Multiple casualties at Pittsburgh synagogue - Shooter says "All these Jews need to die"

[Tigers!]

The fact that three pre-prepared policemen were injured gives the lie to an on-premises guard being anything other than the first death utterly risible.

What does 3 pre-prepared policeman mean? Were they on site before the shooting or arrived after the shooting?
The article did not seem to make that clear.

 

[Ford]

...The idea that you're pushing - that a "good guy with a gun" on the scene is a fool proof deterrent and/or magical solution - is demonstrably bullshit.....

Apparently I've joined the anti-gun far Left. Who knew?

Are you denying you made two false accusations against me? As for you being anti-gun...

Maybe you should go out on the road and fight the Toecutter, Bronze...

 

[RavenSky]

Here's the basic premise: It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

Except... you are wrong.

On April 4, 2009, a shootout occurred at 1016 Fairfield Street in the Stanton Heights neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States... At approximately 7:11 a.m. EDT, 22-year-old Richard Poplawski opened fire on two Pittsburgh Police officers responding to a 9-1-1 call from Poplawski's mother... Three police officers were ultimately confirmed dead, and another two were seriously injured.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Do you think Robert Bowers should have had an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle and multiple handguns? Or no?

I don't know. Did he have mental health problems? Is so, then no. Was he a criminal? If so, then no.

Now, do you think millions of innocent, law-abiding Americans should be denied having "an AR-15 style semi-automatic rifle and multiple handguns" because of what they might do? Reflect on that idea for a moment. Take your time.

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Here's the basic premise: It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

Except... you are wrong....

A point we can agree to disagree upon, but an expected reply from someone who is anti-gun.

 

[RavenSky]

It would be better if no one had a gun. It turns out they get used to kill people. Australia used to have gun violence. Not so much nowadays.

I don't know if you are aware, but apparently saying "shooting other people is bad" makes you a radical leftist.

Not just "left", but FAR left

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Are you denying you made two false accusations against me? As for you being anti-gun...

Maybe you should go out on the road and fight the Toecutter, Bronze...

Translation: You're right, Max.

Nice dodge. Who is Toecutter and Bronze? I was a Behavioral Psych major in college. One of the big draws to political forums for me are the "eccentric" personalities on them. Most, I suspect, are shut-ins; either due to age or mental fitness.

 

[Ford]

Are you denying you made two false accusations against me? As for you being anti-gun...

Maybe you should go out on the road and fight the Toecutter, Bronze...

Translation: You're right, Max.

Nice dodge. Who is Toecutter and Bronze?

"We remember the Night Rider!"

 

[Patooka]

Here's the basic premise: It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it. Feel free to lie, spin or do whatever you like to hate on that idea.

Don't mind if I do: It's better for school kids to have fentanyl and not need it than need it and not have it. See how fucking moronic that statement is? It's a controlled regulated item for a very fucking good reason.

And for the last fucking time, gun control is not gun elimination. It means providing regulations to minimize risk. I don't have a problem with a 12-gauge in the house for protection. I have yet to hear a believable explanation why you must own hardware superior than what was used to storm the beaches on Normandy like the AR-15 or any AK analogue. Your day to day isn't that fucking stressful for crying out loud.

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Translation: You're right, Max.

Nice dodge. Who is Toecutter and Bronze?

"We remember the Night Rider!"

"That man is not the goose!"

 

[RavenSky]

I don't know. Did he have mental health problems? Is so, then no. Was he a criminal? If so, then no.

Ahhhh... finally an answer.

So that means you think you qualify to be the thought police?

On the one hand, you insist that Robert Bowers is a "bad guy with a gun". After all, anyone who would kill 11 innocent people, and injure dozens more including 4 police officers, inside a synagogue on a Saturday morning must be a "bad guy with a gun", right?

On the other hand, Robert Bowers does not have any sort of police record (apart from a traffic citation in 2015) nor any history of mental illness, but he does have an active gun license and has made at least six known firearm purchases since 1996. So... a "good guy with a gun".

Then again, he was clearly and virulently and publically anti-semitic. Do his thoughts make him a bad guy who should have been prevented from having a gun license and purchasing guns?

P.S. Having mental health issues does not make someone a "bad guy" - with or without a gun. But your immediate finger-pointing at mental health issues is typical gun-nut behavior.

 

[Testy Calibrate]

It would be better if no one had a gun. It turns out they get used to kill people. Australia used to have gun violence. Not so much nowadays.

It is absolutely forbidden to use statistics to make that argument. Same for Universal Health Care. Stick to platitudes, please.

My bad.

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It would be better if no one had a gun. It turns out they get used to kill people. Australia used to have gun violence. Not so much nowadays.

I don't know if you are aware, but apparently saying "shooting other people is bad" makes you a radical leftist.

I just woke to that inescapable fact

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

THis guy appears to be an actual Nazi. Problem is the impact of that word has faded dramatically due to all of the pointing and stammering "Nazi" at anyone and everyone the illiberal left disagrees with.

Well, there are actually nazis in charge atm

No, you don't. Would you like it to? You could.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

THis guy appears to be an actual Nazi. Problem is the impact of that word has faded dramatically due to all of the pointing and stammering "Nazi" at anyone and everyone the illiberal left disagrees with.

Well, there are actually nazis in charge atm

No, you don't. Would you like it to? You could.

*coughs and points out the use of the word 'feminazi'*

Not to mention people claiming Nazis were leftists, implying leftism is responsible for Nazis. Or some more crazy shit Trump Jr. said.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

No, you don't. Would you like it to? You could.

*coughs and points out the use of the word 'feminazi'*

Sure, that's one example.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Yeah... like military bases

And a military base doesn't even have all the blacks segregated, jews segregated, muslims segregated into clusters where it's easy to kill a lot of your favorite enemies...
A religious establishment makes it much easier. And still, military bases get hit... go figure.

When was the last time a military base got "hit"? Short answer: 9 years ago. Much easier for nutjobs to "hit" churches and "gun free zones".

Military bases are actually pretty close to gun free zones--lots of guns that are locked up, not lots of people who are armed. They don't get hit much because most people don't realize that and because in general you can't just walk into a military base--the shooters don't have access unless they're already there and most crazies are going to be kicked out well before reaching the point of rampage.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You know that was sarcasm, right?

You know that text is a very poor form of communication since it lacks inflection, body language, tone and other cues used in normal human conversation so things like jokes and sarcasm don't carry well without an emoji to indicate such things.

As it is, if someone had a gun, the murderer may have been stopped long before the police showed up. Do you agree or disagree?

Disagree. The presence of a "good guy with a gun" doesn't cause shooters to turn tail and run.

Nope--most mass shootings end when the shooter is faced with meaningful resistance even if they aren't actually stopped by it. This may be the police. It may be an armed person at the scene. It might even be unarmed people at the scene.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

Disagree. The presence of a "good guy with a gun" doesn't cause shooters to turn tail and run.

Nope--most mass shootings end when the shooter is faced with meaningful resistance even if they aren't actually stopped by it. This may be the police. It may be an armed person at the scene. It might even be unarmed people at the scene.

Agreed. The Texas art exhibit attack is one example, the Paris train terrorist attack is another.

 

[JohnG]

Disagree. The presence of a "good guy with a gun" doesn't cause shooters to turn tail and run.

Nope--most mass shootings end when the shooter is faced with meaningful resistance even if they aren't actually stopped by it. This may be the police. It may be an armed person at the scene. It might even be unarmed people at the scene.

Agreed. The Texas art exhibit attack is one example, the Paris train terrorist attack is another.

Cripes - you know you have a gun problem if the solution being discussed is arming people in schools and churches.

Dystopia

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

This is without a doubt a consequence of trumpenfuehrer being in power. Trumpo is to blame.

Agreed, but, admit it, aren't you secretly relishing the fact a bunch of religious believers were killed and shot? After all, you spread hate against the religious just as much as Trump spreads hate against others, right?

The assumption that non-believers must hate believers and rejoice in their deaths is generally incorrect in my experience. I know that some do, but they are a small minority so far as I can tell.

 

[Thumpalumpacus]

And don't ever forget that it's the general climate of hate and fear that arrived overnight with the orange nazi that enables scum like this.

I disagree. I do think Trump's election has caused bigots and radicals to be more open about their bullshit, but this polarization into loud, radical factions has been going on for at least ten years.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

And don't ever forget that it's the general climate of hate and fear that arrived overnight with the orange nazi that enables scum like this.

I disagree. I do think Trump's election has caused bigots and radicals to be more open about their bullshit, but this polarization into loud, radical factions has been going on for at least ten years.

I think part of the problem is being fervently supportive of any president. That's when it starts to be hero worship which is just sad and pathetic bullshit. It basically becomes a political cult.