Naked black people have superpowers!

[Underseer]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/05/21/us/ap-us-naked-man-shot.html

Why shoot an unarmed man? What threat did he pose?

It turns out that the cop thought the naked veteran in question had superhuman strength, superhuman endurance, and was impervious to pain.

"You basically gave him one second before you killed him, correct?" Johnson asked. "Before I shot him, yes," Olsen replied.

Sure, it's possible that the victim was on some kind of drug that would make him stronger, but the cop made no attempt to understand what was going on before deciding to kill a citizen. We know from countless other arrests that if the victim had been a white veteran with mental issues, he probably would have been captured alive.

The statistics show this, and individual cases disprove the various rationalizations certain people use to try and excuse the fact that American police often kill people just because they're are from certain races. In fact many are willing to make incredibly flimsy arguments to make sure none of this changes, although I'm not going to speculate on why they would do such a thing.

But I'm not going to call this an example of racism, because that would trigger half the board and start crying fits.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, he isn't the first naked guy to get shot. Won't be the last. #copsdonotmakeerrors

 

[arkirk]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/05/21/us/ap-us-naked-man-shot.html

Why shoot an unarmed man? What threat did he pose?

It turns out that the cop thought the naked veteran in question had superhuman strength, superhuman endurance, and was impervious to pain.

"You basically gave him one second before you killed him, correct?" Johnson asked. "Before I shot him, yes," Olsen replied.

Sure, it's possible that the victim was on some kind of drug that would make him stronger, but the cop made no attempt to understand what was going on before deciding to kill a citizen. We know from countless other arrests that if the victim had been a white veteran with mental issues, he probably would have been captured alive.

The statistics show this, and individual cases disprove the various rationalizations certain people use to try and excuse the fact that American police often kill people just because they're are from certain races. In fact many are willing to make incredibly flimsy arguments to make sure none of this changes, although I'm not going to speculate on why they would do such a thing.

But I'm not going to call this an example of racism, because that would trigger half the board and start crying fits.

It may be a kind of mythologically based racism, but it also is COWARDICE. Even if they fear for their lives, they are cowards and admitting it publicly. They need to have their guns taken away and no longer be allowed to be law enforcement or any other type of armed officer.

 

[Keith&Co.]

It may be a kind of mythologically based racism, but it also is COWARDICE. Even if they fear for their lives, they are cowards and admitting it publicly. They need to have their guns taken away and no longer be allowed to be law enforcement or any other type of armed officer.

One of the typical conditions of applying deadly force is 'to protect life' or 'to protect your own life, or the life of another.' Each force will have a formal list of conditions which, if met, merit the banging of the boom boom stick.

Admitting to 'fear for my life' just means that you thought that condition was met.

It's marking off one leg of a decision tree.
Did you:
a: judge that there was a risk to your life
b: judge that there was a risk to the life(lives) of bystander(s)
c: judge that a felony was in progress
d: judge that the individual was on at least four federal wanted posters
e: judge that there was a risk of escape by someone who had committed at least one felony.


It's not the same as saying 'I shit my pants so I shot him.'

 

[James Brown]

Florida man caught walking around naked with a bottle of cooking oil, deputies say


Tased, but not shot to death.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

 

[Derec]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/05/21/us/ap-us-naked-man-shot.html

Why shoot an unarmed man? What threat did he pose?

It turns out that the cop thought the naked veteran in question had superhuman strength, superhuman endurance, and was impervious to pain.

But not because he was naked and black. Rather, people on drugs such as PCP often do strip their clothes off, and they can exhibit "superhuman" (in the sense of more than a human body normally produces, not in the Marvel superhero sense) strength and imperviousness to pain, rendering tasers relatively ineffective for example.

Sure, it's possible that the victim was on some kind of drug that would make him stronger, but the cop made no attempt to understand what was going on before deciding to kill a citizen. We know from countless other arrests that if the victim had been a white veteran with mental issues, he probably would have been captured alive.

How do you figure? Vast majority of blacks get arrested without getting shot too.

The statistics show this, and individual cases disprove the various rationalizations certain people use to try and excuse the fact that American police often kill people just because they're are from certain races. In fact many are willing to make incredibly flimsy arguments to make sure none of this changes, although I'm not going to speculate on why they would do such a thing.

Statistics do not show that, because the activists pushing them adjust on population shares instead of based on police interactions. Since black people commit more crimes and thus get arrested more often, the baseline will be different than population shares.

But I'm not going to call this an example of racism, because that would trigger half the board and start crying fits.

It's that there is zero evidence that racism was involved. Not every time a black person is killed is it due to racism,.

Now, I would say Olson did make mistakes when responding to this incident. However, the DeKalb DA grossly overcharged him - this comes nowhere near first degree murder.

Also, there were hardly any protests and no riots. I guess #BlackLivesMatter reserves those for when real criminals are shot - Michael Brown, Freddie Grey, Keith Scott, Mario Woods, Stephon Clark. A veteran with mental health issues is not exactly somebody their core base of supporters can identify with.

 

[laughing dog]

Also, there were hardly any protests and no riots.

Because this was taken seriously by the DA. Duh.

I guess #BlackLivesMatter reserves those for when real criminals are shot - Michael Brown, Freddie Grey, Keith Scott, Mario Woods, Stephon Clark. A veteran with mental health issues is not exactly somebody their core base of supporters can identify with.

Been a while since one of these bigoted BLM derail has appeared. I guess the therapy is not yet complete.

 

[laughing dog]

Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

And this explains his shooting because.....?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

Or he could be suffering from a mental health breakdown... but you know... whatever. Shoot first so the cop can go home and tell his family, the City might a little safer (or possibly just as safe as it was) now that a naked person was killed. #whateveryouneedtotellyourself

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Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

And this explains his shooting because.....?

Drugs! He was on drugs! Definitely on drugs. Overheated because of the drugs... and because of the drugs, he also becomes insensitive to pain, therefore, he didn't feel a thing when he bled out and died... or maybe he did, but that would only be if he wasn't on drugs, but you know... drugs!

 

[repoman]

Should police still be walking the beat at 56 years of age?

If you wouldn't be hired (today) as a bouncer for a rough club you have no business being a cop.

 

[Toni]

But not because he was naked and black. Rather, people on drugs such as PCP often do strip their clothes off, and they can exhibit "superhuman" (in the sense of more than a human body normally produces, not in the Marvel superhero sense) strength and imperviousness to pain, rendering tasers relatively ineffective for example.


How do you figure? Vast majority of blacks get arrested without getting shot too.

The statistics show this, and individual cases disprove the various rationalizations certain people use to try and excuse the fact that American police often kill people just because they're are from certain races. In fact many are willing to make incredibly flimsy arguments to make sure none of this changes, although I'm not going to speculate on why they would do such a thing.

Statistics do not show that, because the activists pushing them adjust on population shares instead of based on police interactions. Since black people commit more crimes and thus get arrested more often, the baseline will be different than population shares.

But I'm not going to call this an example of racism, because that would trigger half the board and start crying fits.

It's that there is zero evidence that racism was involved. Not every time a black person is killed is it due to racism,.

Now, I would say Olson did make mistakes when responding to this incident. However, the DeKalb DA grossly overcharged him - this comes nowhere near first degree murder.

Also, there were hardly any protests and no riots. I guess #BlackLivesMatter reserves those for when real criminals are shot - Michael Brown, Freddie Grey, Keith Scott, Mario Woods, Stephon Clark. A veteran with mental health issues is not exactly somebody their core base of supporters can identify with.

Black people do not commit more crimes than do white people.

The rest of your post is similarly not based in fact or reality.

 

[bilby]

Or he could be suffering from a mental health breakdown... but you know... whatever. Shoot first so the cop can go home and tell his family, the City might a little safer (or possibly just as safe as it was) now that a naked person was killed. #whateveryouneedtotellyourself

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And this explains his shooting because.....?

Drugs! He was on drugs! Definitely on drugs. Overheated because of the drugs... and because of the drugs, he also becomes insensitive to pain, therefore, he didn't feel a thing when he bled out and died... or maybe he did, but that would only be if he wasn't on drugs, but you know... drugs!

Next you'll be trying to tell us that drug use isn't a capital crime.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

And this explains his shooting because.....?

People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Black people do not commit more crimes than do white people.

The rest of your post is similarly not based in fact or reality.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....f_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Murders by whites and murders by blacks are about the same. (Unknown is a small enough slice of the pie we can ignore it.)

Only there are a lot more whites than blacks, the murder rate per capita is far higher for blacks.

(I picked murder because it has a high clearance rate and thus fewer unknowns to muddy the picture.)

And more data:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

 

[Emily Lake]

Something to understand here:

Walking around naked and being aggressive is a strong suggestion of drugs. And while they don't make you superhuman they make you rather insensitive to pain. Unless you're much stronger than they are you're probably going to lose hand-to-hand.


(What's going on is the drugs cause you to overheat--thus the nudity.)

And this explains his shooting because.....?

People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

What the hell? At what point, and on what evidence, did you conclude that he was probably on PCP? You really seem to sort through a variety of possibilities and select the one that allows you to paint the dead person in as negative a light as you can... and then you treat that one possibility as if it is the only reasonable possible and you discard all others.

 

[laughing dog]

People with that level of likely-PCP are dangerous. Non-lethal techniques do not work to stop them.

If you had actually read the cited article, you would read

Olsen attorney Amanda Clark Palmer told the judge Olsen had been told the person was naked and "possibly demented." Based on his training, that could mean Hill was experiencing "excited delirium," which can cause a person to exhibit superhuman strength and endurance, and be impervious to pain, she said.

As he drove into the apartment complex, Olsen looked between two buildings and saw Hill crouching nude in a roadway, he testified. Olsen rounded a bend until he was facing Hill, who jumped to his feet and sprinted toward the patrol car, Olsen testified.

Olsen drew his gun as he got out of his car and yelled, "Stop! Stop!" Hill didn't stop, and Olsen shot him "maybe a second" after giving the order, Olsen testified.

The officer did not think the victim was on PCP. So, your entire argument is a based on a figment of your imagination.

According to his own testimony, Olsen gave the victim "maybe a second" to comply with his order before he opened fire on someone.

So, you are going to have to make up another excuse to justify this shooting.

 

[Derec]

Should police still be walking the beat at 56 years of age?

If you wouldn't be hired (today) as a bouncer for a rough club you have no business being a cop.

That's a good point. Another is that cops should be going out in pairs, two to a patrol car.

 

[Derec]

Black people do not commit more crimes than do white people.

Per capita they clearly do.
Look at FBI Uniform Crime Report.
Focus particularly on the percentage column. Blacks are ~13% of US population, but in almost all crime categories they contribute to more than 13% of crimes (DUI being the only exception). Homicides and robberies are especially disproportionate, with more than 50% of those crimes committed by blacks. Note that violent crimes will lead to suspects getting shot more often than non-violent crimes. Overall, blacks commit 28% of crimes, which is about twice as one would expect from population share.

More crimes means more police interactions and arrests, which means more opportunities for things to go south. Therefore, police interactions, and not population share, should be used to determine whether blacks are shot disproportionately often.

The rest of your post is similarly not based in fact or reality.

You are as wrong about the rest of my post as you were about the crime rate.

 

[Toni]

Black people do not commit more crimes than do white people.

Per capita they clearly do.
Look at FBI Uniform Crime Report.
Focus particularly on the percentage column. Blacks are ~13% of US population, but in almost all crime categories they contribute to more than 13% of crimes (DUI being the only exception). Homicides and robberies are especially disproportionate, with more than 50% of those crimes committed by blacks. Note that violent crimes will lead to suspects getting shot more often than non-violent crimes. Overall, blacks commit 28% of crimes, which is about twice as one would expect from population share.

More crimes means more police interactions and arrests, which means more opportunities for things to go south. Therefore, police interactions, and not population share, should be used to determine whether blacks are shot disproportionately often.

The rest of your post is similarly not based in fact or reality.

You are as wrong about the rest of my post as you were about the crime rate.

I was responding specifically to your post which stated the following:

Since black people commit more crimes and thus get arrested more often, the baseline will be different than population shares.

Whether black people are arrested more often because they commit more crimes is certainly debatable.


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