. She keeps asking what the charges are, micro-protesting, you know is dangerous. One of the cops tells her he is GOING TO BREAK HER ARM. So after an unjust struggle because they wouldn't tell her the charges, they hurt her enough to put handcuffs on her and take her to the station. After all is said and done, they charge her with disorderly conduct because, you know, she made a scene they treated her inconsistently and inconsistent with the rest of society, arrested her without charge, threatened her, and exposed her breasts in front of everyone.

WARNING: be careful of looking at any videos or links at work. NSFW.

Reading the article it's clear she was resisting. You don't get to pull the "what are the charges" crap when a cop tries to arrest you.

 

[Derec]

Yet you felt the need to speculate why she might have been wearing what she was wearing - just to get a little blaming the victim in.

The main part of my point was that her top was easy to inadvertently shift exposing her breasts especially since she didn't have a bra on.
The possible intoxication was just a side point. It would explain her being combative, and is far less speculative than your assumption that police manhandled her for no good reason.

Doesn't matter what she was doing because that is irrelevant to the issue.

Why not? If she was drunk and disorderly, it puts the entire incident in a different light.
But it is reassuring to see you that you cannot help yourself in blaming the victim.

Nice try.

You are the one projecting.

You are. FFS, You really cannot help yourself.

No, you were speculating. And your speculation was far more speculative than thinking she was probably at a club drinking dressed like that at 4AM.

Including taking her clothes off? Wow.

Not even the woman or her friend claims that the police took her top off on purpose. And I already explained that the top she was wearing would shift easily during a struggle.

 

[laughing dog]

The main part of my point was that her top was easy to inadvertently shift exposing her breasts especially since she didn't have a bra on.
The possible intoxication was just a side point. It would explain her being combative, and is far less speculative than your assumption that police manhandled her for no good reason.

You interjected your conjecture about intoxication before I made a post. But thanks for proving my point.

Why not? If she was drunk and disorderly, it puts the entire incident in a different light.

Was she arrested or charged with being drunk and/or disorderly? Until you have actual evidence to support your conjecture, you are blaming the victim.

No, you were speculating.

Clearly, you don't know what the word means. When you use the word "IF" you are literally making stuff up. I have not used such a word.

Not even the woman or her friend claims that the police took her top off on purpose. And I already explained that the top she was wearing would shift easily during a struggle.

No, you asserted that without evidence. And I strongly expect from your posting history that you have little personal experience in getting the top off a woman who is not co-operating.

 

[Arctish]

NSFW.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shes-owed-apology-father-woman-arrested-alabama-waffle/story?id=54669482

Another Waffle House story. This black lady places an order and asks for plasticware to go with it. Was it to-go maybe? It seems pretty standard to get plasticware with a to-go order but she was black. They tell her it costs 50 cents and she objects because not only is it wrong on convention, she'd been there a week earlier and they didn't charge her because they know it's ridiculous. The server removes the order. The black lady asks to get the phone number of the corporate office to complain. The staff DON'T ASK HER TO LEAVE. Operative word: DON'T. They quietly call the police out of view of the customer while not telling her they aren't getting a card with the number of the corporate office/district manager. The police arrive and start dealing with the black woman who is very confused over what is going on. They're trying to arrest her and force her into handcuffs and she is asking her what are the charges. They DON'T TELL HER WHY OR CHARGES. Again, operative word: DON'T. She's not hurting police but protecting her body as the police end up removing her top/shirt/top of dress or whatever exposing her in front of the whole restaurant and staff. She keeps asking what the charges are, micro-protesting, you know is dangerous. One of the cops tells her he is GOING TO BREAK HER ARM. So after an unjust struggle because they wouldn't tell her the charges, they hurt her enough to put handcuffs on her and take her to the station. After all is said and done, they charge her with disorderly conduct because, you know, she made a scene they treated her inconsistently and inconsistent with the rest of society, arrested her without charge, threatened her, and exposed her breasts in front of everyone.

WARNING: be careful of looking at any videos or links at work. NSFW.

Reading the article it's clear she was resisting. You don't get to pull the "what are the charges" crap when a cop tries to arrest you.

Asking the police why they are arresting you is the same as resisting arrest?

 

[Emily Lake]

Well, since the only thing we know for sure is that she got arrested and accidentally flashed Waffle House and Tumblr, everything else is speculation. But alcohol would explain her combativeness.

Holy fuck, Derec. Look - I can understand and empathize with your perspective on race and gender issues; I don't agree with it at all, but I can understand where you're coming from. But fucking hell, man, you have GOT to remove some of the filters you're using!

SHE didn't flash anyone at all. Casting this as her flashing anyone is ridiculous - it's absolutely narrative crafting rhetoric with no basis in reality. And seriously... "combative"? I swear it's almost like you're trying to rewrite reality so it better coincides with what you want it to be.

Your whole response here is absurd.

 

[Emily Lake]

You don't get to pull the "what are the charges" crap when a cop tries to arrest you.

Yes, actually, you do. They cannot arrest you without reason. People have rights in the US, regardless of their ethnicity.