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Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

I think you're right. And, this is why some of. us were hesitant to support impeachment. The good news is that the latest polls suggest that 58% of American now support impeachment and 49% support Trump's removal from office. Things are changing quickly so maybe there is hope. I hope.
Independents are the first domino, which then hopefully ends with the Senate GOP toppling. But we just don't know.

I like the action.

Hopefully the dems aren't looking too far ahead, which can be overwhelming. Just keep turning pages, doesn't matter how thick the book is, the last page is going to get read eventually so keep reading. Lots of chapters to go.
 
Independents are the first domino, which then hopefully ends with the Senate GOP toppling. But we just don't know.

Kind of like waiting for the Browns to win.

I like the action.

Hopefully the dems aren't looking too far ahead, which can be overwhelming. Just keep turning pages, doesn't matter how thick the book is, the last page is going to get read eventually so keep reading. Lots of chapters to go.

They need to follow through. After that embarrassing Lewandowski hearing, they need to start holding people in contempt.
 
Independents are the first domino, which then hopefully ends with the Senate GOP toppling. But we just don't know.

Kind of like waiting for the Browns to win.
Browns finishing 8-8 this year would be a solid rebuilding year. People in NE Ohio were delusional about The Browns this year. Funny thing is they are still well in the hunt for the AFC North title. Regardless, Independents support the inquiry at 57% in the latest Washington Post poll.
 
Independents are the first domino, which then hopefully ends with the Senate GOP toppling. But we just don't know.

Kind of like waiting for the Browns to win.

I like the action.

Hopefully the dems aren't looking too far ahead, which can be overwhelming. Just keep turning pages, doesn't matter how thick the book is, the last page is going to get read eventually so keep reading. Lots of chapters to go.

They need to follow through. After that embarrassing Lewandowski hearing, they need to start holding people in contempt.

they need a uniformed guard standing by with orders to detain anyone that is declared in contempt. Contempt has no sentence... you sit in a cell until you are ready to answer the question to the satisfaction of the Chair. "I don't know" is an answer... but fake executive privilege is not.
 
Quid Pro Quo

So after (several hours) the Ukrainian Ambassador texts his discomfort with the deal the Exec branch was moving forward with Ukraine, Sondland responds that the President insists this isn't a Quid Pro Quo. Before that text response, Sondland talked to Trump. This is the thing, the deal was quacking, it was waddling, it has feathers and a bill. Sondland insisting that the President says 'it ain't a duck' doesn't carry much water. The fact the US Ambassador to Ukraine was saying he was uncomfortable about the duck speaks volumes.

Sondland: Alright, we are moving ahead on the feathery fowls.
Taylor: I'm not a fan of ducks.
*jeopardy music loop for hours*
Sondland: President is clear in saying 'it isn't a duck'. I suggest we stop piling on the incriminating evidence and talk over the phone. Lisa is well informed on fowl.
 
Kind of like waiting for the Browns to win.



They need to follow through. After that embarrassing Lewandowski hearing, they need to start holding people in contempt.

they need a uniformed guard standing by with orders to detain anyone that is declared in contempt. Contempt has no sentence... you sit in a cell until you are ready to answer the question to the satisfaction of the Chair. "I don't know" is an answer... but fake executive privilege is not.

Yeah, the office of the president is not being impeached, Donald Trump is. If Congress claims Donald Trump is not fit to hold the office, he (they) shouldn’t enjoy a privilege of that office using it to hinder the investigation.
 
The article refers to how ideologies responded. 57% of independents support the inquiry (49% support removing Trump from office!). That is a big number!

True. There's a crucial difference between "I disapprove of the job the President is doing," and "Put him on trial".
 
Well, this is interesting:

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90% of Independents disapprove of most or everything Trump does as do 76% of Republicans.

And this from today's US News & World Report (emphasis mine):

As recently as Sept. 25, right after the Ukraine story broke, a Quinnipiac University poll found that 37% of the public supported impeachment and removal from office and 57% disapproved.

The poll shows both a partisan and gender divide, with women and Democrats more likely to favor impeachment proceedings. But the poll also shows some cracks developing in what has been Trump's cement-like base of support.

A fourth of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents support an impeachment inquiry, and that number grows to 40% when asked of Republican-leaning adults aged 18-39. More than 8 in 10 Democrats support and inquiry, and nearly 8 in 10 support an impeachment vote to remove him from office.

There has been movement across the ideological spectrum. Compared to the Washington Post/ABC July poll, support for an impeachment inquiry rose by 25 percentage points among Democrats, 21 percentage points among Republicans and 20 points among independents.

The noose tightens.
 
Well, this is interesting:

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90% of Independents disapprove of most or everything Trump does as do 76% of Republicans.
You are misreading that. Among Independents that said they disapprove of President Trump, 45% were against all of it, 45% were against most of it. That is NOT to be mistaken that 90% of Independents disagree with Trump!
 
Well, this is interesting:

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90% of Independents disapprove of most or everything Trump does as do 76% of Republicans.
You are misreading that. Among Independents that said they disapprove of President Trump, 45% were against all of it, 45% were against most of it. That is NOT to be mistaken that 90% of Independents disagree with Trump!

Ah, yes. I didn't see that. Regardless, the US News & World Report numbers are still encouraging.
 
*Grabs popcorn*

You all realize that the Democrats don't expect removal from office. What they want is to make this an issue so that they can talk about it during the general election. Their hope is that if they make this an issue it will give some sort of boost to Biden or Warren.

You might be right. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, but I don't believe that the dems will win in 2020. And I've come to the conclusion that Trump is just too dangerous to remain as President. I'd rather have Pence. And I believe that Trump's crimes are serious enough that enough republicans will come around and agree. Having said that, Pence will be horrible! I think that the left is going to remain lost in the forest until we find an extremely charismatic candidate who can unite all the factions on the left and motivate them to vote.

Could the Dems savior be Pete Buttigieg’s Undeniable Allure
 
Are we going to discuss the impact of Trump refusing to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry? I just saw a piece on MSNBC of Trey Gowdy screaming that nobody has the right to deny Congress information when requested. How hypocritical can these people be? And, as you probably know Gowdy is planning on becoming one of Trump's lawyers. WTF!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/gordon-sondland-key-us-official-in-political-storm-over-ukraine-to-be-deposed-in-impeachment-inquiry/2019/10/07/c3c1703e-e942-11e9-9306-47cb0324fd44_story.html

The White House on Tuesday said it would not cooperate with the House’s impeachment inquiry of President Trump, arguing that the probe “violates the Constitution, the rule of law, and every past precedent” in an escalating standoff with an unbowed Congress.

In a scathing eight-page letter, the White House said the inquiry into the Ukraine scandal was without merit, complained that the president has been denied his due process rights and argued that Democrats were intent on overturning the results of the 2016 election and influencing the 2020 contest.

“To fulfill his duties to the American people, the Constitution, the executive branch, and all future occupants of the Office of the presidency, President Trump and his administration cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances,” White House counsel Pat A. Cipollone wrote to top congressional Democrats.

What now?
 
We seems to be at the crossroads of crisis of Constitutional proportions, ya hear.

The question is, how does Congress enforce the subpoena (I spelled it right for the first time in my life!). Government only works when it can enforce its rules or judgments. And Trump is setting an extremely dangerous precedent here for what the Executive Branch can do.

And again, the ball in the Senate GOP's court.
 
Frankly I think the Jeffersonian solution would be another revolution. A government in which multiple branches are conspiring to destroy the Constitution is unlikely to go anywhere good.
 
The GOP probably wishes this would just blow over and fade away. But rather the opposite is happening. Trump is just getting more and more extreme. And that may be his own undoing. This may just get to the point where this gets so bad even the GOP controlled Senate must impeach. Resigned to just getting this over with in face of public support for impeachment as Trump gets more unhinged and refuses to cooperate. Experts point out the same thing happened to Nixon. There was not majority support for impeachment and then, all of a sudden it was like a dam had broken. And there was and Nixon realized the jig was up. And resigned. Trump seems to be arguing he is above all law and legal restraint. Like Nixon. "Well, when the president does something it means it wasn't illegal". - Nixon.

Polls for impeachment are rising. Trump is not winning this. As it gets more obvious Trump is unhinged and guilty of obstruction, the more the GOP has to risk long term in toadying for him and resisting impeachment.
 
The GOP probably wishes this would just blow over and fade away. But rather the opposite is happening. Trump is just getting more and more extreme. And that may be his own undoing. This may just get to the point where this gets so bad even the GOP controlled Senate must impeach. Resigned to just getting this over with in face of public support for impeachment as Trump gets more unhinged and refuses to cooperate. Experts point out the same thing happened to Nixon. There was not majority support for impeachment and then, all of a sudden it was like a dam had broken. And there was and Nixon realized the jig was up. And resigned. Trump seems to be arguing he is above all law and legal restraint. Like Nixon. "Well, when the president does something it means it wasn't illegal". - Nixon.

Polls for impeachment are rising. Trump is not winning this. As it gets more obvious Trump is unhinged and guilty of obstruction, the more the GOP has to risk long term in toadying for him and resisting impeachment.

Trump will never resign.
 
Trump will never resign.
Trump certainly does have the non-Nixonian complication... state based crimes. They pardoned Nixon. They can only pardon Trump so much. A Trump outside the White House is vulnerable to state incarceration.
 
President Ellipsis (my underline emphasis) said:
...The Whistleblower and others spoke BEFORE seeing the Transcript. Now they must apologize to me and stop this ridiculous impeachment!
So we have the crimes and unethical acts he has committed. And we have the 25th Amendment acts he has committed.

How many more Americans must strain their eyeballs from over rolling them before the GOP gets off their ass and acts?!
 
President Ellipsis (my underline emphasis) said:
...The Whistleblower and others spoke BEFORE seeing the Transcript. Now they must apologize to me and stop this ridiculous impeachment!
So we have the crimes and unethical acts he has committed. And we have the 25th Amendment acts he has committed.

How many more Americans must strain their eyeballs from over rolling them before the GOP gets off their ass and acts?!

"The cheese has departed his cracker." - Bob Cesca
 
We essentially are in a Constitution-free era, courtesy the GOP. Donald the First has crafted his kingdom after two and a half years of trial and error. He now rules by edict. It is, though, an era which could fall unexpectedly if the leaks keep leaking and the numbers keep rising to impeach. Our Emperor better be designing a paprachute.
 
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