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Polls of the Presidential Race

I need to make one clarification. Yes, it is true that I'm not a Branch Covidian. That doesn't mean I think the virus doesn't exist. It means I think, based on actual mortality rates, that it is completely overblown.

It also means you have no idea what you are talking about..

Reall Karen.

Google right now states we have 6.03M cases and 183k deaths. The US population is 331M. That means cases are 1.8% of the population and deaths are 0.055% of the population.

By the same logic, essentially no Americans died in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, on 9/11, of the Spanish Influenza, or in car crashes.

All of those things are completely trivial, and far too much fuss was made about all of them.

Using your own figures above, you have 183k deaths after only 6.03M infections, implying that once all 331M Americans are infected, you'll have had ten million deaths. If you honestly think that's trivial, then I don't know what further excuses you have for claiming to be human, never mind humane.
 
Reall Karen.

Google right now states we have 6.03M cases and 183k deaths. The US population is 331M. That means cases are 1.8% of the population and deaths are 0.055% of the population.

By the same logic, essentially no Americans died in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, on 9/11, of the Spanish Influenza, or in car crashes.

No, not really.
 
Getting back on topic......


https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/01/battleground-presidential-polling-post-conventions/

Amid unrest in Kenosha, Wis., Biden leads Trump by 9 points, 52% to 43%.

Nationally, President Trump trails Joe Biden by 8 points among likely voters — identical to a poll conducted before the Democratic National Convention earlier this month.

Biden saw his favorability improve to 51% after conventions concluded, while 55% continue to view Trump unfavorably.

Despite two weeks of party conventions and amid civil unrest prompted by the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wis., the state of the race between President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden stands largely unchanged from its pre-convention numbers in some of the country’s most-contested states — with the notable exception of Arizona.

While Biden was trailing the president in the Southwestern battleground by 2 percentage points in an Aug. 7-16 Morning Consult poll conducted before the Aug. 17 start of the Democratic National Convention, the former vice president has improved his margin over Trump by 12 points.

According to the Aug. 21-30 survey of 943 likely Arizona voters, which has a 3-point margin of error, Biden leads Trump, 52 percent to 42 percent, driven by a 10-point increase in support among Arizona men, statistically tying him with Trump (49 percent to 45 percent), and a 7-point increase in support with suburban Arizonans, who now favor Biden by 9 points, 51 percent to 42 percent. He also leads among women (55 percent to 40 percent) and independents (51 percent to 37 percent) in the state.

If you bother to click on the link, you will see the latest results in many swing states. Biden has actually gained a couple of points in my state post convention, which now has him leading Trump in Georgia by 3 points. That is still within the margin of error, but I'm talking about Georgia, which is gradually been turning blue over the past several years.

Biden is out on the trail now. He gave a great speech in Pittsburg yesterday. No time to be complacent, but things are looking somewhat optimistic.
 
And, sadly, more of the White people in my area are putting out their Trump signs. Since the demographics in my area have changed a lot over the past 4 years, I do wonder what my Black neighbors are thinking knowing they are living in close proximity to so many people who support a racist asshole.

Perhaps you can ask one of the 19% of black people who plan to vote for Trump, or one of the 22% who approve of his performance, why they support a racist asshole.
 
Just remember that phrase when Jason posts in the future. He pretends not to be a conservative, but how many non-conservatives would say the above?

Lots, but you wouldn't notice that.

Oh, sorry forgot to count the non-conservative crackpots. So which is it Jason, conservative or crackpot?

So I was told that your candidate is great on dealing with Covid, which presumably means he is not a Branch Covidian who insists on the holy face cloth.

I guess that is what passes for humor in Conservolibertarian/Crackpot science denier circles.

For those of us who prefer to follow the science:
Use of Masks to Help Slow the Spread of COVID-19

Joe Biden would follow the science. I can see why you want to make sure your vote helps to re-elect Trump, however, given that he is a crackpot science denier.

Also you failed to respond to what I wrote was my biggest selling point, but that's because you know where the candidates stand on that issue.

Oh no, I definitely responded to your biggest selling point:
this mask and shutdown nonsense
 
The above quote targeted Jason's Covid denialism. but the context-giving inner quote disappeared when I clicked Reply with Quote. Do I have something misconfigured?

Probably not. The quote functionality can be a bit flaky at times. For that reason I usually have two windows open when replying to lengthy posts, so I can more easily add missing quotes back in.
 
And, sadly, more of the White people in my area are putting out their Trump signs. Since the demographics in my area have changed a lot over the past 4 years, I do wonder what my Black neighbors are thinking knowing they are living in close proximity to so many people who support a racist asshole.

Perhaps you can ask one of the 19% of black people who plan to vote for Trump, or one of the 22% who approve of his performance, why they support a racist asshole.
Then can we ask Republicans like John Kasich why he doesn't? Personally, I don't think Trump is a racist. He is a too narcissistic to give a damn about other people. But he sure the heck is blowing every racist dog whistle out there, especially with the suburban invasion crap. Check up on this to get some historical perspective of the US History.
 
Getting back on topic......


https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/01/battleground-presidential-polling-post-conventions/

Amid unrest in Kenosha, Wis., Biden leads Trump by 9 points, 52% to 43%.

Nationally, President Trump trails Joe Biden by 8 points among likely voters — identical to a poll conducted before the Democratic National Convention earlier this month.

Biden saw his favorability improve to 51% after conventions concluded, while 55% continue to view Trump unfavorably.

Despite two weeks of party conventions and amid civil unrest prompted by the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wis., the state of the race between President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden stands largely unchanged from its pre-convention numbers in some of the country’s most-contested states — with the notable exception of Arizona.

While Biden was trailing the president in the Southwestern battleground by 2 percentage points in an Aug. 7-16 Morning Consult poll conducted before the Aug. 17 start of the Democratic National Convention, the former vice president has improved his margin over Trump by 12 points.

According to the Aug. 21-30 survey of 943 likely Arizona voters, which has a 3-point margin of error, Biden leads Trump, 52 percent to 42 percent, driven by a 10-point increase in support among Arizona men, statistically tying him with Trump (49 percent to 45 percent), and a 7-point increase in support with suburban Arizonans, who now favor Biden by 9 points, 51 percent to 42 percent. He also leads among women (55 percent to 40 percent) and independents (51 percent to 37 percent) in the state.

If you bother to click on the link, you will see the latest results in many swing states. Biden has actually gained a couple of points in my state post convention, which now has him leading Trump in Georgia by 3 points. That is still within the margin of error, but I'm talking about Georgia, which is gradually been turning blue over the past several years.

Biden is out on the trail now. He gave a great speech in Pittsburg yesterday. No time to be complacent, but things are looking somewhat optimistic.
Georgia smorgia. I think the thing that means the most at the moment is that Biden is an average of about polling 50% in MI and WI and 49% in PA. When looking at WI, MI, PA in 2016, Clinton was leading but well under 50%, closer to 43 to 45%. Biden needs less than 1% in each of those states. The polls are showing that improvement.

Georgia is going to be weird. This election looks like it'll be local. Local didn't cut it for WI, MI, and PA in 2016. But does it cut it in 2020 in GA? Can GA Democrats convince Georgians to vote for Democrats for Senate? I would guess it would be more likely than a guy from Delaware making the pitch.
 
I need to make one clarification. Yes, it is true that I'm not a Branch Covidian. That doesn't mean I think the virus doesn't exist. It means I think, based on actual mortality rates, that it is completely overblown.

It also means you have no idea what you are talking about..
Also, if mortality rate is the only thing one considers, that's a bit...well, idiotic. COVID has about the same mortality rate as polio, which I'm pretty sure has been pointed out more than once here. It has several well documented other effects, but we don't know yet how long term (possibly permanent) they might be. The fact that many people like JH here seem willing to take that chance with other people's health shows that they shouldn't really be allowed to be members of this society.

I don't care if they want to take that chance with their own health, I'm not about the nanny state, but it's like drunk driving. If we can't find a way to give drunk drivers their own lane, then the state has to act to protect everyone else.
 
I don't care if they want to take that chance with their own health, I'm not about the nanny state, but it's like drunk driving. If we can't find a way to give drunk drivers their own lane, then the state has to act to protect everyone else.

But such a small number of people die from drunk driving incidents that it clearly isn't worth it even bothering the police with checking or pulling people over. What a waste of resources. And clearly we shouldn't have helmet or seatbelt laws because such a small number of people die in any kind of car accident.

And fewer people die of lung cancer each year than have died from Covid so why are we even looking for a cure? Think of how much more productive we as a society would be if we didn't waste so much time and effort trying to keep everyone from dying. Most people don't die each year.
 
Think of how much more productive we as a society would be if we didn't waste so much time and effort trying to keep everyone from dying. Most people don't die each year.

That seems to be a pretty good summation of Libertarian philosophy to me, at least the brand preached by Jason around here.
 
Getting back on topic......


https://morningconsult.com/2020/09/01/battleground-presidential-polling-post-conventions/

Amid unrest in Kenosha, Wis., Biden leads Trump by 9 points, 52% to 43%.

Nationally, President Trump trails Joe Biden by 8 points among likely voters — identical to a poll conducted before the Democratic National Convention earlier this month.

Biden saw his favorability improve to 51% after conventions concluded, while 55% continue to view Trump unfavorably.

Despite two weeks of party conventions and amid civil unrest prompted by the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wis., the state of the race between President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden stands largely unchanged from its pre-convention numbers in some of the country’s most-contested states — with the notable exception of Arizona.

While Biden was trailing the president in the Southwestern battleground by 2 percentage points in an Aug. 7-16 Morning Consult poll conducted before the Aug. 17 start of the Democratic National Convention, the former vice president has improved his margin over Trump by 12 points.

According to the Aug. 21-30 survey of 943 likely Arizona voters, which has a 3-point margin of error, Biden leads Trump, 52 percent to 42 percent, driven by a 10-point increase in support among Arizona men, statistically tying him with Trump (49 percent to 45 percent), and a 7-point increase in support with suburban Arizonans, who now favor Biden by 9 points, 51 percent to 42 percent. He also leads among women (55 percent to 40 percent) and independents (51 percent to 37 percent) in the state.

If you bother to click on the link, you will see the latest results in many swing states. Biden has actually gained a couple of points in my state post convention, which now has him leading Trump in Georgia by 3 points. That is still within the margin of error, but I'm talking about Georgia, which is gradually been turning blue over the past several years.

Biden is out on the trail now. He gave a great speech in Pittsburg yesterday. No time to be complacent, but things are looking somewhat optimistic.
Georgia smorgia. I think the thing that means the most at the moment is that Biden is an average of about polling 50% in MI and WI and 49% in PA. When looking at WI, MI, PA in 2016, Clinton was leading but well under 50%, closer to 43 to 45%. Biden needs less than 1% in each of those states. The polls are showing that improvement.

Georgia is going to be weird. This election looks like it'll be local. Local didn't cut it for WI, MI, and PA in 2016. But does it cut it in 2020 in GA? Can GA Democrats convince Georgians to vote for Democrats for Senate? I would guess it would be more likely than a guy from Delaware making the pitch.

Supposedly, Ossoff is in a statistical tie with Purdue right now in Georgia, but I'm highly skeptical that Ossoff can beat Purdue. He does have some great commercials though, if such things ever matter. I voted for a much more experienced female during the primaries. She was mayor a large city who was very popular, but Ossoff probably won due to name recognition. I've had so many friends ask me who to vote for in the primaries. Some voted for whoever I told them to vote for. It's really not that hard to look people's records and experience online, but for some reason, a lot of voters don't bother to do that.

The other Georgia Senate race is a special election to finish out the term of Johnny Isakson. I seriously doubt the Dems will win that one because there are so many Dems, and independents running against two Republicans. My guess is that there will be a run off between the two Republicans as the vote will be so split among the other candidates. I don't like Warnock, the preacher who Abrams endorsed, so I won't vote for him unless he ends up being in a run off. I prefer Tarver, a man who has lots of political experience and worked in the Obama Administration.

I read yesterday that only 27% of Georgians intend to vote on Election Day, with 30% planning to vote by mail and 33% planning to vote early. At least we have three full weeks to vote. I guess the rest are undecided as to how they will vote.

I have not seen a poll that said that 19% of Black Americans support Trump, so I think the poll that Metaphor listed is an outlier. I have seen a poll that said that 13% of Black men support Trump, but a much lower number of Black females do. In Georgia, I think Black folks vote Republican about 5% of the time. I have discussed this with a few of my Black female friends. One of them calls me three times a week so we can discuss politics, racism and of course the things that women like to discuss like family matters etc. She told me that the president of her high school class was a Trump supporter, but he is the only Black male that she knows who supports Trump and quite frankly she is horrified about that.

I know a few of my Black neighbors and they aren't Trump supporters, so I doubt there are many Black Trump supporters in Georgia. Some Trump supporters are real assholes. My Biden supporting neighbor was scammed by a man who was supposed to do some work on her gutters. The man didn't do the job he was paid to do. When my neighbor complained to him, he threatened her and ended his threatening texts with Trump 2020 yay! She has a Biden sign in her yard and we tend to think that his behavior might have been due to that. He threatened her so much that she had to call the police and pay for a restraining order. Seriously. What kind of asshole does that to a 74 year old woman, or to anyone for that matter.


I live in a Black majority city, so of course, I know many Black folks personally. We all live peacefully in the suburbs. In fact, most of the folks who live closest to downtown are White these days. So much for Trump trying to scare suburban women. What year does he think this is anyway? 1955?
 
Think of how much more productive we as a society would be if we didn't waste so much time and effort trying to keep everyone from dying. Most people don't die each year.

That seems to be a pretty good summation of Libertarian philosophy to me, at least the brand preached by Jason around here.
And the GOP since...checks clock....March.
 
Reall Karen.

Google right now states we have 6.03M cases and 183k deaths. The US population is 331M. That means cases are 1.8% of the population and deaths are 0.055% of the population.

By the same logic, essentially no Americans died in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, on 9/11, of the Spanish Influenza, or in car crashes.

No, not really.

Yes, really.

The Vietnam War, for example, was no big deal. Most Americans weren't eligible for conscription; Most who were didn't get conscripted; Most who did didn't get killed. It was a complete nothingburger - according to the "logic" that divides deaths by the entire population, and takes no account of any possible future deaths, or of any ill effects that are not death.

By your "reasoning", no cause of death is ever going to be a big deal, unless it's a nuclear strike or meteor impact that kills almost everyone at a stroke.

In summary, your argument is awful, unreasonable, and illogical, and you should be deeply embarrassed to have ever made it.
 
I think Jason is really working hard to justify not getting that colonscopy, because only 53,000 die of Colon Cancer a year, which means what, just 0.016% of the population?
 
No, not really.

Yes, really.

The Vietnam War, for example, was no big deal. Most Americans weren't eligible for conscription; Most who were didn't get conscripted; Most who did didn't get killed. It was a complete nothingburger - according to the "logic" that divides deaths by the entire population, and takes no account of any possible future deaths, or of any ill effects that are not death.

By your "reasoning", no cause of death is ever going to be a big deal, unless it's a nuclear strike or meteor impact that kills almost everyone at a stroke.

In summary, your argument is awful, unreasonable, and illogical, and you should be deeply embarrassed to have ever made it.

Nevermind the strain on a country's medical infrastructure when an extra 6 million people get a respiratory illness in 6 months. Or that death and complete recovery aren't the only two outcomes of being exposed to this.
 
Put the eedjit in your ignore file. He can't be educated and he just trashes up threads with nonsense. All he is looking for is attention. "I owned a lib!".

OTOH, "Ms Jello" has a nice ring to it. :D

Please do not think that calling him female accelerates an insult.

We are not yiur punchline.
We are not the most pathetic thing a person can be.
Please stop that.
 
And, sadly, more of the White people in my area are putting out their Trump signs. Since the demographics in my area have changed a lot over the past 4 years, I do wonder what my Black neighbors are thinking knowing they are living in close proximity to so many people who support a racist asshole.

Perhaps you can ask one of the 19% of black people who plan to vote for Trump, or one of the 22% who approve of his performance, why they support a racist asshole.


Those people do baffle me. The people who embrace a party/ideology/religion that actively harms them.

I think about what ELSE is going on in their decision that drowns out the fact that the pary/religion has no respect for them.
I do get that sometimes these people are simply more concerned about another issue (anti-gay, anti-immigrant for example) and they just do not find any harm in beloging to a clubs that thinks they are scum.


It certainly is an interesting phenomenon.

But given the very low numbers, it appears most people look at larger pictures, not a tightly narrow cherry-picking of party features that they can support.

Well, except for the evangelicals, who, in rather vast numbers, embrace a party that stands for greed and coveting above all else. Perhaps assuring themselves that the potential theocracy that they crave will occur while they worship at the feet of the golden calf. That one is equally perplexing and even more so because of their percentage.
 
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