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Family maliciously beats 2 officers, no one shot

America rebelled from the British crown over much less than what African-Americans put up with on a daily basis.
 
America rebelled from the British crown over much less than what African-Americans put up with on a daily basis.

Black people have to pay excessive taxes on tea in your country!?! :eek:

Fuck you, Trump. That shit is uncalled for. :mad:
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

Actually, Loren, this is quite incorrect. Most police officers are quite aware that some of the most dangerous calls (for the police officers) are responding to domestic abuse complaints.

http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/officer-safety/Primary_Research_Final_11-0_updated_8_31_16.pdf

Check out the graph on p. 13. Officers responding to domestic incidents are far more likely to be killed than responding to burglaries, robberies, man with a gun or suspicious person or vehicle and are twice as likely to die responding to a domestic disturbance than a call for officer needing assistance and nearly twice as likely to die in a call to a domestic dispute than a generic disturbance.
 
None of the people arrested were seen to be holding cell phones.
 
It's not too late. The family is still in jail.

The cops can shoot them to satisfy the communities bloodlust and to avoid violence.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.
They were physically assaulted and one of them was in a choke hold. Sorry, but according to the police worshippers gospel, that entitled them to kill these people. For some reason, no one got shot. Hmmm.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.
They were physically assaulted and one of them was in a choke hold. Sorry, but according to the police worshippers gospel, that entitled them to kill these people. For some reason, no one got shot. Hmmm.

I was under the impression that a police officer's merely fearing the possibility of being assaulted, was sufficient grounds to kill someone.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.
Garage door closing, threat to life... actually assaulted... meh.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

In situations with black people you've made the argument the black person can grab the gun.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.
They were physically assaulted and one of them was in a choke hold. Sorry, but according to the police worshippers gospel, that entitled them to kill these people. For some reason, no one got shot. Hmmm.

I was under the impression that a police officer's merely fearing the possibility of being assaulted, was sufficient grounds to kill someone.

It would be very hard to recruit new police officers if they can get put into a choke hold but not be allowed to shoot their attackers.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

You really do seem to have an inability to view police-related matters objectively, and this appears to lead to a fairly large volume of contradictory posts on your part. Unlike many others, I don't assume that this is due to some inherent racism on your part (I suspect that's more a matter of selection bias in the articles and events discussed, as well as the framing of the OP).

I do, however, think that your innate response is to always assume that the cops are right, regardless of whether that assumption makes any sense, and regardless of whether that assumption leads to tacit acceptance of gross misconduct on the part of law enforcement.

Look - I've got a lot of military and police in my family. For the most part, I'm probably more accepting of an authoritarian approach than most people on TF. I have an innate respect for authority that I think is both reasonable and justified... but it has limits. And I recognize that not all authority is beneficial, and not all acting on the claim of authority do a good job of it. With authority comes responsibility, and it's our duty as citizens to be the guardians of that responsibility. When we see those in authority acting without responsibility, or in opposition to their responsibility, it is our duty to speak up. That's the price of them having authority in the first place.

And it's really, really, really hard to avoid seeing and acknowledging that there is racial bias in the system for law enforcement. It's not necessarily racism on the part of the individual officers - that's very rarely the case. But there is racial bias in how police interact with the public, and it results in highly disparate and unjust responses by those we've deemed the protectors of justice. As a citizen of the US, it is our duty and obligation to speak up against that systemic bias, to bring it to light, and in doing so preserve the appropriate authority of law enforcement.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

Actually, Loren, this is quite incorrect. Most police officers are quite aware that some of the most dangerous calls (for the police officers) are responding to domestic abuse complaints.

http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/officer-safety/Primary_Research_Final_11-0_updated_8_31_16.pdf

Check out the graph on p. 13. Officers responding to domestic incidents are far more likely to be killed than responding to burglaries, robberies, man with a gun or suspicious person or vehicle and are twice as likely to die responding to a domestic disturbance than a call for officer needing assistance and nearly twice as likely to die in a call to a domestic dispute than a generic disturbance.

Yes, domestics are dangerous for the cops.

What you need to understand is that it's misguided defense rather than offense. They're not out to hurt the cop, they're out to stop the cop (even when it's not in their best interest to stop the cop.) As such, if they go down it's not likely the people are going to do anything more to them.
 
I can't make sense of that. The last thing that goes through the cop's mind before he passes out from a choke hold is, "I'm sure he doesn't want to kill me. He just wants to stop me from doing my duty. I'll be fine once I'm unconscious" ??

We've argued about case after case where someone *might* have been threatening a cop--always from a distance, always from a *potentially* hidden gun--and when the person is killed the cop gets plenty of defenders. But in a case where a person is *actually* attacking a cop, we're told that the cop has no reason to be afraid.

But, I think its ironic that, in this case, if a cop was in a choke hold and used his or her gun to stop the attacker, I would no doubt be agreeing with Loren that the shooting was justified.
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

I am now convinced that you are just fucking with us.

Domestic disputes are among the most dangerous situations for police officers.

Some key findings from this report reveal that calls related to domestic disputes and domestic related incidents represented the highest number of fatal types of calls for service and were also the underlying cause of law enforcement fatalities for several other calls for service.

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http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/officer-safety/Primary_Research_Final_11-0_updated_8_31_16.pdf
 
I can't make sense of that. The last thing that goes through the cop's mind before he passes out from a choke hold is, "I'm sure he doesn't want to kill me. He just wants to stop me from doing my duty. I'll be fine once I'm unconscious" ??

Hmm... isn’t it part of the Zimmerman fairy tail that he was justified in murdering defending himself with a gun because he was on the verge of going unconscious?
 
Duh!

The police weren't the target here, they just got in the way of a domestic issue. As such, there's very little reason for them to fear for their lives.

I am now convinced that you are just fucking with us.

Domestic disputes are among the most dangerous situations for police officers.

Some key findings from this report reveal that calls related to domestic disputes and domestic related incidents represented the highest number of fatal types of calls for service and were also the underlying cause of law enforcement fatalities for several other calls for service.

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http://www.nleomf.org/assets/pdfs/officer-safety/Primary_Research_Final_11-0_updated_8_31_16.pdf

What you are showing is you missed my point.
 
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